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Old 08-21-2014, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by j301

For you electric converts, I was thinking this might be a great candidate to run electric due to the smallish nose. I really liked the way it flew, and can see electric being a great platform.
So here is what I need to know: I have a Castle Phoenix 125 I would like to use (and not spend $$$ on another controller) but its the older one that was only good for 3 to 6 cells. I need a motor that would work, with a little oomph to spare-always, with a 6 c limitation. I was thinking a Hacker A50-20L, as I have a line on one, but am worried the TF might be a bit heavy and need an 8 cell with this motor?
Also, on a budget, I was looking at a Turnigy SK3 5055-430kv from HK:
https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...dproduct=40690
and thought it might work as well, but again would need to be a 6 cell.
I don't know much about electric setups, what I do know I learned from my ownership of an FMS 1700 P-47. The plane weighed 11+ pounds and flew fine on the stock setup with a 5000mah 6s swinging a 17X6X4 prop. My P-51 weighs just over 10 pounds so I'm thinking that whatever setup is in the FMS 1700 P-47 would also work in the TF P-51 and would allow the use of a 4 blade prop.
Just my 2 cents.
http://www.motionrc.com/fms-p-47-sil...-wingspan-pnp/
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Originally Posted by j301
Looks good Poitivin!
I should unsubscribe this thread before it costs me another $350 (to start!), but I just can't seem to.
I sent the VVRC 20 back, Tom wanted to see it, I was going to put it on a 60 size stick to test it out, but am curious to see what he finds.

For you electric converts, I was thinking this might be a great candidate to run electric due to the smallish nose. I really liked the way it flew, and can see electric being a great platform.
So here is what I need to know: I have a Castle Phoenix 125 I would like to use (and not spend $$$ on another controller) but its the older one that was only good for 3 to 6 cells. I need a motor that would work, with a little oomph to spare-always, with a 6 c limitation. I was thinking a Hacker A50-20L, as I have a line on one, but am worried the TF might be a bit heavy and need an 8 cell with this motor?
Also, on a budget, I was looking at a Turnigy SK3 5055-430kv from HK:
https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/...dproduct=40690
and thought it might work as well, but again would need to be a 6 cell.

I'll let you know what Tom says about the 20cc when I get it back. Until then, I will just sit here jealous of all you TF P51 flyers....
I did an electric conversion and am using a setup of the Hacker A50-12L/E-Flite 80 amp esc on 6S, with a 17x10 APC thin electric prop. Plane weighed in at around 10.4lbs with the lipo installed, and I have been more than satisfied with the speed and vertical performance. I saw a youtube video of a guy who used this same type setup, and I was impressed with the way the Mustang flew, so I decided to go with it myself.

I built my first TF Mustang a few years ago with a Saito 125, and the performance of the electric setup seems pretty close to that of the Saito.
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Originally Posted by Sonicman
I did an electric conversion and am using a setup of the Hacker A50-12L/E-Flite 80 amp esc on 6S, with a 17x10 APC thin electric prop. Plane weighed in at around 10.4lbs with the lipo installed, and I have been more than satisfied with the speed and vertical performance. I saw a youtube video of a guy who used this same type setup, and I was impressed with the way the Mustang flew, so I decided to go with it myself.

I built my first TF Mustang a few years ago with a Saito 125, and the performance of the electric setup seems pretty close to that of the Saito.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I went ahead and bought the hacker motor and am going to give it a shot, couldn't argue with the price. I am planning on doing another mustang for sure, but am thinking of perhaps a lighter one for the electric. It's a couple of projects away, so no hurry deciding yet, but this time I think I will take my time and do the b/c model conversion and maybe some inner gear doors sense I bought the controller for the last one and got impatient!

Sonicman, what lipo's are you using (c rating/mah, etc?)
Old 08-25-2014, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by j301
Sonicman, what lipo's are you using (c rating/mah, etc?)
Zippy Flightmax 6S, 5000mah and 25c. I went with the 25c rating since I already had some of those lipos on hand, so don't know if a higher "c" rating would significantly improve performance.
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Originally Posted by Sonicman
Zippy Flightmax 6S, 5000mah and 25c. I went with the 25c rating since I already had some of those lipos on hand, so don't know if a higher "c" rating would significantly improve performance.
Thanks, I was guessing a 5000 mah with a 25 to 35 c rating.
Old 09-15-2014, 01:51 PM
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Almost There!
Made a few changes in the cockpit and a side hatch for the power dual switch

Done with the side hatch and looks good!



