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Old 11-10-2013, 01:43 PM
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TXAG96,
How does your plane fly? Is it a little under powered? The reason I ask is a fellow modeler built a Bates for me and we set it up for a G62. Using the weight of the engine to
compensate for the CG. While that part has worked out I'm worried we have too much engine and it is a tight fit.
I don't know about you but I really like looking at all the other paint schemes on this post. It kinda helps deciding which way to go. Capt. Dan
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:12 PM
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Just received my Wild hare Hellcat. Got her stripped down and ready for glassing. I will be adding the inboard flaps as a minimum. These things are built light....not sure I am liking it so far. Its pretty fragile in places
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Count me in. I love Hellcats and planing to build my own in the future.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:14 AM
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Welcome 2001az, got you on the list.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:35 AM
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Building a JB 1/5 F6F-3.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:47 AM
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Capt.Dan

I guess it would probably be considered underpowered vs a G62. If I did it again I would probably go with a G62 or DLE 55 but the G45 does fly it just fine. It will loop and do all the basic warbird stuff without problem but it is not a 3D plane and will not go vertical for long.

Have you flown it with the G62? Elevator flutter is a problem I had with the plane and that was fixed with the servos mounted in the horizontal stab. It is a great flying solid plane. I am very happy with it. I think it weighs about 24 - 25 lbs.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:51 AM
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What type of retracts did you use in your Bates Hellcat?
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:18 AM
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Hi,
I'm getting ready to build the wing (JB 96") starting with a plywood mockup of the landing gear bay section to work out any un-forseen problems. On the plans it shows the main L.G. strut length of 11.75 inches ( Hinge to axle distance) but the Robarts gear is only 9.75 inches. Two inches is quite a bit That did not bother me too much, figuring I would build the strut section using Robart's rotating retract mechanism. Just got off the phone with a nice gent at robart's and he said that an 11.5 inch strut length could not be retracted because of the longer moment arm...So I'm open to suggestion. I do want to keep it as scale as possible...within reason. I just had a thought, (a rare phenomenon) When the prototype 1:1 sits on the gear it compresses the oleo so maybe I can get an inch back that way???
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:31 PM
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Check6,

Originally, I got a set of retracts from Lee Robinson (Robinaire). They were horrible and took forever to recieve but worked...sort of. I then designed and built a set myself and sold them to a buddy for his Hellcat. I have a Smithy mill / lathe combo. They work well. He lost his Hellcat and gave them back to me so I am now using the ones I built.

I would probably recommend Sierra but they are pricey. I think Robart would be too tight in that wing as it is not deep enough. Century Jet would probably work fine too as they are shown on the plans.
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:52 PM
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I have been trying to get Sierras from Darryll for over two years. He has 50% of my money and all I have are empty promises..'nuff said about Darryll. Do you have any photos or prints of your retracts that you would care to share? I'd like to put my mill and lathe to work.

I have scaled up Robart's rotating retract head and like you said it was tight. I can move the plate were the gear mounts and gain a bit of wiggle room. Just got a nice bunch of outstanding quarter sawn Sitka Spruce from Aircraft Spruce for spars. Outstanding buy at $37 bucks. about 30 pound of boards from 14 inches to 51/2 feet.
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:13 PM
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Richard,

Wow, Your experience with Sierra sounds similar to mine with Robinaire. That is actually one of the reasons I got my own machining equipment. That and I just like to cut metal. I do have some basic drawings. SInce I machine everything myself I don't worry about tolerances on the drawings. I will see what I have. I used bevel gears for the rotation which I got from SDP-SI.com. If I did it again I would probably try to use the same method robart uses. All the rest pretty much came from McMasterCarr (clippard actuators, standard bushing etc). I will see what I have for drawings when I get home.



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Old 11-11-2013, 02:44 PM
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Thanks Jeff, that is very kind of you.
I figured two different tooth bevel gears would be needed since the retraction angle I would want is 100 and the rotation angle is 90. One would need a gear ratio of 1:1.1, so when the gear retracted the full 100 it only rotates the wheel ass'y 90. If the retraction angle is the same as the rotation angle, simple miter gears can be used, unless I'm mistaken. I tried to find that ratio of ten teeth and eleven teeth small enough to fit but no luck. I have never cut a gear before...Never too late I guess.
I'll give SDP-SI a look however I'll think more about the Robart design.

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Old 11-11-2013, 04:39 PM
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Just finished scaling the length of the main gear in the squatted position, it comes out to be 10.4 inches pivot to axle center lines. That is a lot better. still have to get the 5 axle camber....R
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Old 11-12-2013, 04:41 AM
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Richard,

I apologize I did not have the time to look for the drawings last night. You are correct about the gear ratios. I decided to split the difference and have a 95 degree retraction / rotation angle (1:1 ratio on the gears). I built in a little toe in when the gear is extended, and a little over rotation when retracted. That is one advantage I see with the sierra or robart method. I think Brian Taylor has retract plans on his corsair plans which could also be adapted. You could get an idea of how those work by looking at some pictures on some build threads. I am pretty sure I saw a picture of those that someone had built on rcscalebuilder.com. The Brian taylor method is similar to the 60 size robart rotating retracts. It uses a gear on the end of the strut shaft which mates with slots cut into the retract frame. Anyway, I will try to get those drawings this evening when I get home.

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Old 11-12-2013, 08:56 AM
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Sign me up! I have a bates hellcat with F.G. fuse(Bob Holman). 80 inch wingspan. It will have a D.A. 50cc engine, and sierra retracts. Sorry, I just realized that I already posted this. I can't wait to get my workshop up and running to build this Hellcat!

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Old 11-12-2013, 09:01 AM
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Thank you capt. Dan. For the tribute to my dad, who flew the hellcat in ww2.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:11 AM
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To all hellcat lovers. Hellcats in ww 2 did not have the tiger face on the nose .
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Originally Posted by HOT COALS View Post
To all hellcat lovers. Hellcats in ww 2 did not have the tiger face on the nose .
I would have to disagree. While they were ordered removed by the "higher ups" pretty quickly, the USS Princeton VF-27 Hellcats did in fact have eyes and mouths painted on for a short period.




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Old 11-12-2013, 04:42 PM
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I really don't think they 'added' anything to the looks of the plane....as opposed to the P-40 which we all associate with the tiger mouth.
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Richard,

Well, I am not sure my drawings are quite good enough to send out, I tried to upload a few shots of the solid models but rcu doesn't seem to be taking them. PM me with your email and I can send you some of what I have if you want.

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Old 11-12-2013, 05:37 PM
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Hi Jeff, I appreciate your searching for them.
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He is right hellcats did not have tigers face ! They had sharks mouth.
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OK my Hellcat friends. Byron Hellcat, Brison 4.2 powered, very fast.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:38 PM
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Would like to join the brotherhood, this is my H9 Hellcat, running a Saito 100.
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