Kolm 135 install in CARF Mustang
11-22-2014, 01:03 PM
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Drscoles:
i go to a club now. I will try to answer your questions tomorrow morning. In monday i can show you photos of my installation.
again i will ask you guys, should i do bettet a own thread? About installation and cooling? Or we go on here, no problem for me, really.
So i will try to show you step by step how to built it.
Tom
i go to a club now. I will try to answer your questions tomorrow morning. In monday i can show you photos of my installation.
again i will ask you guys, should i do bettet a own thread? About installation and cooling? Or we go on here, no problem for me, really.
So i will try to show you step by step how to built it.
Tom
11-22-2014, 01:20 PM
#78
I'm beginning to wonder if I bought the wrong motor? I didn't think the 100 came with 270 timing, so I chose the 135. The cylinder heads being that much smaller really would have made a big difference and I'm guessing it would way around or so less...
11-22-2014, 04:54 PM
#80
The IL135 is a very good choice for p51. I will find out if you need the long version for a stressless installation.
Look at this: both mustangs with IL135.
http://youtu.be/vOE2cLRRdLI
Look at this: both mustangs with IL135.
http://youtu.be/vOE2cLRRdLI
11-22-2014, 06:10 PM
#82
OK Tom, Couple more questions. I have the cold side pretty well sealed off. I will close the scale vents after paint. On the carb/hot side, you mentioned isolating the carbs??? There isn't much room in there. I am also slightly concerned that they won't get enough air that close to the side of the fuse. Please look at the proposed outline for the cutout on the bottom, what do you think? Should I start smaller and cut it more if it gets hot?
I noticed you mention and had pics of foam… what are you using that for? I have a little plastic ramp in the install kit, not sure of where to put it! I need to get a pic of it.
Thanks, Mike
I noticed you mention and had pics of foam… what are you using that for? I have a little plastic ramp in the install kit, not sure of where to put it! I need to get a pic of it.
Thanks, Mike
do inside the fuselage a thin piece glass to close the small holes on the could side.
the carbs you isolate with a piece of foam. Why? Becaus the carbs are gettin hot after 3 minutes flight becaus of the heating zylinders. If you throttle down the fuel in the hot carb will blow out and the engine stops in worst case.
The foam parts i do for close all holes. All the cooling air should go throu the zylinderhead. Air that goes more then 3mm next to the engine will do no cooling.
Tom
11-22-2014, 06:14 PM
#83
I bought my through Vogelsang Aeroscale. Ask for a quote and he'll get you the current price.
Jay
11-23-2014, 06:05 AM
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Got up early enough to do a little carbon work. I'm not really worried about rotational/torque forces (should I be?) More the shear weight of the motor stressing the area behind the firewall. Any structural engineers in the house? The other CARF planes I have are notoriously weak here. Ask me know I know…..
What caused the Moki deadstick in your '47 ? Always like to ask because it might save someone else's plane one day by picking up a tip or idea.
11-23-2014, 09:13 AM
#85
One main. Gear got stuck up. I bent a trunion, got a replacement, I think it was locking a tiny bit too tight in the up position. Couldn't duplicate on ground. So, not a dead stick, belly landed it, greased it in, then hit a little berm and it went back up into the air about 5'. Then landed again. Cowl was undamaged other than the aluminum straps getting bent. Broke clean about 4" behind firewall, all the way around. It's in primer, hopefully doing rivets in the next week or so.
11-23-2014, 10:02 AM
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OK Tom, Couple more questions. I have the cold side pretty well sealed off. I will close the scale vents after paint. On the carb/hot side, you mentioned isolating the carbs??? There isn't much room in there. I am also slightly concerned that they won't get enough air that close to the side of the fuse. Please look at the proposed outline for the cutout on the bottom, what do you think? Should I start smaller and cut it more if it gets hot?
I noticed you mention and had pics of foam… what are you using that for? I have a little plastic ramp in the install kit, not sure of where to put it! I need to get a pic of it.
Thanks, Mike
I noticed you mention and had pics of foam… what are you using that for? I have a little plastic ramp in the install kit, not sure of where to put it! I need to get a pic of it.
Thanks, Mike
your installation looks good! The plastik ramp... Is it a 3D Printed part? Its possible that it is your spoiler for hot air exhaust. So if it is, you know how big cut out the cowl.
My foam-parts i use to close the space between engine an fuse or cowl. All air must go thru the zylinders, air byside the zylinder will not cool the engine. if you need more information tell me....
11-23-2014, 11:01 AM
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Here is my CARF Mustang I buillt. I did the 200 cc triple. The motor is a work of art! I have flown the plane one time, and pretty pleased with the plane. I still have a few things to work out for next year, but will be real fun to get going.
11-23-2014, 03:35 PM
#90
Beautiful 1200psi! Love the paint scheme. Are you planning on adding baffles?
Tom,
Here is that piece, it does look 3d printed. I saw on the pics of the galloping ghost that the flange went on the outside of the fuse. Not really crazy about doing that. To put it where the CAD drawings show, I it will cover the hole quite a bit. I'm not quite sure exactly how I'm supposed to use this piece without trimming the hell out of it. I am a rookie on this stuff, I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish with air flow. i.e., little lips or flanges will cause air to speed up or slow down and be drawn or sucked out????
