RC Warbirds and Warplanes Discuss rc warbirds and warplanes in this forum.

Hangar 9 60cc Corsair

Reply

Old 04-09-2015, 09:43 AM
  #1776  
Thomas Schultz
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WI
Posts: 35
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Hi

For about the last month I've been working with Kelvin at Keleo Creations on installing the Saito FG-84 engine with his radial exhaust ring.

Kelvin designed an engine mounting box that replaced the existing firewall. By installing the engine mounting box this made the installation a lot easier. The engine with the exhaust ring now fits in the cowling without exposing the rocker arm covers.






Tom

P.S. I’m off to Toledo for the weekend….





Kelvin’s exhaust ring:
http://www.keleo-creations.com/index...products_id=65
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	9.jpg
Views:	436
Size:	1.05 MB
ID:	2087487   Click image for larger version

Name:	8.jpg
Views:	367
Size:	1,000.2 KB
ID:	2087488   Click image for larger version

Name:	7.jpg
Views:	483
Size:	1.21 MB
ID:	2087489   Click image for larger version

Name:	6.jpg
Views:	436
Size:	1.04 MB
ID:	2087490   Click image for larger version

Name:	5.jpg
Views:	402
Size:	768.3 KB
ID:	2087491   Click image for larger version

Name:	4.jpg
Views:	410
Size:	785.3 KB
ID:	2087492   Click image for larger version

Name:	3.jpg
Views:	402
Size:	1.09 MB
ID:	2087493   Click image for larger version

Name:	2.jpg
Views:	584
Size:	1.10 MB
ID:	2087494  

Click image for larger version

Name:	1.jpg
Views:	502
Size:	1.09 MB
ID:	2087495  
Thomas Schultz is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 05:14 PM
  #1777  
mirored
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Folks, I just had one of my Robart Down and Locked electric motors give up the ghost. I am now considering changing horses midstream and putting in a set of Sierra mains. I know others have mentioned it here but wanted to know if they are a direct replacement for the Robart or does it take a lot of modification to get them in the mounts? I am not afraid of the work, just tired and disappointed and do not want to agonize over this. Any help = greatly appreciated.
mirored is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 05:15 PM
  #1778  
mirored
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by Thomas Schultz View Post
Hi

For about the last month I've been working with Kelvin at Keleo Creations on installing the Saito FG-84 engine with his radial exhaust ring.

Kelvin designed an engine mounting box that replaced the existing firewall. By installing the engine mounting box this made the installation a lot easier. The engine with the exhaust ring now fits in the cowling without exposing the rocker arm covers.






Tom

P.S. I’m off to Toledo for the weekend….





Kelvin’s exhaust ring:
http://www.keleo-creations.com/index...products_id=65
One unit on order, looking forward to putting it in. Thanks for the timely notification.
mirored is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 07:10 PM
  #1779  
camss69
My Feedback: (46)
 
camss69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 1,485
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by mirored View Post
Folks, I just had one of my Robart Down and Locked electric motors give up the ghost. I am now considering changing horses midstream and putting in a set of Sierra mains. I know others have mentioned it here but wanted to know if they are a direct replacement for the Robart or does it take a lot of modification to get them in the mounts? I am not afraid of the work, just tired and disappointed and do not want to agonize over this. Any help = greatly appreciated.
Crap, I keep hearing what junk the Robart units are... I think that's the last straw for me I will have to go with something else as well. I haven't ordered retracts yet because I keep reading stuff like this about the Robarts. I saw somewhere I think in this thread someone had pics of the Sierra gear. Hard to keep it straight which thread because I've been reading all of them that I can find on this plane.

Last edited by camss69; 04-09-2015 at 07:35 PM.
camss69 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 07:21 PM
  #1780  
chorner
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 392
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Another Robart failure huh. Mine crapped out and it was just sitting on the bench. Though, I contacted Robart and let them know I felt like their stuff was junk and I could barely trust it sitting on the ground never mind in the air, and they had advised that at least in terms of the tailwheel actuator, they are out of stock everywhere because they are in the process of updating the design to have a more beefy case. So they will be sending me a replacement ASAP, but still have to wait about 3 weeks to receive it (end of April approx). No problems with the operation of the mains at all yet after a good ~40-50 test cycles.
chorner is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 07:37 PM
  #1781  
camss69
My Feedback: (46)
 
camss69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 1,485
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

I called Robart today to ask some questions about availability and apparently all their techs are at a show and won't be back in until next week. They are supposed to call me back next week.. If they are updating the design maybe I'll hold off making a decision until next week.
camss69 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 01:35 AM
  #1782  
mirored
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

I am looking into Century Jet retracts as well. Feelers are out on that. Anyone have experience with them in this plane? I have dealt with Bruce for many years, so it isn't a question of quality or service, just if anyone has experience loading them into this plane with ease or difficulty?

