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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Happy Holidays to everyone.

    I had some time off work this week and started painting my spitfire. I am using KlassKote paints with a Thayer Chandler Vega 2000 airbrush. Standard European theater camo scheme. It's been cool here in Northern California and I was concerned about painting in 45 degree F temperatures. The paint is rated for application at 50-120F, so I called KlassKote and the owner said it would be alright, but would take a lot longer to cure. The paint can be thinned slightly more when painting at these temperatures, but too much and it will run, so it's tricky. I used equal parts (1/3 each) of color, catalyst and reducer and that ratio worked well. One day it was even colder, so I added a little more reducer (thinner) and the paint sprayed fine.

    Pic #1: my painting tent in my garage
    Pic #2: some of the under wing components after painting with medium sea grey
    Pic #3: one of the radiators after medium sea grey
    Pic #4: one of the wheel wells
    Pic #5: close up of panel lines and rivets on bottom of wing

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Continuing on:

    Pic #6: masking off wing and fuselage
    Pic #7: ocean grey applied
    Pics #8 & #9: masking off for dark green
    Pic #10: dark green applied
    Pic #11: paint masks removed
    Pic #12: camo looking better after some touch up. Cannons also painted.

    Overall I am very happy with the KlassKote paint. It sprayed fine with an airbrush and covered well, even for a beginner like me. Now I need to fix some over-spray that I found on the underside of the wing. Then I will start painting the markings.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Looks great!

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    I agree looks real nice.

    Congrats!

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Happy New Year to everyone. I wish you all the best in 2013.

    So, made some more progress on my spitfire. I had ordered some RAF Trainer Yellow in KlassKote paint and after opening the can, I wasn't sure I liked the color. After doing some additional research and looking at many different photos of full size spitfires, I decided to use Insignia Yellow FS 33538 for the recognition stripes on the leading edge of the wing. I didn't want to wait to order more KlassKote paint, so I used some Testors Model Master Insignia Yellow FS 33538 that I had and it worked just fine. The difference between Insignia Yellow and RAF Trainer Yellow can be seen in the first picture below. The RAF Trainer Yellow is more orange and the many photos I looked at had a yellow that looks like Insignia Yellow.

    Pic #1: Insignia Yellow on the left, RAF Trainer Yellow on the right
    Pic #2: Leading edge masked and painted
    Pic #3: Masking removed
    Pic #4: Some of the reference books I have been using for construction, features, color and markings. They are all very useful and used copies can be purchased from Amazon.com for very reasonable prices.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Can't wait to see it in person Ed. Your hard work shows and it looks great. Like you your choice of the yellow looks more correct too me. You will have the fun of putting it back together soon by the looks of it. Hope to see it soon.
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Looks great Ed. Now you must tell me how you marked out the strips. I tried a few different ideas and still ended up with a below average effort and like I said I will have to do them again. Mine are uneven and too thin. At least now I have a datum to go by.
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Hi Brad,

    For the recognition stripes I noticed in many of the photographs that the stripes get thinner towards the end of the wing. So, after playing with a few test pieces of paper, I made a set of paper jigs that wrap around the leading edge of the wing and have marks on them. The widest jig was 24 mm with a center mark and marks at at +12 and - 12mm from the center mark. Thus, when the center mark was aligned to the center of the leading edge of the wing, the jig would wrap around the top and bottom of the wing and provide marks at 12mm on each the top and bottom. I then made a mark on the top and bottom of the wing at those locations. I made a series of jigs: 24mm; 21mm; 18mm; 15mm and 12mm wide. So, the yellow recognition line is 24mm wide at the widest part and 12mm at the narrowest part near the wing tip. I used some 3M masking tape that is designed to provide a sharp edge for painting and ran it along the marks, then curving it near the tip. I introduced a slight curve in the tape between the marks to match the wing. I thought about this for a day or so until I figured out a way to do it and I like the result. It looks very similar to the full scale pictures I have. Not sure if this answers your question, but if not let me know and I will be happy to provide more information. I would happily provide a picture of my jigs, but I discarded the jigs in the trash after I was done with the recognition stripes.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Brad if you are suffering from poor edges when you are masking you can try this tip, if it applies.

    Igot this from plastic car scale modelers and have used on my plastic models and on my flying ones. First clean the area to be painted, usually something like window cleaner does the trick, the smoother the surface being masked the better, most of what we flying types mask are semigloss or semi matt, these mask ok most of the time, but things can go bad and some paint creeps under. What has worked well for me is to clean, mask and then using my airbrush spray a couple of very light coats of clear along the edges. Typically I will use laquers or acrylic as they dry fast and I also try to match the sheen of the gloss to the surface. Thin coats is the key and what we are looking for is the clear to bleed under then seal any gap. Apply the colour after the clear has dried and remove the masks. Hopefully you will get a nice clean line.

    Good luck,

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.


    ORIGINAL: warks62

    Can't wait to see it in person Ed. Your hard work shows and it looks great. Like you your choice of the yellow looks more correct too me. You will have the fun of putting it back together soon by the looks of it. Hope to see it soon.

