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Old 12-04-2005, 05:24 PM
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Hi everyone. I have started building a Airkill Macchi MC 200 from plans, and have been told that "the plane is fast, hard to land, and will be short lived." Needless to say, that is a little discouraging. So with that in mind, I would like to ask what your favorite and least favorite Warbirds are in this scale. It is not for combat, just a little plane to play around with. I know a lot of people like JK Aerotech, but I am most intrested in balsa designs. There are lots of plans at www.turnkeyrc.com to choose from! I have never had a Warbird this small before. Thanks everyone!
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:04 PM
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Yee-Ha,
I have been flying a Stein Models Ki-61 with a Norvel .15 for a couple years. It is a great model for just zipping aroound the sky. I don't fly combat with it either. I also just put he last coat of paint on a DBW Models Kawanishi George 21. I never heard of the kit company before and bought the kit off ebay. I would not have bought it if I had seen it in person--the worst plastic vacuum forming I have ever seen. Probably won't be able to see how it flys until Spring.
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Old 12-04-2005, 10:17 PM
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Yee-ha,
I've built and flown the P-40 Warhawk, Hawker Hurricane, and Corsair from Check 6 plans. You can get the kit and plans through turnkeyrc.com shown on the RCCA site. I put a .25 size engine in mine and they launched and flew just fine. The landing glide is no problem as long as you turn off the engine before landing and have the prop set up to stop in the horizontal position. I painted mine with latex paint and overspray with poly clear coat.

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Old 12-04-2005, 10:18 PM
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I used to build a couple of Hergett plans. The mustang and Ta-152 were both great fliers. You still may be able to get the plans from the scale combat guys.

Hope this helps,
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Old 12-05-2005, 09:38 AM
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Hey awesome replies so far guys! Lets see some pics of the planes you have built!
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Old 12-05-2005, 10:01 AM
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Yee-Ha,
I flew a Hergett P-51 built by John "Voodoo" West for 2-3 years. No combat.
Just a small fun Fly. Steve used balsa over foam, which made for a very
solid wing. The fuse was built up per plans. It was a little on the heavy side,
so it landed pretty hot. I had a Magnum .25 in it, and we guessed it would
do 100 mph level flight. By far the quickest plane I have owned! I would
shake pretty good after I landed it. I sold it to a friend who was going to
put a Magnum .28 in it!. I also have a Pica Corsair that I flew for a while,
also with a Magnum .25. It's great plane but it was tricky to hand launch.
I built a HOB .19-.21 P-51 & it's my favorite. I have an OS .20 FP in it.
What I like about it is it's light enough to land slow, built strong enough
to speed up & play with. I would highly recommend this plane. I really
like this size. Easy to transport without wing removal & hand launchable.
I also have a Herr Engineering P-51 with a Norvel .074. I call it my
electric because it's so quiet. Very light weight, so it's best on very calm
days. Also one of my favorites.
Good Luck!

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P.S. My flying partner a Global Me 109 Arf. A little larger than 1/12,
but an excellant flyer.
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:45 PM
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Great responses guys... Doesn't anybody have any pictures of there planes?
I really like unique warbirds, and I like that there seems to be pretty good selection. The biggest problem is most are plans not kits, which brings up the "where do I get canopy's and cowls?" dilema. There is a Mig-3 and Dewoitine 520 (although no picture[]) at www.turnkeyrc.com And the Grumman F9F Panther looks AWESOME!
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I flew RC Combat in the late 90's including Top Gun Demo and 2000 class 2105 national point champion. I flew all foam planes that were glassed, No longer available but some great flying planes. A seafury is wonderful as well as my Favorite Bearcat at 2 lbs with a K&B .21 with 30% Nitro was easily over 100 MPH. I was the fastest at the 99 and 2000 Nats by most estimates. For wood any of the Pica kits that I have flown are great as long as they are light with a big motor. An FP .20 stock is a dog for this application. Use small servos and battery. One OZ is a BIG deal!
My remaining plane is a Pica Corsair it is very popular at our club airshow since I fly it in formation with a 100" Ziroli Ccorsair. I know Jeff who kits the airkill series the TA-152 is a great flyer MVVS .26 I think with a Moose Can Muffler it really honks.
The Herget mustang in previous post was a good flyer as well. It cut my ribbon several times.
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PS. the Macchi 202 will be a handful. Small plane, easy to get over weight. I have one awaiting finishing set up with a Conquest .15
Did I mention weight is the critical part of how these planes fly?
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Old 12-08-2005, 09:56 AM
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With the idea of weight in mind, what would you recommend for a reciever and reciever battery? I use all Futaba gear. Thanks.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:58 AM
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I am a JR guy so I am not too familair with their gear but go the RCCA site and you will get lots of input. If you look at performance vs weight look at about 35 in/oz servo. I did not use a rudder servo so I only used 3 on board servos. On the corsair I had to go with seperate servos on the aileron to ease the bent wing situation. Use the smallest/cheap 4-6 channel RX If you want to go crazy the micro rx as long as they are not the short range rx. I used the JR 600 RX which was the cheapest rx they made at the time. I used a 350 MAH battery. I also did not use a switch since it was weight and could be dammaged in a crash with the possibility of becoming a suspect part to reuse. For sport flying and easey flying go with a small switch. I didn't mention but don't put landing gear on these planes. weight and drag affects performance.
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:49 PM
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I have a Pica 1/12 -B model mustang that I fly occasionally. She loves to fly very fast, and if I throttle down too much too quick, she'll snap very violently. Makes landings fun. She's a bit porky with standard-size gear, and I'm using a O.S. .20FP. The finish is enamel over auto primer.

