attwooddrow

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Can anyone help me. I have picked up some plans for a 80" wignspan BF 109. They are all in German. In the title block of the plans, it looks like the designers name, is Deutscher Jagdeinsitzer. Has anyone built a 109 off of these plans and is there a kit cutter that can cut the parts for me? I like the set up, it has plug in wings and the main gear are built into the fuselage. Any help would be great, Chris.

Prop Nut

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Hey Attwooddrow, the term Deutscher Jagdeinsitzer means German single seat fighter (Deutscher=german, Jag=fighter, Ein=one, Sitzer..seater, or seat)

I would love to see those plans myself though, I want to build a 109 "E" at the 80 inch size. Which 109 are the plans for?

attwooddrow

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As you can see, I really don't know German. Plans are for a G version. I have them in a TIF. format and can e-mail them to you. I am really hoping that someone cuts a kit for these plans, I just got done cutting 2 sets of Ziroli B25 parts and am not looking to cut anything for awhile.

Bill Jennings

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G'Day Prop Nut.
I have the same plans as Chris but in the E model. If you are interested let me know and we will nut somthing out.
Regards.
Bill.

attwooddrow

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Bill, have you found anyone who has built from these plans or a company who will cut a kit?

Bill Jennings

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No mate I don't know of anybody that has built from the plans. I am having a lot of trouble with the German translation. They seam to be accurate and well detailed and I am sure there would be one of the kit cutters in the US willing to do the job. I picked up a short kit for a Ziroli B25 from an outfit called R& J Precision Kit Cutting at 56 Wall St. Herculaneum, Mo 63048 and although I have not used it yet , it apperas to be good quality. They were willing to cut from any plans that I sent them. Might be worth a try. Let us know how you get on.
Regards.
Bill.

rrudytoo

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I have the .tif files for the E-3 and the K/G-10 in addition to the G-6 in print. The plans are from Aeronautica and are very detailed, indeed. However, note the thickness of the wing section. This doesn't look scale and may have been done to make a better flying model airplane.

Rather than burden yourselves with the German translation, just note the symbols for balsa, ply, etc. and go with it. The incidences are easy to figure and the metric conversions are, likewise, not an issue. Simply measure the wood thicknesses or the distances from the plan and take it from there. Anyone who has built from plans before will find this second nature.

My only question lies with a source for a canopy and spinner. I have those that are from an old Platt kit of the same scale but if I build more than one...............hmmm. The gear can be purchased from Lenny at Shinden Machine and it is first-rate. Jesse, alias "Laser Lizard", does a terrific job at cutting short kits and may be willing to do a discount if a group of us order at one time. Hey, I'm game!

Let's keep this post alive for a bit, guys. It would be fun to see one of these designs reach the building bench.

Al

Prop Nut

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I agree Al, having a "group" build online would be a great benefit to us all. I look forward to getting my hands on these plans. Bill (above) mentioned to me in a PM that the Meister Scale canopy is a good fit, and I am assuming the scoops, etc will fit and look right with a little alteration to match the "E" model (or go stock for the "G"), so that takes care of the biggest issue for me (hate vacuumforming).

rrudytoo

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Prop Nut,

The Meister Scale is a Gustav model with an 84" wingspan. With that in mind, the spinner would be wrong in both style and diameter and the canopy would be a smidge large. It's too bad that Dave Platt won't sell just the canopy because that is a spot-on fit. Maybe one of our more talented modelers could make up a plug and pull a run of canopies for a fair price. That would leave the spinner.

Al

Prop Nut

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I picked up a set of plans for the E model today. The spinner I am not too worried about, I can get one from Gene Barton. I had planned on boosting the size to around 84" anyway so I could make the canopy work just fine. I do have a friend that would vacuum form for me, I just hate to ask anyone to do something that I wouldnt.

Prop Nut

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On closer examination I agree with you Al, the canopy would be easier to build from scratch with sticks and flat plastic. This model is 1980mm or 78inches. I would want to enlarge mine to 84". This one is a bit complicated to cut out but I like some of the design aspects. The cowling is good and the hidden control system is pretty cool. I also like the retract location being in the bottom of the fuse with plugin wings. I am only learning German but the translation doesnt seem to be all that hard, most of it is pretty simple. With alot of German words they look long and scary but they really seem to be a whole sentence in one long word. So you break the sentence down to its components. The plane is actually one of those that I have had my eye on to model (ironic). A good reference on color schemes for the E model is Eric Mombeek's, (with David Wadman and Eddie Creek) JAGDWAFFE Luftwaffe Colours Volume Two section 1-4. These books cronicle the changes in the aircraft through the Battle of Britain.

wulf190

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David, Sent you a PM about the Emil plans.......I've been scoping out this project for a while now.....Yes---we're all interested in the 1/5 Emil--very rare to find one bigger than .60 sized it seems.

Prop Nut

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Hi Mike!

attwooddrow

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Hay guy's, been out for awhile. I also would be willing to go in on a short kit from Jesse. Got your PM PropNut, I'll try to e-mail you the G version TIFF's tonight. I have two homemade vacuum formers and could do the canopies. Let me know how many people we are taking about and lets get a hold of Jesse to see what he thinks.

Bill Jennings

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G'Day Chris.
Count me in for the short kit and the canopy.
Regards.
Bill.

Prop Nut

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I think I will cut my own, doesnt look that difficult.

Prop Nut

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FYI, I took the files to Kinkos this evening and had them printed out. I enlarged the images to 103% of thier original size to get 80". Worked great. They charge 9.00 per sheet. 36.00 isnt bad for a good set of plans. Compared to most that I have seen these are very good and pretty good scale. Also, most everything on the plans that is in Deutsch (German) are decals. So no translation is needed. Decals are denoted by the dotted box around the words. For anything else let me know, I translated the rest.

TomCrump

David, On your next visit to our field, could you bring these plans? I'd like to have a look at them. Could you bring the Meister 109G set, too ?

Prop Nut

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Hi Tom, thought I already had but I will check in the shop.

attwooddrow

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Thanks for the info David. Will have to do the same soon. The more I look at these plans, the more I can't wait to start them. I really like the set-up with the main gear and having a two piece wing. All my other 1/5 scale or larger plane I've had are one piece wings. Feel like I'm carrying a surf board.

Prop Nut

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Yes, with the wing center being part of the fuse, it makes it alot easier to mount the gear, much more scale, less fiddling with them. I like the scale details such as placement of decals, panel lines, etc. By the way, you dont actually need to go into a Kinko's to copy the plans. You can use thier online copy store. You upload the files, give any special instructions and choose to pick them up or have them mailed to you. Pretty convienent.

fockewulf37

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Gene Barton does have a spinner for the 84" ME-109E model. I converted the Meister 84" 109 to the E-model. Its really easy to do. You add one more ribs bay to the wing and make 1 former change to the nose...

Prop Nut

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That looks great Landrel, I mentioned above that you can get the spinner from Gene, its good to know that it matches the 84" 109 "E" so well. Your scheme looks great! Its very simular to the one that I am thinking of doing.

attwooddrow

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Great news guys. Thanks to Prop Nut, the 103% is just right for a 80" wignspan. The really good news is if you want the G or K versions, there is a web site that will be makeing a 80" composite 109. It will be out early next Spring. For you all that don't see the connection, this means we G & K builds have a way of getting a canopie & scale spinner. I did not see a E version on there web site.[] I hope this helps out some of us. Here is the site. www.fliteskin.com

Prop Nut

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Doesnt look like a problem for us, or most people. Thier price for the FW190 is 1800.00 for the basic parts. I would much rather build mine from plans and save the money for retracts, engine, etc.