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Ziroli 124" F4U-5N Corsair Build

Old 05-15-2009, 07:49 PM
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i do the exact same thing but im not going to sell any thing for at least 5 years the rents are real good around here they average 1300 on a 85 thousand investment it easily pays for themselves, just once id like to get all the rents on time without bouncing.
iv waiting to close on a short sale 75 thousand for a house that sold for 185 two years ago
Old 05-15-2009, 09:03 PM
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Check out the Zalach Motor radial engines on the Troy Built Model website. They have introduced a 420 5 cylinder and an 800 7 cylinder. On by the way, lets not forget that the economic mess that the country in now in was inherited by this current administration, it was not created by him/ President Obama. So please, let's be fair and give credit for this mess to the party that deserves it.
Old 05-15-2009, 09:19 PM
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http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/VAL420R.html

nice, moki supose to be coming out with a 600
Old 05-16-2009, 02:05 AM
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The 7-cylinder Seidels  costs just 995,- EUROS. It looks like O.S. and Saitoradial where hit by that news and soon droped their prices a couple ofEUROs. At least in Europe. Some people rushed to sell their old Seidelsin Ebay as well. As long as the news had not spread.
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the sidels are small, that 800 would have no problem pulling an ultralite
Old 05-16-2009, 07:41 AM
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rack you could draw up a list of prices from the most 'economically to most'expensive radial engine manufacturer ... and understand a level ofperformance and price than most 'convenient ...
Old 05-16-2009, 09:07 AM
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the st 770 swings a 24 inc prop, produces 4 horse power the moki 400 swings a 42inc prop and produces over 20 horse now do you see why ones cheaper than the other
Old 05-16-2009, 09:31 AM
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ok..... I hours Rack thanks for the info .... time ago 'in another forum,I opened a thread on its own this kind of morori (cost, weight,performance) ... post the link here ..... sorry if and Italian but togive an idea of costs and the type of radial ... http://www.baronerosso.net/forum/aeromodellismo-volo-scoppio/105278-motori-stellari-buon-prezzo.html
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http://www.baronerosso.net/forum/aer...on-prezzo.html '
I'M sorry but i have an problem which browser...
Old 05-16-2009, 12:16 PM
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For the money, the Moki/RCS 250 has good power and should fly the 1/4 scale Corsair with authority. I most recently installed a 250 on my 54lbs Yak 54 and was really surprised how well in flew the plane at 50% throttle. Though the engine is not intended for 3D aerobatic flight, I think it will be prefect for scale warbird flying. Also, since TBM had an introductory price on the RCS/Moki radials, it made it a bit easier to write the check.
Old 05-16-2009, 12:27 PM
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It seems it's always better in Illinois and thats why people live there and make the big bucks and then retire in Wisconsin! It just aint fair. What does a State line have to do with economics?

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ORIGINAL: David Jackson

For the money, the Moki/RCS 250 has good power and should fly the 1/4 scale Corsair with authority. I most recently installed a 250 on my 54lbs Yak 54 and was really surprised how well in flew the plane at 50% throttle. Though the engine is not intended for 3D aerobatic flight, I think it will be prefect for scale warbird flying. Also, since TBM had an introductory price on the RCS/Moki radials, it made it a bit easier to write the check.
if you add a pump it will greatly improve your throttle response making it much more suitable for aerobatics
Old 05-16-2009, 01:04 PM
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Aren't we getting off the subject a bit. It's alright now but once I start to build I'd like to stay on the topic. That is if I ever get my kit and my Door. rack when I had this other modeler blow up my plans the firewall came out oblong and the wingspan is off an 1". Is this normal or did he use the wrong type enlargement or copy machine? Let me know. If there is something wrong can you blow up a set for me if I send you the original Ziroli plans? It is supposed to be blown up 33.3%!!!

