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Old 10-05-2017, 04:29 PM
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Very nice! What plans/kit is that? and what engines are you running?
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Originally Posted by pilotbum View Post
Very nice! What plans/kit is that? and what engines are you running?
The plans are Ziroli, I blew them up to 150" and made some mods. The engines are 3W 150 inlines.
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:40 PM
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Great job guys!

For those who may have missed it, you have got to check out Wayne's build thread. Wayne is doing an incredible job, simply amazing!
Check it out for yourself!
https://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23228&PN=1
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Originally Posted by P38J View Post
The plans are Ziroli, I blew them up to 150" and made some mods. The engines are 3W 150 inlines.
I just started looking at the RCSB build thread, it looks like it was lazer cut. Who did your cutting?

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Originally Posted by cz-7a View Post
Cz bought a p38 from bob just before he passed Iíll see if I can find some pics. The airplane is hanging up in my hanger. Cool stuff!
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Hereís some pics CBA p-38
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Originally Posted by pilotbum View Post
I just started looking at the RCSB build thread, it looks like it was lazer cut. Who did your cutting?
I have access to a laser cutter, I did the cutting myself.
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Nice images of Yipee CBA-P-38! I was told about your purchase that ended up out West. She sure is a beut!! I'm hoping to end up with a model this winter using the molds and plans to come up with a working , flying , improved model. Hopefully with some perseverance and better composites I can make it happened.
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Originally Posted by cz-7a View Post
Nice images of Yipee CBA-P-38! I was told about your purchase that ended up out West. She sure is a beut!! I'm hoping to end up with a model this winter using the molds and plans to come up with a working , flying , improved model. Hopefully with some perseverance and better composites I can make it happened.

There is a few things I would change we should talk sometime.
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That would be more than welcome, anytime you like, let me know. Thanks.
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I haven't read all of this thread but do have a P-38 question. Does anyone have experience with the old Royal kit? I have found one in the stash of a local modeler and I suspect he is going to sell it as he has enough built and more yet to build without this. I've always thought Royal kits tend to build heavy but if the plane flies reasonably well I can live with that. Worth the time and effort?

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Old 10-12-2017, 04:34 AM
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I had a Royal Corsair that was handed to me in four pieces the two wings and two fuselage. I made it my mission to repair it , properly balance it, and squelch the fears that the club at the time , said was a terrible flying plane with bad habits. I repaired the plane and found that the previous owner not only didn't properly balance the plane properly but was underpowered with a .60 at the time. I installed a .90 and much needed wt. in the nose. Test flight day came , crowed gathered and the plane flew right off the deck with no trim required. Plane served me well and even flew aerobatics and at funflys with no problems. I'm sure that even though the P-38 may be a difficult build possibly for some, it would be worth it to you if your dream is to have a unique model that is a rarity to see at any rc field let alone one in the air. Have posted a link I found for you , but make your own decisions from what I learned, you can do what you set out to do if your focused and diligent.

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I have two Royal P-38 kits I bought from our club president who found them at a garage sale a couple years ago. He wanted 75 bucks so I snapped them up. A definite steal. Both wings had been framed up and a couple odds and ends. I think the original owner got overwhelmed after seeing the complexity of the kit . Anyway, I've been working on one for about a year. I have it all framed up and fitting the fiberglass cowls I purchased from Fiberglass Specialties. I'm using two ST 45,s for power hoping they will be enough. Now figuring out where to put the servos and linkage. It will be a time consuming build but an interesting one. I'll be using the fixed landing gear for durability because we fly off of a grass field. Should be a good winter project and then some. John
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Old 10-13-2017, 06:04 PM
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I have a NIB Royal P38 kit that I am going to start as a winter project. I have all of the fiberglass pieces from Fibergalass Specialties that are offered for the kit. I anticipate that it will be the most complex build that I have ever done but I am kind of looking forward to the challenge.
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Have fun with the build. It can get a little overwhelming so I just step away for a day or two. Maybe we can exchange ideas during our builds. Keep in touch. John
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Old 10-14-2017, 02:24 PM
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I will do that. I get the stepping away thing. I've done that many times myself.
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I've seen this plane for sale on a couple forums I think. I have trouble pulling the trigger at that price mainly because of concerns over the size being too small for 20's and honestly some negative comments on it's construction. I am handcuffed without the ability to put my hands on the model and satisfy myself over the "unknowns" and I don't see where anyone has actually put 20's together with this kit. The recommendations are much smaller. I did put a 20 in my 60 size Top Flite like you did and your right it fly's awesome but I knew others had done it and there were some serious mods to get the weight distribution right. I wonder about the 38 and as tight as it is if 20's would be just too much weight up front to deal with on this size kit.

