Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
09-09-2010, 07:05 PM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
Wolfie,
Why should we have all the aggravatio...err fun...lol Seriously in todays world of ARF's even BAD scale modeling is better and more fulfilling than slapping some already covered parts together. The aggravation leads to the overall enjoyment when you figure out something after scratching your head for an hour or 2 and watching the project slowly come together (sometimes tooooo slowly) and getting to stand back and admire your handy work.
I took my almost finished P-38 to the field a couple of months ago, I am not particularly happy with the way it turned out but hearing the guys and watching them drool just showed me that if you can do something they can't or won't do for whatever reason a nice feeling of accomplishment washes over you.
Good luck with the project, the Skyraider is one of my 4 or 5 favorite planes.
Larry
Why should we have all the aggravatio...err fun...lol Seriously in todays world of ARF's even BAD scale modeling is better and more fulfilling than slapping some already covered parts together. The aggravation leads to the overall enjoyment when you figure out something after scratching your head for an hour or 2 and watching the project slowly come together (sometimes tooooo slowly) and getting to stand back and admire your handy work.
I took my almost finished P-38 to the field a couple of months ago, I am not particularly happy with the way it turned out but hearing the guys and watching them drool just showed me that if you can do something they can't or won't do for whatever reason a nice feeling of accomplishment washes over you.
Good luck with the project, the Skyraider is one of my 4 or 5 favorite planes.
Larry
09-10-2010, 02:46 PM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
Happy to have another builder jump in here. I look forward to your photos and updates. My update is NOTHING! I am waiting for the weather to force me into the basement to finish the AD5 wings. Hope to take out my SBD to Quakertown tomorrow. I installed a two battery system and my new 2.4 radio. My hope is to take it to Warbirds Over NJ. I was also thinking about taking the SBD to Warbirds Over Chinago Bridge on October 2.
So, keep us posted on you Skyraider build!
SBD
So, keep us posted on you Skyraider build!
SBD
09-10-2010, 09:30 PM
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I am with you SBD. Keep us posted jimwolfjr. Like you SBD, day light savings is about to come to a close, and I will be looking for my build shop to pass the long evenings with no sunshine. Charlie how are you coming with your latest build? Ordered some AD-5 materials last week in prep for the building to start up.
Did any of you ever see this add? http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=663002 It was a Kellogg AD-5 build for sale.
Steve
Did any of you ever see this add? http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=663002 It was a Kellogg AD-5 build for sale.
Steve
09-19-2010, 12:15 PM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
OK the fun is over!!! I am having a brainfart... Sierra Tail Gear.. Mount for the air cylinder. I can not get the geometry right I guess. Using the cylinder that came with the gear. If I mount it to get full extension, then I cant get full retraction, and viceversa. Any help would be appreciated...
Thanks... Wolfie
Thanks... Wolfie
09-20-2010, 10:16 AM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
Wolfie
I Just remembered that you are building the Z raider. I made the cylinder mount attach to the top portion of F-10. When the tail wheel is retracted, half of the wheel should hang below the fuselage. I hope the attached photo helps.
You might want to check the Z raider build on rcscalebuilder.
Charlie
I Just remembered that you are building the Z raider. I made the cylinder mount attach to the top portion of F-10. When the tail wheel is retracted, half of the wheel should hang below the fuselage. I hope the attached photo helps.
You might want to check the Z raider build on rcscalebuilder.
Charlie
09-21-2010, 01:34 AM
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Update on AD-5 Skyraider,
I received some needed materials last week for my wing construction. As much as I hate to see it, the flying season is coming to a close, but the building season is just beyond. I posted some pics of my newly manufactured scale wheel assemblies. I am using Robart rubber, and this will be one of my new Flight Leader Warbird line items. All items are prototype at this point, but will be available in the future.
I received some needed materials last week for my wing construction. As much as I hate to see it, the flying season is coming to a close, but the building season is just beyond. I posted some pics of my newly manufactured scale wheel assemblies. I am using Robart rubber, and this will be one of my new Flight Leader Warbird line items. All items are prototype at this point, but will be available in the future.
09-27-2010, 02:35 PM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
Nice wheels!!!!
I know this is not a Skyraider but I finally had my maiden flight on my SBD. We were at the field in Quakertown, PA where the hold Warbirds Over PA. It was a very successful day the only problem was the gear did not go up due to a air leak at the filler valve. Here is a link to the you tube video, hope you all enjoy.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRpH59mL2B8
Hopefully she will be flying at Chenango Bridge on October 2nd.
Later,
Fran
I know this is not a Skyraider but I finally had my maiden flight on my SBD. We were at the field in Quakertown, PA where the hold Warbirds Over PA. It was a very successful day the only problem was the gear did not go up due to a air leak at the filler valve. Here is a link to the you tube video, hope you all enjoy.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRpH59mL2B8
Hopefully she will be flying at Chenango Bridge on October 2nd.