    Randy,

    I can't thank you enough for all the advice that you've given me during this build. Everything from fiberglassing using the West Systems epoxy resin to painting. It really helps to be able to talk to someone with a lot of experience.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Ok, Got my first Spit (soon to have a yellow kit...)....
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Greetings to All,

    Can someone please confirm the correct color of the squadron insignia on the fuselage, e.g., DWE? Is it sky, sometimes referred to as "duck egg", like the spinner and white band around the rear of the fuselage, or is it some other white?

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    I made some more progress this week on my spitfire. I painted the roundels on the top of the wing! Getting closer...

    Pic #1: inner red circle masked and painted. After the paint dried, I was concerned that I had the wrong shade of red, but I am using RAF Roundel Red from KlassKote paints and after checking the dried paint against many pictures in my books, it looks right. It's kind of a crimson red, not a bright red.
    Pic #2: paint masks applied to cover the red centers. Almost ready for blue paint
    Pic #3: surrounding areas covered. I cover with both .8mil plastic sheet and newspaper to avoid any overspray
    Pic #4: blue sprayed and mask removed. I have roundels!
    Pic #5: right side of wing and the colors look right! Whew!
    Pic #6: closeup of left top side

    I am using paint masks from getstencils.com and I have found them easy to use. I like their product.

    I would say that the roundels came out 99.5% perfect. I have three very small spots where the paint bled through, but they are all at locations where I had a feature, such as a rivet or a panel line, so this isn't the fault of the mask. On a smooth surface, the masks would create a perfect line. I think I will manually touch these up with a very small paint brush.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Nice work !
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Per "The Official Camouflage, Colours and Markings of REAF aircraft, 1939-1945" the squadron letters were to be 48" high and the color was to be sky grey which is a light grey color. For sure not Sky also known as duck egg blue.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.


    ORIGINAL: Duplicator41

    Per "The Official Camouflage, Colours and Markings of REAF aircraft, 1939-1945" the squadron letters were to be 48" high and the color was to be sky grey which is a light grey color. For sure not Sky also known as duck egg blue.

    Cheers,
    Also the band at the rear is Sky and not white
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.


    ORIGINAL: Duplicator41


    ORIGINAL: Duplicator41

    Per ''The Official Camouflage, Colours and Markings of REAF aircraft, 1939-1945'' the squadron letters were to be 48'' high and the color was to be sky grey which is a light grey color. For sure not Sky also known as duck egg blue.

    Cheers,
    Also the band at the rear is Sky and not white
    Thanks, so Sky it is then for both the spinner and the band around the rear of the fuselage. KlassKote doesn't have anything close to sky grey, but Testors has some model masters colors in light grey. Here are some of the colors they offer>http://www.testors.com/category/5731...tandard_Colors

    and here is the light grey>http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHM90&P=7

    I will probably pick up a bottle and put some on paper to see how it looks.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Flyfast.

    I cross referenced the Sky Grey in the IPMS color color cross reference guide. The exact match is F.S. 36373. Those plastic modeller guys are fanatics when it comes to color.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Flyfast1, What is that you used to outline you camo in picture 1 on post 1675 and where can I get it. Thanks
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Ram, its paint barrier used on the door jambs etc of cars. It's a foam tape with one side sticky, that comes in rolls. I bought some several years ago, works really well. Try a real auto paint store, they should have it
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    That's it Bob, thanks. Here is the exact name of the product that I used:

    3M 06297 1/2" x 54 Yards Soft Edge Foam Masking Tape

    I think I found a roll on ebay for a good price. I liked using it because it created a soft edge for the paint.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.


    ORIGINAL: Duplicator41

    Flyfast.

    I cross referenced the Sky Grey in the IPMS color color cross reference guide. The exact match is F.S. 36373. Those plastic modeller guys are fanatics when it comes to color.

    Cheers,

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    Andy,

    Thanks so much for your help. This is great.

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Thanks.
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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    Woh,,, finally back from holidays and ready to do some work on my models. Good to see lots of good Spitfire discussion on the thread while I have been slacking.
    Ed and AZThud, thanks for your tips to get me right with my leading edge stripes. I'll do a little sanding and marking out AND priming before painting this WBC yellow.
    Duplicator that is good info on the FS colour for the markings and bands and I will defiantly use this colour if I put any squadron codes on my Spitfire. I actually used white for my markings as my machine I depicted did not see service in main land Europe and was stationed 'at home' doing test and development duties. These Spitfires did not have squadron markings like their brothers taking the fight and I have read that they carried white fuselage bands. (Must find that info) Also see this http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/red...19to24bg_1.htm a decal review from a very reputable source on some RAAF Mk XIV squadrons in the ETO at the end of the war. Not saying there were too many Spitfires dressed in white but there were some.

    Cheers guys, good work all round. Ed, wing looks great. InboundLZ, are you going to do a bubble canopy?

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    RE: The complete YELLOW AIRCRAFT SPITFIRE thread.

    No arguement from me on the white Brad. My source for color and markings for Ozzie Spits is "Spitfire Markings of the RAAF part 1 and II" These are Kookaburra publications. In fact My BT MkVIII will be done as Wing Commander Clive Caldwell's Spitfire. All the markings and wing leading edges on it were white.

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