Thanks for your cooperation in advance,

Barry
Old 05-16-2009, 01:39 PM
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ya thats common, just check dimensions and that the lines are straight, and any mirrored parts are the same.
you should see what happens to 1/12 th scale when you blow it up to 1/4
Old 05-16-2009, 02:09 PM
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rack,

What dimensions are you refering to? I measured the wing and it is almost 1" smaller than the kit I'm getting because my kit cutter blew them up 33.3% using his cad sytem and then scanned and modified them so they would come out perfect. He even enlarged the dimensions of the wood for the notches like longerlons and spars so I can buy regular size wood instead of me modifying the straight stock, etc., to fit the notches and so on. How can I build over the plans if the dimensions are wrong? My kit cutter is going to make me a layout drawing for the wing and fuse so I can use his to build by. I am paying this other modeler $117.00 for what I think are plans I can't use. I am supposed to send copies of the fuse ribs and firewall to a builder and his wife that make custom parts like cowls and canopies for a few people and I was lucky enough to find them. If I send them the copies off the plan everything will come out wrong and I'll be out more money on parts I can't use. BTW do you still want to buy a canopy from Tiger Models from me. I have one for sale. I'll let you have it for $125.00. This is the one with the riveted aluminum frame. The one for sale hasn't been cut yet! I paid $150.00 each plus shipping.

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Old 05-16-2009, 02:38 PM
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in general if something is a little long or short it shouldn't matter, just make sure like the right stab and the left stab are the same , same for the wing.

you should hold off on getting parts made ahead of time . you should send them a template of the firewall after you sheet it , this way it will beexact , you will have to work threw the plans.its just a basic out line you may have to bo some tweeking but it will work

alot of the wood you can make yourself, i saw up clear tight grain pine when i cant get good spruce, its good for spars and stringers a cheap table saw is good enough for this and iv found horizon generally has the best deal on bulk sheeting.
that canopy should work on yours along with the cowl at least for mock up
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The cowl is now going to be 14 11/16" but I will take your advise on making a template first instead of the 13 11/16" like the Don Smith cowl. It's larger by1". Partially due to the enlargementand the design.I don't think the Ziroli Corsair tapers as much in the front of the fuselage. I'm hoping because the canopy was really a bit to big for the DSCorsair that it might fit the larger Ziroli. I have my fingers crossed that the canopies will fit the larger Ziroli Corsair because Graham at TMdid a magnificent job of making them for me. What is the real wing span of your XXLCorsair and the cowl diameter? It is advertised as 122.8"I think.So that is just a little over an1" less than mine will be at 124" so maybe it will fit because he made it from an XXL canopy he modified to be for his F4U-5NXXLCorsair named "Annie-Mo".

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Barry, For what ever reason??? You have a large complex. And to top that off. You're a whiner. You don't do any research. You expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.



Deal with what you have. 



Or are you going to blow up some giant scale T/F plans next and see how that works for ya?



Sorry, But this song and dance is getting very old.



I'm off to my Polka lessons now.



Peace Out!

Old 05-16-2009, 05:12 PM
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BM,

You don't have to read my thread if you don't want to. I'm certainly not forcing you to and I'm not asking you for anything. Why don't we keep the personalities and rude remarks off the thread this time.

Thanks,

Barry
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Simple answer.



A person's personality, is a direct reflection of what type of builder they are.



Some are bull headed. But they solve problem's presented to them. Cussing it the whole time. But, hey they get it done.



Some are care free and deal with it. Solving the problems, presented them.While laughing the whole time.(which is my fav!)

Some are a combination of both.


And then, We have option four.



Some are whiners! And decide to blame everythingor everyone else. These people, never accomplish anything. Other than a bad rep!!!



Now I 'm going to watch the Monster Truck race. After all. bigger is better! right???

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Putz,



You forgot option five



And some are just jerks. All you need to do to see one is go look in a mirror.





Dave

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comon you guys, give him a break.
hes starting out right , it takes a hell of alot of money to build one of these things and having to scrap one and start over and do it publicly ,well?
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I heard from my kit cutter yesterday and he said that there has been a delay because of making the build drawings. It is going to be another week before he can ship it. rack, I am doing this publicly because I want everyone out there that tried to help me to know that because of my being stubborn caused me to scrap a plane. Everyone has their faults and I think that situation has humbled me a lot. I am wanting any help and advice I can get on this one. Then I can decide what is the best course of action. You have been helpful and I appreciate it.

Barry

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The kit will be shipped at the end of the week or Monday at the latest! Here are the cad drawings of my custom F4U-5N Corsair's cowl that will be approx. 14 11/16" in diameter and the reshapoed and heithened canopy with a frame applied. The cowl flaps will be molded in the open position so it will be easy to cut them if I decide to make them operational.

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Old 05-18-2009, 08:46 PM
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how are these guys going to make your cowl

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