Later,
Fran
10-17-2010, 08:54 PM
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Now that we are nearing the end of a great flying season I wanted to share a video from our Warbird flying field. This is the home of the Military & Vintage Aircraft Association’s (MVAA) new site, Area 51. RCU’s Maser, with the Platt T-28 build http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_93...tm.htm#9325558
and I were out sporting our planes this morning at the field. We are expecting our first freeze in Oklahoma this week, so we thought we should take advantage of what we have left of the season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOYm1pCVCJc
See you all at the build tables soon.
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and I were out sporting our planes this morning at the field. We are expecting our first freeze in Oklahoma this week, so we thought we should take advantage of what we have left of the season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOYm1pCVCJc
See you all at the build tables soon.
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Warbirds 2011
10-17-2010, 09:08 PM
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Thought I would share more pics with you guys. First my son suffered his first accident. Actually I was on the sticks with him, but before I new it the T-28 was in a 45 degree inverted dive about 50 feet off of the ground. I have the control throws set at 30 present, so knew it would not roll out in time and went for an inverted push, but to late. Vertical fin contacted the ground and slammed the canopy into the deck. I was going to cut the tail off for his wall, but my boy asked Mr. Boyd if he could fix his plane. Boyd said yes, and it is now repaired.
10-17-2010, 09:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: WARBIRDRCER
Thought I would share more pics with you guys. First my son suffered his first accident. Actually I was on the sticks with him, but before I new it the T-28 was in a 45 degree inverted dive about 50 feet off of the ground. I have the control throws set at 30 present, so knew it would not roll out in time and went for an inverted push, but to late. Vertical fin contacted the ground and slammed the canopy into the deck. I was going to cut the tail off for his wall, but my boy asked Mr. Boyd if he could fix his plane. Boyd said yes, and it is now repaired.
Thought I would share more pics with you guys. First my son suffered his first accident. Actually I was on the sticks with him, but before I new it the T-28 was in a 45 degree inverted dive about 50 feet off of the ground. I have the control throws set at 30 present, so knew it would not roll out in time and went for an inverted push, but to late. Vertical fin contacted the ground and slammed the canopy into the deck. I was going to cut the tail off for his wall, but my boy asked Mr. Boyd if he could fix his plane. Boyd said yes, and it is now repaired.
I am taking my son to the Wright Patterson Airforce Museum tomorrow and I will take some extra pics of the Skyraider in case you need them SBDdauntless.
Joe
10-18-2010, 08:03 PM
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My son is four years old. Like your boy, he loves the field and is a regular there. If I show up without him everyone asks where he is. He has been spending time with me since he was 4 mouths old at the field and in my shop. While I fly everyone pitches in to watch him, but for the most part he stands with me and watches. Every Thursday evening we and a few other guys with young kids go to the field for kid’s night out. We put up a trainer on the buddy box and fly model rockets. All the kids look forward to coming because they want to play with each other. Have you signed tour boy up with the AMA yet? It is only $1.00 a year. Stay in touch and enjoy that boy.
10-18-2010, 08:17 PM
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Had my Grankids here for a week, Grand daughter is 8 and grandson os 3, put them both on my G-4 simulator. My granddaughter did great once I got the plane in the air, my grandson on the other hand wanted to watch them crash into the field. But at least I gave him the bug, everyday he would ask "plane puter grandpa".. my daughter inlaw is already screaming that I'm getting him into the hobby...hehehe whatever it takes to get another member. I figure by the time he's 4 he'll start to listen to my instruct...err wait, my wifes 65 and still doesn't listen... 
Pix were great, always like to see kids with smiles on their faces. Sorry to hear about the first freeze, weather here on Long Island is stil in the 60's during the day, though has been a bit windy, I figure by the end of Dec and flying season here will be over.
Happy flying
Larry
Pix were great, always like to see kids with smiles on their faces. Sorry to hear about the first freeze, weather here on Long Island is stil in the 60's during the day, though has been a bit windy, I figure by the end of Dec and flying season here will be over.
Happy flying
Larry
10-18-2010, 08:32 PM
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Larry,
Good to hear from you. I enjoy seeing kids having fun with the hobby also. My wife saw our boy with his transmitter and fuel pump pretending to fuel and fly his toy Focke-Wulf. He fuels my aircraft at the field and will roll them back to me if they go dead on the runway. I figure he cannot do any more damage than I possibly could, so why worry as long as he is involved. The last photo is him helping Boyd with his Mustang.
Good to hear from you. I enjoy seeing kids having fun with the hobby also. My wife saw our boy with his transmitter and fuel pump pretending to fuel and fly his toy Focke-Wulf. He fuels my aircraft at the field and will roll them back to me if they go dead on the runway. I figure he cannot do any more damage than I possibly could, so why worry as long as he is involved. The last photo is him helping Boyd with his Mustang.
10-24-2010, 08:11 PM
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I'm very happy to see this thread started!
I am working on his Avenger right now (a very nice kit, by the way), and my intention is to order one of his AD-5's after I get the Avenger out the door and into the sky.
Will be watching with interest.
Regards,
Noah
I'm very happy to see this thread started!
