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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    what about the Tiger meet scheme? Very colourful!
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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    what about the Tiger meet scheme? Very colourful!
    Would have to see several different ones before I make up my mind.
    Have not been idle even though the weather has been icey.[] Have done the undercoating filling and priming of the flying stabs and rudder. Got out the heat lamps and used warm water. At least I can sit down in front of the fire and watch the tube while I ballance the Flying Stabs. They are now in the final white primer ready for the top coat after a wet rub down with 1200 paper.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Still working on the glass and paint. Got the rudder and flying stabs ready for top coat. The wings are taking a bit of time as I have to wait for the epoxy to set properly before sanding. Should be able to get them into primer this week. I will start on the fuse after the wings are done as that way I know where I am upto.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Started on the wings today[&o] Will need another guide coat and more rubbing before I look at starting the painting. Some good news the motor should be here by the end of the week (maybe) in customs according to the importer.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    HI Ghost,
    great to see that you're getting on with your Byron F16. I too have one of these kits stored in my garage that I bought
    in the late 90's when ducted fan was all the rage. Unfortunately there were some bits that I never bought back then
    and they are now as rare as hens teeth - does anyone have the F16 Rhom-air retract mounts, byron tuned pipe or
    byron starter wand that they would be willing to part with for a fair price ??

    Keep up the great work - even though the F16 is a 20 year old kit I still think it will be a very impressive model when finished

    Regards
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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Hi Nev, Yep I have all that but not ready to give them up just yet. Nib Rossi (Byrorossi) 91 only mounted in Fan unit once, header(x2) 1 cut down for correct pipe length, Pipe and mount(Byron), Starter wand with several sockets of different sizes. Have it all sitting the fuse packing box stacked away for a rainy day Will wait and see how it goes on electric before making up my mind on what to do with it all.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    I have the byron tuned pipe sitting at home if your interested. it came of a rossi .61. not sure if they made different sized tuned pipes for the different engines.

    Pm me if your interested.

    Thanks

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Great news. Just had a phone call from the importer, Motor is on the way. Now just have to wait on Aussie Post[:@]

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build


    ORIGINAL: The Ghost

    Great news. Just had a phone call from the importer, Motor is on the way. Now just have to wait on Aussie Post[:@]

    Cheers

    well that will be an excersise in frustration! [:'(]
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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Peter, Especially since it only takes 3 days to get stuff from HongKong. I was told maybe next Tuesday, I won't hold my breath.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    I wouldn't, I know my customers always blue about how long it takes to get within country, of course they think I can wave a magic wand and make it arrive faster once I have posted!
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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Peter, Yea I know. I don't worry about it any more. If I can't do it today there will always be tommorow if I wake up.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Woo Hoo

    Aussie post out did itself. It arrived today. Now to work out how I will set it up. What can I say about the quality,UNBEILEVABLE, VERY SMOOTH. You get's what you pay for.

    Now to work out weather to replace the shaft with a longer one, or make an extension, or to mod the Byron stator housing.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Hi Dave,
    I sent you a pm regarding your Byron tuned pipe. I don't know much about pipes - does anyone else know if the same
    Byron tuned pipe was meant to suit a range of engines. ? My old Byron catalogue doesn't mention different sizes of pipes.

    Ghost,
    if you decide to sell your header, pipe and starter wand please let me know. Out of interest what thrust do you think you'll
    get from the electric fan setup ? - the catalog quotes an os77 with Bryo-jet produces 12.5lb static thrust and that the f16
    without fuel should weigh 12 lbs (bit unrealistic I think !)

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Hey Nevster,

    I still have to measure the tuned pipe for you... I hurt my back somehow and have been out of action for a little bit...

    I've had a birthday since my last post and with the ensuing gifts of cash, i've ordered the hacker and the adaptor plate for my F-16 so they were the last items i needed to get her to fly with fixed gear. After sending a few back to back emails to Ironbay, they finally responded and i have paided for the canopy too. So i better start working on her!!!

    I went with the tried and tested hacker A50-14s but i'll be watching your progress Ghost to see how yours goes.

    Still trying to chase up some retracts and it has been suggested that the FJM retracts might not be the best solution. but without the original retract mounts.... i'm going to have to modify the fuse to suit either way.

    Thanks

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    if you decide to sell your header, pipe and starter wand please let me know.
    Nevster, No prob, you will get first dibs. The 91 spun the fan at around 19.500-21.000rpm and flue the aircraft great, so if that can be repelcated I will be happy.

    I went with the tried and tested hacker A50-14s but i'll be watching your progress Ghost to see how yours goes.
    Will be replacing the shaft and setting up differently to the setup you will be using. Be careful with that setup as that hacker is not designed for end thrust, but they have been used in the US with out a problem. Would have to oil the bearings after every couple of flignts. The way the retracts mount ,You wont have to mod the fuse much, only 4 holes each side.
    Dave, I know about the back thing, I broke 4 vertebrate, 2 in lower back and 2 in neck 26 years ago, hope it gets better soon.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Back to the waiting again. Ordered a couple of bearings and some shaft material. Just have to wait on the post again[&o] Have already drawn up the addapters that I need to fit the motor to the Byron stator shroud. May start machining them tommorow after I get back from the Dr's. Photo, Basic Drawings

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Hi Dave,
    I'm also after the Rhom Air retract mounts - I emailed Iron Bay with the adapter kit part number but never go a response from them.
    From what I can tell the adapter is just a bent peice of aluminim formed arond the retracts then bolted to the wing.
    Aparently there is then a thin spreader bar that joins each retract unit together.

    How did you manage to get a response from Iron Bay ??



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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Started on the machining on my old tried and tested 1930's lathe.

    From what I can tell the adapter is just a bent peice of aluminim formed arond the retracts then bolted to the wing.
    Aparently there is then a thin spreader bar that joins each retract unit together.
    nevster, they mount on reinforced pads just infront of the fan mount former on the lower half of the fuse. 3rd photo outside of fuse, 4th photo inside of fuse, the mount looks like it is made out of 1/8" alloy.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Finished machining the rear mount, front mount machined, just waiting[] for the bearings and shaft to turn up before finish machining the center of the front mount.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Hi All

    Not a lot happening, still waiting on parts, so still doing the prep work for paint. Just wanted to know, The people that have built this model before, did you keep the moulded in panel lines or did you fill them? I am not looking for an exact scale look just a good looking F16.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    that is very nice work you are doing there, I wish I had to skills to machine like that. Well done!
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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    Thanks Peter, I got the lathe in the late 70's. Its what was called a Toolmakers lathe, 2' bed with a 4" throw. Don't even look at the nunbers on it any more, all done by feel, on my 3rd motor for power, its been used that much.

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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    last time I used a lathe was back in 1971 when I was doing metal work at school. Dont think they even teach those subjects now
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    RE: Electric Byron F-16 Build

    That is how I made a living(toolmaker). I know what you mean about the school stuff. The high school I went to don't even have metalwork or woodwork class anymore. I think it may be something to do with insurance or is it just the throw away society we have become, no one fixes anything anymore.

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