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Ziroli p-47 92" blown up to 110"

Old 04-11-2014, 02:14 PM
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John,
This one is being done with aluminum tape.
When I paint, I use Behr paint from home depot. Check my Carf F4U for details as I did a 3 color scheme on it.
I just take the color sample in and they scan it and give the exact color.

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Priming:
Everything's not done, doors, inner cooler doors, etc, but close enough for me to prime all the major parts (plus, it gives me a sense of accomplishment, getting some primer on parts!).
I set up my pop ups to keep the sun off the parts as well as bird droppings, etc.
Did the bottoms first and, by the time I get around to the doing the tops, the bottom is dry enough on the surface (plus it's only primer that's going to be sanded anyway).
As mentioned previously, the primer is 2-part auto primer. Real nasty stuff so, even doing the 'shooting' outside, I still wore a respirator (and gloves).
All those good food glass jars that I've been saving came in handy. One brand has measurements on the side. I did 12 oz with 6 oz of hardener and ran it through two strainers. I used 24 oz's of primer (plus hardener) to do the parts. I find the harbor freight 14 dollar gun works great. I like the 4 oz size as little chance of getting runs with it.
Two air filters: big one at the waist and 2nd by the gun.
The usual procedure, corners and edges first and then the main area, overlapping by 50%. I do a 2nd pass perpendicular to the first.
Cleanup's always easy with solvent base: not sure why they say water base paint is easy to clean up: it dries quickly and water has little affect on removing it once it's dry and it can clog the gun's guts quickly if not thoroughly disassembled and cleaned, immediately.
Storing all those big card board boxes is a pain, but it's worth it when I start painting: they hold lots of parts at a good height for me to shoot paint.
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Yo Brian,
I agree with you. I love 3 piece wings. I've converted any plans that were 2 piece wings to 3. All my planes have them, except the P-47. The gear is so wide that, for me, it won't save me that much space. I've only got a 6' wide by 14' long trailer. With the Carf F4U in there, I had to make the P-47 as a two piece wing. Presently, I need a ramp to get the F4U in the trailer's floor, thus no room for a 3-piece wing P-47. I can handle the Ziroli size planes: I lift my SBD on a rack over the corsair but I just can't lift these 110" planes with moki's up front.
Actually, during the flying season, I'll probably just keep the wing together as one. I don't like turning these big planes on their back due to hanger rash and also two people are needed to turn them over. With my F4U, when I need to remove the wing, I have a low stand (just high enough to have the gear clear the ground) and remove the wing with me laying on the ground. I plan to do the same with the P-47. Have gear down, roll the wing up under the fuse and screw in the four bolts.

Hope you consider coming to Mac's warbirds over Georgia (June 12-14) or his October flyin (Rally of the giants). Lots of your friends are there: Dino, Pedro, Scott, Mike (RCscalebuilders), PJ, Carl, Merlyn, RB, Jim, Bates, Frank and, oh yes, Mac !

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Old 04-11-2014, 03:09 PM
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Sam,

Looking forward to seeing this one in FDL this summer. Think it'll be finished by then?

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Todd,
I want to have it done in 3-4 weeks. Of course, all the aluminum tape has to be done, also, gear doors, functional inner cooling doors, functional cowl flaps, functional canopy, full cockpit kit from Dbalsa....that's all!
I guess dates on when they will be done but I don't go berserk trying to make the date: I work at my own pace and what happens, happens. It's a hobby, not a job.

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I'm subscribed to this !!! I'm doing a Ziroli 94" P40 and want to blow these plans to the 110-120 range and do a scratch build when I finish the 94"....very ambitious project you have...cant wait to see your finished product !
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Originally Posted by samparfitt
Todd,
I want to have it done in 3-4 weeks. Of course, all the aluminum tape has to be done, also, gear doors, functional inner cooling doors, functional cowl flaps, functional canopy, full cockpit kit from Dbalsa....that's all!
I guess dates on when they will be done but I don't go berserk trying to make the date: I work at my own pace and what happens, happens. It's a hobby, not a job.
You da man Sam!
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Sam IS da man.
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Thanks, guys.
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Primer (cont)
Sanding:
some 220 wet sand paper, a sponge and lots of water. I just use a half sheet, fold it in half and sand by hand.
With water, the sandpaper lasts a long time: messy but effective.
I tried something different this time; I put the glazing putty on before the first sanding of the primer to save an extra sanding step. Seems to work well. With the primer, it's easy to see all the mistakes I had with the cloth and resin.
Thus far, got one wing, fuse, flaps and ailerons finished.
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:56 AM
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primer (cont)
Remaining parts wet sanded.
Ready for all the chart tape for panel lines.
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Old 04-14-2014, 08:57 AM
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Sam, does your wing halves get glued together at some point, or just bolted?

