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Old 01-16-2011, 09:48 PM
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How did one of bell aircrafts most famous engineers contribute to rc(not strictly speaking a war bird question)and who was he?

Until very recently some rc guys wouldnt be able to fly without this mans contributions to the aircraft industry.

For many years this mans first warbird was one of the most recognized aircraft everyone new what it was for and many were very gratefull that it existed.(supposedly some people could hear them from very far away.)

In order to prove his invention worked he had to build a rc scale model(no funding)rc models of this type still use his invention so that they can be stable enough to fly.
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:31 PM
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:32 PM
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Nope but very fancy gyro setups are beginning to replace this very simple device
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:36 PM
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:39 PM
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Nope think simple
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:04 AM
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ORIGINAL: psb667

How did one of bell aircrafts most famous engineers contribute to rc(not strictly speaking a war bird question)and who was he?

Until very recently some rc guys wouldnt be able to fly without this mans contributions to the aircraft industry.

For many years this mans first warbird was one of the most recognized aircraft everyone new what it was for and many were very gratefull that it existed.(supposedly some people could hear them from very far away.)

In order to prove his invention worked he had to build a rc scale model(no funding)rc models of this type still use his invention so that they can be stable enough to fly.
Sir; my sincerest apologies. I have apparently been underestimating your cleverness. Cute... very, very cute. It is warbird related; and the clues not misleading at all, although I did tend to go astray with them.

I think I'll let this one ride awhile, just to give others a chance to work it out. If we get too hung up, I'll answer it. But for now, let's let it ride. I must admit I got quite a laugh when I figured it out. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:18 AM
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:36 AM
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Are you talking about Hammond? Rather, John Hays Hammond, Jr. the guy that brought a castle over from Europe block by block? He also built a radio control device for captured V1 bombs.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:45 PM
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Nope This is a bell aircraft specific question
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:58 PM
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Huh it appears that this guy also built the very first one of this particular kind of rc.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:01 PM
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Would you be talking about bell-hiller mixing for helicopter main rotors?
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:31 PM
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nope but without this very simple invention bell hiller mixing wouldnt work
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:00 PM
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The flybar as implemented by Arthur Young? and then improved as Rotor-matic by Stanley Hiller?
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:11 PM
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You got it Evil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b29Ms...eature=related And the bonus question is what was youngs warbird?
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Model 30, which became the well known Model 47, otherwise known as the Whirly Bird.

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Lets not forget the iriquois
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Old 01-18-2011, 06:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Evil_Merlin

Model 30, which became the well known Model 47, otherwise known as the Whirly Bird.

I'll have a question tonight.


Good going, EM. Below is what I had on him and the helicopter. I though the reference to "Radar" was pretty cool. Or maybe I'm easily amused? Thanks; Ernie P.


In the 1930s, Arthur Young improved the stability of two-bladed rotor systems with the introduction of a stabilizer bar. This system was used in several Bell and Hiller helicopter models. It is also used in many remote control model helicopters.

Arthur Middleton Young (November 3, 1905 – May 30, 1995) was an American inventor, helicopter pioneer, cosmologist, philosopher, astrologer and author. Young was the designer of Bell Helicopter's first helicopter, the Model 30, and inventor of the stabilizer bar used on many of Bell's early helicopter designs. He founded the "Institute for the Study of Consciousness" in Berkeley in 1972. Young advocated a process theory, which is a form of integral theory. These theories attempt to integrate the realm of human thought and experience with the realm of science so that the concept of universe is not limited to that which can be physically measured. Young's theory embraces evolution and the concept of the great chain of being. He has influenced such thinkers as Stanislav Grof

Arthur was the son of Eliza Coxe (1875–1950) and Philadelphia landscape painter Charles Morris Young (1869–1964). He was interested in developing a comprehensive theory of reality from an early age. He felt that to acquire the intellectual tools needed for such rigorous study, he should first develop an understanding of mathematics and engineering. With this decision he was following a career path similar to that of philosopher Alfred North Whitehead, who was a mathematician before he developed the first process philosophy. Thus after graduation from Princeton University in 1927 Young searched for a suitable invention to develop. In 1928 he returned to his father's farm in Radnor, Pennsylvania to begin twelve solitary years of efforts to develop the helicopter into a useful device.

Young's private experiments with helicopter design had mostly involved small scale models. After twelve years on his own using the models, he took his results and models to the Bell Aircraft Company in Buffalo, New York, in 1941, and the company agreed to build full-scale prototypes. While war was looming for the USA in late 1941 he was issued the key rotor stabilizer bar (also known as a flybar) patent, assigned it to Bell and moved to Buffalo to work with them. In June 1942 he moved his five-person team to Gardenville, New York, a hamlet on the north border of West Seneca, New York, where they could work in relative secrecy. The first test flight of the prototype Model 30 occurred in July 1943, and on March 8, 1946 the company received Helicopter Type Certificate H-1 for the world's first commercial helicopter, the Bell Model 47. This was the "whirlybird" featured in the M*A*S*H movie and television series and was so successful that it continued to be manufactured through 1974. A design as well as a utilitarian success, it was added to the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art of New York in 1984.

Young had become profoundly disturbed by the development of nuclear weapons at the end of the Second World War and, like a number of other very forward-looking and independent thinkers, decided that humanity needed a new philosophical paradigm.
In August 1946 Young recorded in his notes the idea of the psychopter— the helicopter as the "winged self", a metaphor for the human spirit. By October 1947 Young felt his work at Bell was complete, and he turned to the next phase of his career as a philosopher of mind (or soul). In 1949, he was awarded the Edward Longstreth Medal. In 1952, Young and his wife Ruth organized the Foundation for the Study of Consciousness in Philadelphia, the forerunner of the Institute for the Study of Consciousness.

Marriages
Young married Priscilla Page in 1933. He was divorced from Priscilla in 1948, and later that year, married artist Ruth Forbes (1903–1998) of the Boston Forbes family, a great-granddaughter of Ralph Waldo Emerson and the mother of Michael Paine.

Death
On 30 May 1995, Arthur Young died of cancer at age 89, at his home in Berkeley, California.

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Lets not forget the iriquois
I hate to admit it but for the last twenty years or so ive had the souix and the iriqious confused.
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Guys I'm a bit busier than thought. Ernie you wanna take this one?
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Old 01-19-2011, 05:01 PM
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Guys I'm a bit busier than thought. Ernie you wanna take this one?
Sure, E_M; give me a couple of minutes to check my list of questions. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Okay, Guys; this one is a little fast, but it's right across the plate. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What proposed warbird program do I describe?

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(1) Although not a single prototype was completed, a tremendous amount of time, energy and money was expended on research.

(2) It was probably, at least at the time, the single most ambitious aircraft program ever undertaken.
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The Tupolev Tu-4? It didn't need a prototype...
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:29 AM
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No correct answers thus far. Maybe this will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What proposed warbird program do I describe?

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(1) Although not a single prototype was completed, a tremendous amount of time, energy and money was expended on research.

(2) It was probably, at least at the time, the single most ambitious aircraft program ever undertaken.

(3) It may also have been the most expensive.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:58 AM
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The Avro Cf-105 Arrow never used a prototype either - the Mk.1 was a production aircraft and a test piece at the same time.

It would have been the most advanced interceptor of the 1960s, and was cancelled "officially" due to costs, although this was the result of the government reducing orders for the same budged.
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