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Old 04-15-2014, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BobH View Post
Do you think the displayed engine can turn a four bladed prop that looks the part? Most likely not even close.
True, but will facilitate a static scale prop without adversly impacting flying qualities on a 2b.
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A big AMEN on that P-38!!!!!!!!!!
Is this a prayer for a P38 ? Is there one in the works?
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:46 AM
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I'd sure like to see a P-38 ARF on the horizon(or one that's top flite)! One problem is the shysters on retainer with Lockheed demand a royalty for any models done on their plane. If that hurdle can be overcome, we might see some planes in the future.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:59 AM
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I think they can use P38 but not Lockheed.I would love to see one too.
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A 'B' stang model conversion will still look funny with a D wing IMHO. This is my fuselage made from Jerry Bates Plans for a P51B, I believe it is the same scale size at 89" wingspan 1/5th scale. I wonder if the Hangar ARF uses the laminar airfoil? It would be interesting if the wing fits my fuselage. It is possible to make just the rear turtle deck to make a B model.

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Originally Posted by fw190 View Post
A 'B' stang model conversion will still look funny with a D wing IMHO. This is my fuselage made from Jerry Bates Plans for a P51B, I believe it is the same scale size at 89" wingspan 1/5th scale. I wonder if the Hangar ARF uses the laminar airfoil? It would be interesting if the wing fits my fuselage. It is possible to make just the rear turtle deck to make a B model.
The Harngar 9 airfoil is a SELIG designed specifically for low Reynolds numbers as found when flying our model airplanes. The scale laminar P-51 airfoil is a very poor performing airfoil on model airplanes as it requires high Reynolds numbers. Does your Bates Mustang use the laminar flow airfoil?

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Originally Posted by Lifer View Post
I'd sure like to see a P-38 ARF on the horizon(or one that's top flite)! One problem is the shysters on retainer with Lockheed demand a royalty for any models done on their plane. If that hurdle can be overcome, we might see some planes in the future.
There are Small scale electric "P38"s ... so I'd say that's an easy hurdle... I think they would sell better than everyone thinks. I'd dip into retirement fora QUALITY P38 arf
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I imagine there will be a great deal of customizing done with this modeI. I think the B or C model would be an excellent choice. Maybe something done up in RAF markings? Or heck just leave it as is!

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Old 04-15-2014, 10:51 PM
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subscribed, pre-ordered - all in!
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Originally Posted by Lifer View Post
I'd sure like to see a P-38 ARF on the horizon(or one that's top flite)! One problem is the shysters on retainer with Lockheed demand a royalty for any models done on their plane. If that hurdle can be overcome, we might see some planes in the future.
Oh no...not shysters! Careful now...
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Originally Posted by Spychalla Aircraft View Post
The Harngar 9 airfoil is a SELIG designed specifically for low Reynolds numbers as found when flying our model airplanes. The scale laminar P-51 airfoil is a very poor performing airfoil on model airplanes as it requires high Reynolds numbers. Does your Bates Mustang use the laminar flow airfoil?

Leo
I totally agree with spychalla that using the true laminar airfoil from the original mustang wing on a model is asking for trouble. While it is obviously true that laminar would be more scale appearing it is also very correct that the laminar airfoil does not perform well in our models. However if you fly a plane with a laminar airfoil with care you can keep it flying, but for most modelers this design wing would lead to snaps into the ground at lower airspeeds and/or tighter turns, and would take a lot more altitude to recover from any stall.

Te same thing is true of washout in thw wing - when this was added to models it made them much more user friendly and without washout you have a much greater tendency for snaps when the wing starts to stall. With washout the wing stalls close to the fuselage first which tends to avoid snaps. Washout was another big step forward in model aviation.

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Old 04-16-2014, 06:25 AM
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Leo is correct. Firstly, who can tell its a laminar air foil just by looking at it? The differences are subtle when scaled down.
Secondly, molecules don't scale down only our planes. Laminar is useful in the real world but not in the model world. Actually there's absolutely no need for it and its not desirable at all.
FYI washout is in full scale air craft too. Depends on the plane
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LOL....

The reason we don't see large scale planes in "odd" models, is that large "scale" war birds are a in a select group.....those that have them...and those that like to look...
Many realize the cost associated with them and "fsssst"....and go purchase a small electric "Foamy" and think it is just great....

ESM... is one of the few companies that manufacture "large scale war birds" exclusively..... they do not make FOAMies... of any kind.... The are strictly warbirds.... in the 30-60cc size planes...
They survive by offering the entire spectrum of warbirds....