I don't like being in this research mode for the best unit when I already have one....but, it is what it is.
mirored is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 02:42 AM
  #1783  
Fly2XS
My Feedback: (64)
 
Fly2XS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Eden Prairie, MN
Posts: 792
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by camss69 View Post
Crap, I keep hearing what junk the Robart units are... I think that's the last straw for me I will have to go with something else as well. I haven't ordered retracts yet because I keep reading stuff like this about the Robarts. I saw somewhere I think in this thread someone had pics of the Sierra gear. Hard to keep it straight which thread because I've been reading all of them that I can find on this plane.
The Robart Rotating Gear, just like the Sierra Gear work just fine when you use pneumatic actuation. The only problems seem to be with the electric actuation. I've been using Robart 150's on my Byrons Corsair for 15 years with no problems. I do prefer the solid construction of Darryl's Sierra Giant Scale Gear for my P51 but the last time I asked him, he did not have anything for this Corsair.

All the Robart guys are here at TOLEDO this week so we can talk to them in person. I drove 13 hours to be here.
good luck!
Fly2XS is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 02:47 AM
  #1784  
mirored
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Whatever you can get from them, and willing to share here, let us know.
mirored is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 06:03 AM
  #1785  
camss69
My Feedback: (46)
 
camss69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 1,485
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by mirored View Post
Whatever you can get from them, and willing to share here, let us know.
+1

Availability, redesign...etc....

Last edited by camss69; 04-10-2015 at 06:27 AM.
camss69 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 01:34 PM
  #1786  
CorsairJock
My Feedback: (90)
 
CorsairJock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Parchment, MI
Posts: 3,205
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by BOLTMAN View Post
Another model nearly the same as the Topflite one.

Cant you guys do something different?
I just saw this at Toledo: it is hands down better than anything Top Flite has to offer, not even close. same goes for the new Hangar 9 '60 size' Corsair.
CorsairJock is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 07:06 PM
  #1787  
Fly2XS
My Feedback: (64)
 
Fly2XS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Eden Prairie, MN
Posts: 792
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default


I just saw a terrific looking TFGS Corsair registered in the sport scale warbirds section!

They lost a transformer before lunch Friday and the entire show has been dark since.
Still waiting to see if they have it fixed for Saturday!
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	579
Size:	139.6 KB
ID:	2088004   Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	467
Size:	93.4 KB
ID:	2088005   Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpg
Views:	467
Size:	107.1 KB
ID:	2088006  

Last edited by Fly2XS; 04-11-2015 at 02:24 AM.
Fly2XS is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 03:19 AM
  #1788  
donddsms
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 127
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

I need to touch up some paint around the gear doors and wells. Any suggestions on what to use? Thanks!
donddsms is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 05:42 AM
  #1789  
njmheli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ADDLESTONESURREY, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 321
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Hi Tom.

Well,I can see that you have put your "wood-working skills" to great use !!!! .............very nice "conversion-kit".............very well done.....just a bit too late for me to use..

I guess that you have "moved" the Saito nearer to the C/L of the mounting box.....correct..?,thus to allow for no cut out's required for the rocker covers...?..I assume also that you have retained the right off-set as std ..?

If not I guess that a bit of right trim will be needed to compensate for the C/L and off-set minus....?

Again,very nice job...............enjoy Toledo !!!

Cheers...................Nick (UK).
njmheli is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 05:45 AM
  #1790  
njmheli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ADDLESTONESURREY, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 321
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by donddsms View Post
I need to touch up some paint around the gear doors and wells. Any suggestions on what to use? Thanks!
Hi.

Think if you look back in the threads,you will see what every one has been using...............here in the UK,I use a "Humbrol Enamel No 15 gloss",pretty sure that there is a "Testors" equiv..?

Cheers..................Nick (UK).
njmheli is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 05:55 AM
  #1791  
njmheli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ADDLESTONESURREY, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 321
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Hi.

Has the motor stopped working.............or is it working but not driving the "screw".................?

The reason,I ask,is that I had a failure,after only a few cycles ( mine was turning,but not driving the screw )...................got in touch with Mitch at D & L..............got a reply via e-mail,shipped BOTH motors back ( expensive from the UK !! )..........problem sorted ( early " production problems " with the "retailer R***** " is all I can say !!)......also purchased a spare motor unit ( with the "post problems retro-fitted !!! ).

Just hope that all will be ok...............so far on my testings,all good....

BUT............just now seeing the "potential Tail Wheel actuator failure" has got me a little concerned..?

Kind regards....................Nick ( UK ).
njmheli is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 06:02 AM
  #1792  
njmheli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ADDLESTONESURREY, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 321
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by chorner View Post
Hey guys, anyone have an issue with the Robart electric tailwheel actuator?

I've yet to take the bloody thing up in the air (aside from trying to get a replacement right outer flap as mine was supplied crooked as a dogs hind leg in the box), and I was cycling the retracts as a test and "bam", I noticed some strange noises coming from the electric retracts and sure enough the "great" quality of Robart shines again... the plastic housing snapped in half on the actuator. So much for "amp out" circuitry, either that or the plastic housing is extremely weak.

Anyone know of any metal cases for these, or other solutions you guys have used?

Hi chorner.

Well,this has me worried a little..............how many cycles have you done with the actuator....?