I am working on his Avenger right now (a very nice kit, by the way), and my intention is to order one of his AD-5's after I get the Avenger out the door and into the sky.
Will be watching with interest.
Regards,
Noah
Are you still thinking of an AD-5? I am sure between you, Firebar, and SBD, I would get off of dead center.
10-24-2010, 08:30 PM
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Say guys,
I have been gathering some pics of the full scale I am modeling my AD-5 after. Thought I would share some with you. If you need any special shots or measurements, let me know. I am there on a semi-regular basis.
2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th shots are the RH Wheel Well, looking up at the R/Wing armorment electrical buss, RH ammo rack inside of wing looking outboard of wing rib right side of wheel well, and last is the gate secured and latched. The next shot is the Vertical Fin offset view. Next is the scale distance between the CL of the inboard gun barrel and the wing lock indicator pin. Next is the RH exhaust side view. Last is the RH upper wing with the aileron and shows the wing fold line at the aileron and flap split. Well room for another. This is an upper view of the canopies looking aft. Note the two fronts are slid into their aft positions. Now last, a side tail shot.
I have been gathering some pics of the full scale I am modeling my AD-5 after. Thought I would share some with you. If you need any special shots or measurements, let me know. I am there on a semi-regular basis.
2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th shots are the RH Wheel Well, looking up at the R/Wing armorment electrical buss, RH ammo rack inside of wing looking outboard of wing rib right side of wheel well, and last is the gate secured and latched. The next shot is the Vertical Fin offset view. Next is the scale distance between the CL of the inboard gun barrel and the wing lock indicator pin. Next is the RH exhaust side view. Last is the RH upper wing with the aileron and shows the wing fold line at the aileron and flap split. Well room for another. This is an upper view of the canopies looking aft. Note the two fronts are slid into their aft positions. Now last, a side tail shot.
10-25-2010, 06:44 AM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
Yes, I still plan to build one of Charlie's AD-5 models, but I have an F7F Tigercat that needs to be completed before I bring another project home. Charlie also mentioned that there may be a folding wing option on his later AD-5 kits, so maybe my timing will be such that I can take advantage of that detail by waiting another 6-7 months to place an order.
Just about to start glassing the wing and tail on the Tigercat, so it's getting closer. It's not a small, simple kit!
Noah
Just about to start glassing the wing and tail on the Tigercat, so it's getting closer. It's not a small, simple kit!
Noah
10-25-2010, 05:46 PM
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Noah,
Been watching the F7F build on your thread. Like everyone else, it seems during the flying season we are flying, or keeping our fleets in shape for more flying. I will start posting again on the AD-5 as soon as the lack of daylight and warm temps push me back into the shop for winter.
Concerning the offset vertical fin on the Skyraider, well it is strictly a Propeller P-Factor countermeasure. The A-1 has the same as the AD-5, but the AD-5 had to have the taller vertical fin because of the taller fuselage design change, which required a taller rudder. Looks kind of funny doesn’t it. I would think if you scaled this aggressive offset into the model it may be hard to overcome. Maybe Charlie could share feedback on this, and if it would hamper the flight characteristics. Remember, there is one big prop up front. [8D]
Steve
Been watching the F7F build on your thread. Like everyone else, it seems during the flying season we are flying, or keeping our fleets in shape for more flying. I will start posting again on the AD-5 as soon as the lack of daylight and warm temps push me back into the shop for winter.
Concerning the offset vertical fin on the Skyraider, well it is strictly a Propeller P-Factor countermeasure. The A-1 has the same as the AD-5, but the AD-5 had to have the taller vertical fin because of the taller fuselage design change, which required a taller rudder. Looks kind of funny doesn’t it. I would think if you scaled this aggressive offset into the model it may be hard to overcome. Maybe Charlie could share feedback on this, and if it would hamper the flight characteristics. Remember, there is one big prop up front. [8D]
Steve
10-26-2010, 01:59 PM
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RE: Kellogg's AD5 Skyraider Build
Steve
The photos that you took are from some unusual angles. None of the books and photos that I have of the Skyraider show the rudder fairing offset as clearly as your shot. I don't think the offset would change the flying characteristics of the model enough to notice. The big rudder is very effective and easily counters the torque of the model engine. The way the rudder is framed on the plans would allow you to replicate the curve in the fairing to get as close to scale as possible.
I have been making some progress on my Skyraider in the last month. I stopped for a week to clean the shop. There was just to much dust and clutter to work. I will post some photos in a few days.
Charlie
The photos that you took are from some unusual angles. None of the books and photos that I have of the Skyraider show the rudder fairing offset as clearly as your shot. I don't think the offset would change the flying characteristics of the model enough to notice. The big rudder is very effective and easily counters the torque of the model engine. The way the rudder is framed on the plans would allow you to replicate the curve in the fairing to get as close to scale as possible.
I have been making some progress on my Skyraider in the last month. I stopped for a week to clean the shop. There was just to much dust and clutter to work. I will post some photos in a few days.
Charlie