I would like to see a wonderfully done p-38 available to the masses that would take a min 20cc to 50cc The main issue is ...."engine out" performance.... P38's are not know for being able to work well on 1 running engine.
that is why we had, up until recently.... 2-large b25 bombers from TF and H9..... why Topflite got rid of there b25 is beyond me..... The B25 has a Large double Rudder rear, that is a great one for the inexperienced twin engine pilots....
The p38 is NOT .....

PAU is working on a large p-38.. (50cc) I believe...but will not be ready for couple more years....

I really like this H9 p51....

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Old 04-16-2014, 08:32 AM
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I am wondering about the landing gear for this bird..??

The product description says electric retracts... and for "completion lists" it states it needs (2) retract servos...

I will look at the corsair retracts but I believe they are robarts???...

The retracts get there power for a retract servo??
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:13 AM
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The landing gear for the Mustang is E-flite, not Robart. Retract servos are only required if you choose to make the inner gear doors functional.
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The "completion kits" aren't showing up right now, just links for the kit parts and options.

If you get Robart electric retracts, they plug directly into the receiver, you don't need retract servos for them.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:29 PM
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Any idea when the manual will be available online?

Thanks in advance

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I am happy Horizon brought this plane to market. I am sure like the 60cc Corsair it will be hard to keep in stock. The 30cc Spitfire looks nice too, I wonder how that plane has done? I wonder why the Spitfire was not engineered around the 60cc size as well?

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Dave Platt, Brian Taylor, and the Master Scale Mustang designed by Jim Meister all use the laminar airfoil and have all been built and flown with great success. I still contend that building light and accurate is more important than airfoil choice, within reason of course.
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I'm building my bill of materials spreadsheet and have another retract question if anyone has packaging insights.

1. Does part # EFLG700 (50-60cc 90 Deg Main Retract P-51) -$479.99 include one or both retracts? I assume both.
2. Does part # EFLG700 include the 5-1/4" P-51D 10-Spoke Mustang Wheel (HAN477018)? I assume no, but really hope the correct answer is yes.

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Mark,

I doubt the wheels come with the retracts. However your former question regarding the retracts themselves, answer is yes. What does your BOM look like thus far? Also, what tail wheel will you be using?

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Yes back in the day when those designers were the "most scale" they did win with them. That didn't make them good flying planes for the masses. Charlie Chambers told me his Platt Mustang glided like a stone!.. I believed him.. lol
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Originally Posted by BobH View Post
Yes back in the day when those designers were the "most scale" they did win with them. That didn't make them good flying planes for the masses. Charlie Chambers told me his Platt Mustang glided like a stone!.. I believed him.. lol
Not trying to be argumentative in any way Bob but the Taylor airplane, smallest of all of them, has a reputation as a pretty docile handling airplane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1-qn7oW9so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANcFxE7d2Lg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAwAQg0ead8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZApQjKNy0

Sorry for the thread drift!
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Originally Posted by marksp View Post
I'm building my bill of materials spreadsheet and have another retract question if anyone has packaging insights.

1. Does part # EFLG700 (50-60cc 90 Deg Main Retract P-51) -$479.99 include one or both retracts? I assume both.
2. Does part # EFLG700 include the 5-1/4" P-51D 10-Spoke Mustang Wheel (HAN477018)? I assume no, but really hope the correct answer is yes.

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Both/No
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Originally Posted by WI53072 View Post
Mark,

I doubt the wheels come with the retracts. However your former question regarding the retracts themselves, answer is yes. What does your BOM look like thus far? Also, what tail wheel will you be using?

Tally Ho!

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1. P-51D Mustang 60cc ARF - Hangar 9 - HAN4770
2. Evolution Engines 62GXI with SureFire EFI - Horizon - EVOE62GXI
3. 50-60cc 90 Deg Main Retract P-51 - Horizon - EFLG700
4. 50-60cc 90 Deg Tail Retract P-51 - Horizon - EFLG750
5. Spektrum PowerSafe Receiver (12-channel) - Spektrum AR12120
6. TM 1000 Telemetry module (SPM9548) - Spektrum - SPM9548
7. Telemetry ignition module (EVOA107) - Spektrum - EVOA107
8. 5-1/4" P-51D 10-Spoke Mustang Wheel- Hangar 9 - HAN47701
9. IBEC - TechAero

Outstanding:
- prop
- tail wheel
- receiver batts
- servos
- LED's (ElectroDynamics)

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