TampaRC

Wow I had no idea that captured so many planes..Jug, p-38, At6 and on and on. I guess they could not figure out how to operate the b17 and b24....crashed both.

Peter_OZ

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dear oh dear

it is a toy aeroplane

Peter_OZ

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get over it

far too much "gillard & brown" in our society. Maybe you should go beat up the Hindu culture from where I belive the symbol eminated from in the first place.

Oh and while your at it go and protest at the Japanese embassy, it still flies the "meat ball" symbol on their national flag, the same symbol they beheaded Australian, American and British troops as well as butchering near on a million Chinese.

When you do that then come and bleat about a swastika on a toy plane!!!

tosser!

Peter_OZ

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Going back to my days of studying modern history here...

National Socialist German Workers' Party or Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei abreviated to NSDAP, commonly known in English as the Nazi Party

the symbol has been around for a long, long time and has been used by many peoples of varying cultures. It is more of a cultural symbol then a politcal one. The Nazis used it for a mear heart beat in history



Below blurb is from wikpedia


The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with four arms bent at right angles.

The earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. Swastikas have also been used in various other ancient civilizations around the world. It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, primarily as a tantric symbol to evoke shakti or the sacred symbol of auspiciousness. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. The swastika literally means "to be good". Or another translation can be made: "swa" is "higher self", "asti" meaning "being", and "ka" as a suffix, so the translation can be interpreted as "being with higher self".

In East Asia, the swastika is a Chinese character, defined by Kangxi Dictionary, published in 1716, as "synonym of myriad, used mostly in Buddhist classic texts",[1] by extension, the word later evolved to represent eternity and Buddhism.

The symbol has a long history in Europe reaching back to antiquity. In modern times, following a brief surge of popularity in Western culture, a swastika was adopted as a symbol of the Nazi Party of Germany in 1920. The Nazis used the swastika as a symbol of the Aryan race. After Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, a right-facing and rotated swastika was incorporated into the Nazi party flag, which was made the state flag of Germany during Nazism. Hence, the swastika has become strongly associated with Nazism and related ideologies such as fascism and white supremacism in the Western world and is now largely stigmatized there. Notably, it has been outlawed in Germany and other countries if used as a symbol of Nazism. Many modern political extremists and Neo-Nazi groups such as the Russian National Unity use stylized swastikas or similar symbols.

TSHARK203

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No they used the captured B-17s against us in some cases quite effectively. They would fly them up at the rear of the bomber stream and shoot down stragglers. Check out the captured B-17 called the wolfhound.
As for the other topic if we go by our Aussie friends logic no flag any where should be flying. How many aboriginal people were killed under the Australian flag. Or under the British flag in other countries. Some country has always done something to someone else in the name of god and country.
George

acdii

They used the B-17 in original markings to sneak into the formation to give altitude and speed for the flak gunners, then they would skoot out just before the guns opened up.  They eventually got caught and got shot down by our B-17's.

John Sohm

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TampaRC, Squadron Signal published two volumes regarding captured allied planes. The title was Strangers In A Strange Land. I checked Amazon and they are available should you be interested in other examples. I have volume 1 but not the second volume, and I found it interesting to read. Below are pictures of the covers for both books:

oian

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I have a couple of books on vintage sailplanes and some of the German sailplanes of the period have the swastikas visibly airbrushed out of the photo. I believe that the depiction of the swastika in Germany, even to this day, is illegal, even on a scale model aircraft. It appears to be a European thing. I don't believe the same restrictions are in effect in Japan for the "rising sun". I think it may be time to "get over it" the problem was the party behind the symbol (which in reality pre-dated the Nazi party by many years) not the insignia. What is one to do on a scale model? Possibly replace the swastika with a ?? It's a scale model folks, Maybe we should ban the modeling of German (and Japanese) aircraft of that era as they are just as symbolic of the period.

Time to get over the past (not forget that it happened) and get a life.