I think I have seen some old posts for a 90 inch kit, if I'm not imagining it, that would be a more comfortable size for the engine combination. Thank you for your help because I am serious about wanting to do this project and I welcome a serious conversation from anyone with first hand knowledge or resources I can go check out.

I finally pulled the trigger on a KMP kit and I am beginning the process of deciding what mods (if any) to make as I put it together. So expect a few questions for the brotherhood as i go through this. My first question has to do with the flaps. I've seen comments (but I can't remember by who or where) that sang the praises of fowlers on a P-38. The kit has just simple hinged flaps on the center sections only. Is it worth my time and effort to design and modify for a different style of flap, fowler, slotted or otherwise?

I should add that I am a sport flyer and my interest in the flap mod is for flight and not scale.

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Whew! I've just read all 55 pages. What a terrific resource here, everyone. I'm inspired!

I have a VQ-38 coming, and I'm searching from appropriate gas powerplants. Evolution seems to have fixed their 15GX with a new pumper carb and I even found a pitts muffler. Another consideration I'm flirting with are Valley View 20cc package. My worry here is how much one would have to destroy the cowl to make it fit and how to keep it cool. I might consider a couple of OS 70 Surpass' if I could find 2 new or rebuilt. Lastly I have two OS .46SFs in my stash but those are earmarked for another Duelist build (someday). Still I'm addicted to gassers. I have 2 30cc birds, and a twin 64cc bird. I gotta say, I find them all reliable if you follow break in and patiently test, tach, and tweak. You'll soon zero in on the best and most reliable settings for your particular application.

So, my question for the brain-trust is: 15cc or 20cc? Or is the really small gas engine technology just not there yet?
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Originally Posted by BluMiniMe View Post
Whew! I've just read all 55 pages. What a terrific resource here, everyone. I'm inspired!

I have a VQ-38 coming, and I'm searching from appropriate gas powerplants. Evolution seems to have fixed their 15GX with a new pumper carb and I even found a pitts muffler. Another consideration I'm flirting with are Valley View 20cc package. My worry here is how much one would have to destroy the cowl to make it fit and how to keep it cool. I might consider a couple of OS 70 Surpass' if I could find 2 new or rebuilt. Lastly I have two OS .46SFs in my stash but those are earmarked for another Duelist build (someday). Still I'm addicted to gassers. I have 2 30cc birds, and a twin 64cc bird. I gotta say, I find them all reliable if you follow break in and patiently test, tach, and tweak. You'll soon zero in on the best and most reliable settings for your particular application.

So, my question for the brain-trust is: 15cc or 20cc? Or is the really small gas engine technology just not there yet?
Thanks all!
Don't know, but I'm curious about the response! I was wondering the same thing...
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I've seen this plane for sale on a couple forums I think. I have trouble pulling the trigger at that price mainly because of concerns over the size being too small for 20's and honestly some negative comments on it's construction. I am handcuffed without the ability to put my hands on the model and satisfy myself over the "unknowns" and I don't see where anyone has actually put 20's together with this kit. The recommendations are much smaller. I did put a 20 in my 60 size Top Flite like you did and your right it fly's awesome but I knew others had done it and there were some serious mods to get the weight distribution right. I wonder about the 38 and as tight as it is if 20's would be just too much weight up front to deal with on this size kit.

I think I have seen some old posts for a 90 inch kit, if I'm not imagining it, that would be a more comfortable size for the engine combination. Thank you for your help because I am serious about wanting to do this project and I welcome a serious conversation from anyone with first hand knowledge or resources I can go check out.