Heading now to the muffler section as am thinking to use a flex tube with a right angle adapter for an inside cowl setup
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:50 PM
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That looks good, great job on the hatch. Its posts like this that make it hard to be good and stick to the builds I have...(my wallet says no, but my heart says....)
Old 09-16-2014, 06:32 AM
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Hi guys,
I just bought Top-Flite P-51 which was converted to P-51B. It’s beautiful. (It’s a .60 series)
Now I need engine and I want go with Gas.
I understand the airplane was not design for Gas. From your experience is it an issue or I should put epoxies on the firewall and that it?
Second question is the engine size. I called Tower hobby, thinking the DLE 20 CC will do the work and they recommend not buying it. it will not fit. They recommend OS 15 CC.
Please advise which engine size will fit the airplane.
Thank you
Meir
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Originally Posted by fastbullitt
Hi guys,
I just bought Top-Flite P-51 which was converted to P-51B. It’s beautiful. (It’s a .60 series)
Now I need engine and I want go with Gas.
I understand the airplane was not design for Gas. From your experience is it an issue or I should put epoxies on the firewall and that it?
Second question is the engine size. I called Tower hobby, thinking the DLE 20 CC will do the work and they recommend not buying it. it will not fit. They recommend OS 15 CC.
Please advise which engine size will fit the airplane.
Thank you
Meir
Lots of people here using the DLE 20, you just have to be very mindful of cooling.
Old 09-16-2014, 07:17 AM
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No problem with the DLE 20, like J3 said cooling is the issue and no extended ground runs with the cowl on. They just want to sell you a more expensive engine.
Old 09-16-2014, 07:22 AM
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When you say cooling, do i need to destroy the cowling? i want keep it nice and clean as possible.
Anyone have a picture with FLE 20 on a P-51 .60 series?
Thanks a lot a guys
Old 09-16-2014, 07:32 AM
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My advice before you buy the DLE is to go back thru the thread and look at some of the photo's of the planes that have the DLE 20. Like they say "a picture is worth a thousand words".
Old 09-16-2014, 07:47 AM
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go back to the earlier posts by RBean and others. you will need to provide ducted air over the head and have sufficiant exhaust area for the hot air to exit.
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I'm still up to setup the muffler with a possible flex tube but I decided for a Saito FG17. This is how it looks

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Old 09-16-2014, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by raptureboy
No problem with the DLE 20, like J3 said cooling is the issue and no extended ground runs with the cowl on. They just want to sell you a more expensive engine.
No kidding, the first time I saw their gassers (along with the price tag) I finally figured out what OS stood for.... "Oh - $#!+ !"
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I just looked up the specs on that OS15, its heavier then the 61 FX 2c glow (32 vs 24 oz respectively) it looks like its made from (or the punched out 91fx, which is the 15's displacement) with roughly the same power. I'm sure it would be enough to fly the plane, but with the extra wt, and the extra wt of another battery, not sure it would be a whole lot of fun.
Old 09-16-2014, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Poitivin
I'm still up to setup the muffler with a possible flex tube but I decided for a Saito FG17. This is how it looks


Good choice, you will love that engine. I have the FG-11 in my T-Clips and it purrs. 12 ounce tank will last about 40-60 minutes. It will sound Purrfect in this plane. I have the FA 100 GK in mine and when I flew it, plenty of power and sounded great.
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I pulled out of a dive and leveled out at 50 feet on the far edge of the runway. Suddenly....BOOM. I flew through another airplane going the opposite direction. We couldn't do that in a 100 times if we were trying. The right wing was vaporized in the the air and the rest of the damage was when it hit the ground. Luckily no damage to the engine or spinner. Most spectacular mid-air I've ever seen.
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Old 09-16-2014, 01:21 PM
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That'll buff right out!
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Originally Posted by radfordc
I pulled out of a dive and leveled out at 50 feet on the far edge of the runway. Suddenly....BOOM. I flew through another airplane going the opposite direction. We couldn't do that in a 100 times if we were trying. The right wing was vaporized in the the air and the rest of the damage was when it hit the ground. Luckily no damage to the engine or spinner. Most spectacular mid-air I've ever seen.
Do you guys fly a pattern at your field?
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Ay, chihuahua! ​What a hit,,, what a bummer!
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Hi Guys,
need some advice. I bought the DLE 20CC. what battery (LiPo) do you recommend for the ignition, and I need recommendation for Gas tank (Fuel) that fit in the P-51.
Thanks in advance
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Part number will be great in case you have one.
Thanks again, Meir
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Originally Posted by flyrcjets
Do you guys fly a pattern at your field?
No, we don't. We normally only have 2 planes in the air at the most.
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J301, I had a cooling problem with a DLE 20 with a pitts muffler. It turned out to be vapor lock because the pitts muffler can was right under the carb and not enough air flow in the upper rear cowl area. I used old flexible muffler ducting from the scoop below the spinner, above the motor mounts and back to even with front of carb. Then an air dam to create low pressure area to help hot air exit. See pictures not elegant but it works. I have almost 300 flights on this plane now, no heating problems.
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