John

3136

Hey mate, we are not all silly buggers, michaelj878 does not speak for Australia and certainly not me, I'll keep flying my Stuka and 109 with their swastika's

Regards Mark

PS no aboriginals were killed under the Australian flag, we only federated in 1901 (that's when we got that flag). before then we were separate states run by a govenor from England.
Most of the killings were done by British redcoats early in the settlement. Don't you just love the Brits?

rcmichael

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I believe that a scale model should be just like the original, markings and all. That being said I build scale models of allied aircraft in part to commemorate the brave men that went to war to preserve our freedom. I won't commemorate those that were trying to kill off the free world. Their legacy should only be remembered to avoid ever being in that situation again.

perttime

Not even European.
Germany has laws about it. If you checked the German http://www.luftarchiv.de site (linked some posts ago), you'll see that they have photos with swastikas. They do make it pretty clear that they are not showing the symbol as a political statement but as part of accurate historical documents.

If you look carefully, you might find swastika-like symbols in use, in Governmental contexts, in one or more European countries now.

colmo-RCU

Well, I don't see anyone crying about modelling the Enola Gay, that killed in one flight more people than ALL the P51's, spitfires and FW190's together. Or would you blame the plane and not the people? By the way, all that freedom stuff is just propaganda, history books are written by the winners.

The planes have nothing to do with the intentions, and make no mistake, ALL warbirds were built to kill, destroy, cause pain, etc.

To the australian guy, I imagine you are a redhead, or at least caucasian, so you are pretty much british.

Peter_OZ

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dont paint all aussies by same label as that moron

and we can paint same brush on both nations with atrocties to indigenous peoples . . .

Peter_OZ

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MORON

go to tasmania and chat with bob brown. Both of same ilk

Peter_OZ

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I CAN'T WAIT TO GET A BIG LUFTWAFFE PLANE AND COVER IT IN SWASTIKAS!! THE MORE THE BETTER [>:]

3136

I salute the crew of the Enola Gay, they put a stop to a dreadful war that America had FORCED upon them, the Japanese had cowardly attacked without declaring war first.
The entire world owes a big thank you to the USA.

Which Australian guy are you referring to? There have been three of us in this discussion.
And please when referring to a nation, even though you may not like it use a capital letter.

perttime

Careful now [X(]

Swastikas in the fin of a WW2 German aircraft is historical accuracy.
Covering an aircraft in them would look like a statement... and people might not stop to wonder about which statement you want to make [8D]

perttime

... if you want more swastikas on the airplane, do a Finnish ar Latvian one.

Here's a fictitious one

GerKonig

He is from Colombia, no harm meant. In spanish Australia is capitalized, same a Germany, but NOT australiano (Australian) or alemán (German). Languages are not capitalized either: español, inglés, etc. but theyare in English.

Besides he was referring to a person born in Australia, not to the nation.

Gerry

hellcat56

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TO Joespeeder

Man great web site
I had no idea of some of the planes on that site
the JU 88 I think with the parachute on the tail cant believe i did not know about that plane

cant understand the German but great photos
That is why I like this site

Thanks joe

mbuck515

Heres a pic of my old Yellow Aircraft P-47

glazier808

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Although you are correct, I do believe that they have laws about wearing or showing it in public, at least in Germany

BTW...7 out of 8 of my planes are Luft, and they all have swastika's, and I'd sure like to thank you all for helping me decide my paint scheme for my Jug. That captive T9 scheme has been one I've looked at for a while, so a swastika will go on my Jug too. Don't think I can do it to my unbuilt spitfire though, but we'll see....I may just do a T9 squadron.

Casey

rgburrill

As I recall even the AMA has endorsed using the German Cross in place of the Swastika for scale aircraft. PC or not, the Swastika evokes a lot of hatred and just for politeness and consideration should not be used. But whoever said RC scale modelers were polite or considerate?

SCALECRAFT

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My ancestors were victims of mass murders and Genocide. The word genocide was born out of these savage acts of 1915.

We (humanity/ or in-humanity?) have current genocides and exterminations that have been going on for decades and are taking countless lives, now, today.

And yet this symbol is not used by any of them today. Although the method is the same.

I have accurate marking for the subject I choose. If I offend, it is not my intent. You are welcome to counter me with your own rendition. I do not offend easily.

Be kind to your fellow man, build, fly, have fun. Life's to short for bull droppings.

Steve

Mk23socom

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