I finally pulled the trigger on a KMP kit and I am beginning the process of deciding what mods (if any) to make as I put it together. So expect a few questions for the brotherhood as i go through this. My first question has to do with the flaps. I've seen comments (but I can't remember by who or where) that sang the praises of fowlers on a P-38. The kit has just simple hinged flaps on the center sections only. Is it worth my time and effort to design and modify for a different style of flap, fowler, slotted or otherwise?

I should add that I am a sport flyer and my interest in the flap mod is for flight and not scale.

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Old 02-16-2018, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BigTeeEldorado View Post
I finally pulled the trigger on a KMP kit and I am beginning the process of deciding what mods (if any) to make as I put it together. So expect a few questions for the brotherhood as i go through this. My first question has to do with the flaps. I've seen comments (but I can't remember by who or where) that sang the praises of fowlers on a P-38. The kit has just simple hinged flaps on the center sections only. Is it worth my time and effort to design and modify for a different style of flap, fowler, slotted or otherwise?

I should add that I am a sport flyer and my interest in the flap mod is for flight and not scale.
I can't speak for everyone, but I suspect the interest in fowlers is more because they're scale/correct for the aircraft. That said, a fowler flap tends to be a more efficient lift adding device than the plain or split flaps you normally get on an RC plane. Of course, that comes at the price of weight and complexity...

Edit: I'm planning to put fowlers on my Ziroli mainly because they're correct for the plane.

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Hi Guys, I was sitting in front of the TV last night happily typing away a huge response on my phone to your question on engine size while watching the olympics and somehow (probably a combination of fat fingers and small phone) reposted an old post without the response I had just spent an hour composing. So sorry for the confusion and let me see if I can remember all I tried to post last night.

First off, glad to see some activity on this thread. I am a big fan of gas engines and twin engine planes, even though they can be a lethal combination. I may be preaching to the choir but I can't get as excited about electric twins, I have had them and they fly great but I was always left wanting something. So on to the question about gas engines for your VQ. I am currently working on the KMP model and it will have DLE 20s in it. The Model is rated for MUCH less so I am doing some modifications to make the 20s work. Note to self...stay on target!! Which engine?? I have flown the DLE 20 in three different planes and I am a fan. I cannot say enough good things about both performance and consistent dependability It has always performed well when set up and managed correctly. I put the "managed correctly" disclaimer in there cause I know guys that take engines out of the box, put them in a plane and run them wide open the first day on regular fuel, have problems either that day or the next weekend and blame it on the engine. With mine, I broke it in correctly per manufacturers instructions, never flew it at one throttle setting for very long until I had run a full gallon of non synthetic fuel through it and it has been a great engine. Enough preaching.... So is the gas engine technology good enough? I believe yes when it comes to the DLE20. I cannot however speak with any experience when it comes to the VQ model you are working with. I switch to discussing the model because I believe much of your decision has to include how well the model can accommodate the size and weight of which ever powerplant you choose. The KMP model I am working on is not a scale model, which works to my favor for all the mods I have to do to get the larger DLE20s to work. It is physically larger in some aspects and in particular where the engines mount and I can fit the engines with some relatively minor mods and it all fits inside the cowl and there will be enough cooling. I am a firm believer that if you cannot achieve balance in a P38 without adding lead at some location than you need to rethink. I have used that philosophy in all my planes and it has served me well. All warbirds and especially the P38 are very wing loading sensitive airplanes and the addition of lead over and above the needed hardware is not good! Sooo, hopefully someone with experience with the VQ can chime in to help with that aspect.

I hope I helped and again I am glad to see some activity here, let us know how things are going along the way.
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Here are a couple pictures of where my build is at.
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Here are a couple pictures of where my build is at.
Sorry for my response...I didn't realize it was an old post. Looks like the KMP is coming along nicely for you!
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  1. Blu, Have you looked at the Saito FG14? Looks like Saito's are in one pictured on VQ's home page, and talks of full scale quiet sound due to superchargers.
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