I think that I will remove mine and make some kind of reinforcing plate / set-up for this actuator............the other thing that could be a problem is with your "geometry" / set-up for the push rod etc.............I found out on my set-up,that you have to get this exactly correct,otherwise the push rod will be "bending" and hence putting un-wanted "loads" on the system............both in the retract and down positions............???

Just a thought............?

Kind regards...................Nick (UK).
njmheli is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 06:12 AM
  #1793  
njmheli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ADDLESTONESURREY, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 321
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Hi All.

Well,I think that I have now finished my "build",apart from the addition of decals etc and the Rx wiring up............Have just finished my cockpit,so thought I would post some photo's.
Just a few more litres of fuel to run through the 84 on it's test stand before it gets bolted to the fuzz..........

I have my "sensor" switch ( on / off for Rx ) mounted in a side panel in the cockpit,just below the gun-sight I have the "socket" for the "Tacho" readout and also just to the right of that,there is a small hole for the ignition LED "on" to fit into.

Kind regards..............Nick (UK).
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp1.JPG
Views:	119
Size:	95.9 KB
ID:	2088053   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp2.JPG
Views:	118
Size:	90.1 KB
ID:	2088054   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp3.JPG
Views:	110
Size:	95.5 KB
ID:	2088055   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp4.JPG
Views:	118
Size:	98.2 KB
ID:	2088056   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp5.JPG
Views:	100
Size:	104.7 KB
ID:	2088057   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp6.JPG
Views:	101
Size:	117.8 KB
ID:	2088058   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp7.JPG
Views:	97
Size:	104.2 KB
ID:	2088059   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp8.JPG
Views:	96
Size:	96.7 KB
ID:	2088060  

njmheli is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 06:14 AM
  #1794  
njmheli
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: ADDLESTONESURREY, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 321
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Some more photo's

Kind regards.................Nick (UK).
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp9.JPG
Views:	87
Size:	98.5 KB
ID:	2088061   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp10.JPG
Views:	87
Size:	93.1 KB
ID:	2088062   Click image for larger version

Name:	ccp11.JPG
Views:	82
Size:	117.1 KB
ID:	2088063  
njmheli is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 02:03 PM
  #1795  
chorner
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 392
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Nick, awesome work on the cockpit! Love it

In regards to the tailwheel actuator, I've temporarily fixed it by beefing up the case with an outer 'box' glued around the plastic housing, with wire clamps securing it further. It should hold nicely now, but do not that Robart has admitted fault with the design and are soon to release an updated unit with a metal casing versus the plastic. So not an issue at all of not getting the linkage correct; it's very easy to set by just cycling it without being connected to the tail wheel and watching where the rod/fork stops and then adjusting before connecting the pushrod to the retract.

I had probably "15" cycles on it. I noticed on mine even before it broke that the aluminum travel limiter (part that extends out of the plastic) wiggles in the plastic housing when reaching the end of the outward stroke - if you watch yours, and yours does that too you'll definitely need to beef it up but I'd beef it up regardless considering Robart has even recognized the design flaw.
chorner is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 06:07 PM
  #1796  
SunDevilPilot
 
SunDevilPilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 2,025
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

This H9 Corsair with Saito 84CC Radial was flying around today at Wings Over Arizona (Yearly event at Arizona Model Aviators).

Powered the plane quite well, and sounded really nice in the process.

Just a couple photos I got of it.

SunDevilPilot

Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Wings over AZ 1.jpg
Views:	339
Size:	711.4 KB
ID:	2088213   Click image for larger version

Name:	Wings over AZ 2.jpg
Views:	347
Size:	603.7 KB
ID:	2088214   Click image for larger version

Name:	Wings over AZ 3.jpg
Views:	308
Size:	588.9 KB
ID:	2088215   Click image for larger version

Name:	Wings over AZ 4.jpg
Views:	302
Size:	573.3 KB
ID:	2088216   Click image for larger version

Name:	Wings over AZ 5.jpg
Views:	301
Size:	597.7 KB
ID:	2088217   Click image for larger version

Name:	Wings over AZ 6.jpg
Views:	334
Size:	622.3 KB
ID:	2088218  
SunDevilPilot is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 06:25 PM
  #1797  
mirored
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Canopy is just a little loose on it But, nice plane, good shots.
mirored is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2015, 06:37 PM
  #1798  
camss69
My Feedback: (46)
 
camss69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 1,485
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

I like the Red Bull scheme, didn't know there was a RB Corsair, nice plane!

Great Pics!!
camss69 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 03:53 AM
  #1799  
mirored
My Feedback: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

I like original, out of the norm, color schemes. I am using the Lucky Gallon color scheme on the H9 Corsair, a repeat of a smaller GP plane I built in 1985.

Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Corsair.jpg
Views:	293
Size:	2.32 MB
ID:	2088296   Click image for larger version

Name:	lg6.jpg
Views:	285
Size:	506.9 KB
ID:	2088297  
mirored is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 08:15 AM
  #1800  
Cpig
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 89
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Nick,
Beautiful job on that pit! Love it; thanks for the pics. Are you going to mount a pilot,and what is you plan for securing him?
Thanks,
Joe
Cpig is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service