Tom,
Here is that piece, it does look 3d printed. I saw on the pics of the galloping ghost that the flange went on the outside of the fuse. Not really crazy about doing that. To put it where the CAD drawings show, I it will cover the hole quite a bit. I'm not quite sure exactly how I'm supposed to use this piece without trimming the hell out of it. I am a rookie on this stuff, I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish with air flow. i.e., little lips or flanges will cause air to speed up or slow down and be drawn or sucked out????
11-23-2014, 08:17 PM
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Got the front end painted tonight. I need to put some carbon on the floor behind the firewall before I do the cut out. The cockpit and all the mounting trays inside are removable. The plane is pretty much ready for paint, then I can put everything back together 
11-23-2014, 09:21 PM
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Beautiful 1200psi! Love the paint scheme. Are you planning on adding baffles?
Tom,
Here is that piece, it does look 3d printed. I saw on the pics of the galloping ghost that the flange went on the outside of the fuse. Not really crazy about doing that. To put it where the CAD drawings show, I it will cover the hole quite a bit. I'm not quite sure exactly how I'm supposed to use this piece without trimming the hell out of it. I am a rookie on this stuff, I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish with air flow. i.e., little lips or flanges will cause air to speed up or slow down and be drawn or sucked out????
Tom,
Here is that piece, it does look 3d printed. I saw on the pics of the galloping ghost that the flange went on the outside of the fuse. Not really crazy about doing that. To put it where the CAD drawings show, I it will cover the hole quite a bit. I'm not quite sure exactly how I'm supposed to use this piece without trimming the hell out of it. I am a rookie on this stuff, I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish with air flow. i.e., little lips or flanges will cause air to speed up or slow down and be drawn or sucked out????
11-23-2014, 11:26 PM
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11-24-2014, 12:58 AM
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Hello again :-)
for Doc :
I marked you where to cut. the you can trimm the hole pice a bit--- thats no problem, and glue it inside where the hot-air-exhaust will be. the it looks like thle spoiler of th ghost which i showed you here. it´s all about the spoiler. Becaus of the nose-form of the mustang you really need it to get the effect of sucing :-)
hope you understand my hobby-english.....
Salte:
Now i finish the work at my BF109. Will be the plane for our formation-flight (visite our site an left a "like" if you want https://www.facebook.com/AustrianWW2Fighters ) ... and then P51 will start. hope end of dezember. of course i will post here a bit, no problem.
Plan is the IL150! Power more then enough and no problem with installation.
tom
for Doc :
I marked you where to cut. the you can trimm the hole pice a bit--- thats no problem, and glue it inside where the hot-air-exhaust will be. the it looks like thle spoiler of th ghost which i showed you here. it´s all about the spoiler. Becaus of the nose-form of the mustang you really need it to get the effect of sucing :-)
hope you understand my hobby-english.....
Salte:
Now i finish the work at my BF109. Will be the plane for our formation-flight (visite our site an left a "like" if you want https://www.facebook.com/AustrianWW2Fighters ) ... and then P51 will start. hope end of dezember. of course i will post here a bit, no problem.
Plan is the IL150! Power more then enough and no problem with installation.
tom
Last edited by Ixtrim; 11-24-2014 at 05:37 AM.
11-24-2014, 09:17 AM
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Hello again :-)
for Doc :
I marked you where to cut. the you can trimm the hole pice a bit--- thats no problem, and glue it inside where the hot-air-exhaust will be. the it looks like thle spoiler of th ghost which i showed you here. it´s all about the spoiler. Becaus of the nose-form of the mustang you really need it to get the effect of sucing :-)
hope you understand my hobby-english.....
Salte:
Now i finish the work at my BF109. Will be the plane for our formation-flight (visite our site an left a "like" if you want https://www.facebook.com/AustrianWW2Fighters ) ... and then P51 will start. hope end of dezember. of course i will post here a bit, no problem.
Plan is the IL150! Power more then enough and no problem with installation.
tom
for Doc :
I marked you where to cut. the you can trimm the hole pice a bit--- thats no problem, and glue it inside where the hot-air-exhaust will be. the it looks like thle spoiler of th ghost which i showed you here. it´s all about the spoiler. Becaus of the nose-form of the mustang you really need it to get the effect of sucing :-)
hope you understand my hobby-english.....
Salte:
Now i finish the work at my BF109. Will be the plane for our formation-flight (visite our site an left a "like" if you want https://www.facebook.com/AustrianWW2Fighters ) ... and then P51 will start. hope end of dezember. of course i will post here a bit, no problem.
Plan is the IL150! Power more then enough and no problem with installation.
tom
Tom, So that lip has to stick out below the fuse profile below the hole I cut out? Ughh…. lol I will make it removable I can't handle seeing that thing sticking down
!
Last edited by DrScoles; 11-24-2014 at 09:22 AM.
11-24-2014, 09:25 AM
#98
1200psi, the baffle kit came from Kolm. It required a lot of adjustment and fabrication of a few of the parts, but it was a great start. The biggie in the kit is the two firewalls, would have sucked not having them. They needed a ton of trimming as well, (which leads me to wonder if I have the right version of the motor long vs. short)?????