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Tony,
They stay as two wings and bolt together.
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Guns (cont)
Needed to fill in around the gun holes to make them neat.
Used some Evercoat mold release on the gun barrels, slid the guns into the holes and used easysand to fill in the gaps.
The mold release did it's job as the guns screwed out and I could then easily sand away the waste.

Panel lines:
Not much needed to make them: chart tape, scissors and tweezers...and lots of time!
I use 1/32" wide chart tape for the panel lines: 1/64" would be more scale but I'm partial to the thicker line on the planes.
Stab and elevators done. That saw tooth line was fun. Laid the two parallel lines as one long piece of tape; after putting in the diagonals, a brand new xacto blade was used to cut away the waste on the two parallel lines.
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Looking good Sam, man I can't wait to start the finishing on mine!

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Do you layout the panel lines first with a pencil or a marker? Or do you free hand them.

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Thanks, Tony.
A pencil and ruler are used. Markers can bleed through paint.
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Wings (cont)
Finally filled in the TE of the wings using 1/64" thick ply. Needed something very flexible and thin so it won't interfere with Flap/ailerons LE movement.
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Panel lines (cont)
Wings done. Surprised at how large the aluminum sheets they used for those panels; amazing they had machines to make such large sheets of aluminum.
Vertical fin and rudder done.
Missed the stab's wing tips when first putting on the chart tape.
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Panel lines (cont)
Fuse done.
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Sam, your cooking with gas! Great progress.

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Thanks, Tony,
You must be older than I thought; that gas term is from a 60's commercial.

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pylons:
Started construction of the pylons.

panel lines:
Ailerons and flaps done.
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Fuse (cont)
Vents for the bottom of the fuse.
Went to home depot and picked up some stock aluminum sheet for vents, some foam to stiffen the inside of the belly pan and some brass water heater hose for the moki's exhaust.

Engine Exhaust vents:
Made a paper template first to check functionality and then cut vents using the aluminum sheet stock. A wide mouth pair of vise grips worked great at bending the sheet aluminum. Nothing complicated: the opening is 3/8" wide that tapers down to zero width and a 1/4" lip around the edge for some #2 button head wood screws to secure the vents to the fuse.
A forstner bit used to drill a hole in the flat sheet sock for the exhaust pipe with the two vents attached.

Vent in front of turbo-charger vent.
Same design as for the engine vent only a little larger. For vent louvers I got some corner flashing that had ripples but didn't like it's looks, once cut and put on the fuse so I just took sheet stock and bent it 1/4", 1/8", etc until I had a four opening vent louver. I had to sand a flat spot on the fuse so the louver would sit flush. A dremel cut off disk was used to cut slots in the vent louvers. I also added side sheeting to the vent to cover up the end holes.

Side vents louvers:
There's also some side vents on the bottom of the fuse. Same as the previous vents only a little smaller.

Turbo-charger vent:
A block of balsa was used to get the rounded end of the vent. Stock sheeting was then screwed over one end of the balsa block to complete the turbo-charger vent.
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Primer:
Second coat put on. The panel lines got extra passes to layer the paint over the chart tape.
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Sam, does the belly pan get glued into the wing or it it attached like the Carf?

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Tony,
Since my wings are 2 piece, the belly pan needs to be screwed on.
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Priming (cont)
Got some wet sanding done on the fuse.
Slowed down a little: Daughter's dog grooming business needed 8 wall cabinets so I had to sand/varnish those. While the weather is good and while the 'pop ups' are up, also painted (one shade of 6) the nieuport 28 (resting against the cabinets) and primed the B-25 (sitting on the top shelf). The P-47 is also scattered around the wall cabinets.
Too much stuff in the shop: tomorrow, I'll install the cabinets. And, in between putting coats of paint on the nieuport, I'll wet sand the P-47 parts.
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Boy, and I thought my shop was a mess.


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And that's only the front half: no picture of the back half! Plus there's engine parts, etc in the living room and basement.
A couple weeks ago it was clean: working on 4 projects and you start putting stuff where ever there's a spot!

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