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I'm currently building an Airkill f8f Rare Bear. Just finished sheeting the wings and fuse....can't wait to try it with the 25fx.

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Jesse, Nice looking bird! How did you attach the plastic top? I built one and hated the plastic top. It flew fast, maybe just got small real fast. Mine only lasted 8 flights, I yanked too hard in a high speed turn too close to the ground. It snapped in real hard. Landings were all more of a semi-controlled crash. If I do another, I'll leave the landing gear off.
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Thanks Mike,
Pica offered this plane in ARF or ARC form. I got the ARC, which was already built up, sheeted and primered. The canopy was already attached and is the only part that is plastic. The turtledeck behind the canopy is wood. These Pica planes do tend to snap pretty easily. At least the mustangs do. I don't fly it that often, unless conditions are right: wind from the south, warm day, sun behind me and nobody else up in the air! If it lasts long enough, I'd like to eventually convert it to electric, although the weight might be a problem.

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Old 12-10-2005, 05:33 PM
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My two cents?
Many, but not all, 1/12 scale warbirds are horrible. They just fly on the engine alone and snap at the slightest provocation. MANY of them were drawn and often even kitted without being prototyped at all.
Some are nice, but a lot are terrible.
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Hi Yee-Ha,

Here are my two Airkill planes, the Bearcat Conquest made up (sort of) in the American Jet Reno racing markings, and the P51-B model. They both have OS32SX power which pulls these small planes close to 150 mph (radar confirmed). I also have the Airkill P51 Strega kit still in the box.

A few years ago, our club made 1 attempt to pylon race 1/12th scale, but lack of interest killed the event. Oh well. Nevertheless, it was fun to race them the one time. We were limited to .25 size engines for the race, but we could use performance pipes. With the os25fx, the Bearcat was clocked at 125 mph.

Have someone else hand-launch them for you until you get comfortable with them. They will torque-roll left out of your hand, so be prepared. Once in the air, they fly great! I can yank them around pylons without fear of snap-roll. For landing, just throttle back, and keep the nose down. Once over the threshold, kill power and let it settle into the grass. Make sure the prop stops horizontally when you bolt it on or it might catch in the grass during landing (ask me how I know!).

Unfortunately, I believe that these kits are no longer available from Airkill.

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Hey those are nice looking planes. The Bearcat looks wicked fast!
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Yep, they are both quick. Actually, the P51-B is slightly faster, even with the motor and pipe hanging out in the breeze. I did streamline it a bit by cutting down the profile of the belly air-scoop.

Check out the size of the ailerons on the bearcat! At 125 - 145 mph you don't need much to get the small wings to roll !

These little planes are the definition of cheap speed.




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Hello,
Here is my 1/12 scaled Spitfire built from a French Magazin Plan.


There are a few combat events in France . What a pity!
What's your setup (1/12 sale combat) ?

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Nice gallery--here is a shot of the RCM Brad Shepard design P-40 B the WS is 33" plans show a 10 what do you guys think it has hung around a decade
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:48 PM
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Hey ya'll. For everybody intrested in this, swing over to the combat forum and check out the Airkill Aircraft thread. Got a good show and tell going there.
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I've had 2 Hawker Tempest II's from Ron Daniels [link]http://www.rwdrc.com/[/link]. They build quick & light and real nice fliers. Only problem is (Sorry Ron) they are a bit expensive to use for combat.

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ORIGINAL: yee-ha
I really like unique warbirds
yee-ha if u like a true rare warbird maybe u should try and find some commonwealth boomerang plans i seriosuly doubt there is any
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Well how about my P-40 as best!!! Why.....its never even flown
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