Ernie P.

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No; not Chennault. Try again. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What famous military pilot do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a famous aviator prior to becoming a military pilot.

(2) Ironically, he first became famous as a civilian aviator for being the first to perform a particular maneuver; even though he wasn’t actually the first to do so.

(3) Even more ironically, he did become the first military pilot to accomplish a certain feat; even though the credit is often given to another pilot.

(4) He was a noted instructor. Here, his fame was certainly justified; since his downfall came when one of his own students killed him.

Ernie P.

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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What famous military pilot do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a famous aviator prior to becoming a military pilot.

(2) Ironically, he first became famous as a civilian aviator for being the first to perform a particular maneuver; even though he wasn’t actually the first to do so.

(3) Even more ironically, he did become the first military pilot to accomplish a certain feat; even though the credit is often given to another pilot.

(4) He was a noted instructor. Here, his fame was certainly justified; since his downfall came when one of his own students killed him.

(5) He is also credited with being the first pilot to perform a certain feat, even though several non-pilots had apparently previously performed the same feat.

metaldriver

Max Immellman

scalebirdman

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Immelmann was killed in a dogfight by a British F.E.2B.. I was thinking Boelcke, but strictly speaking he was killed due to a mid-air and subsequent crash landing by a squadron mate, not a student, and he wasn't a civilian aviator.

Ernie P.

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Yes, you are correct; although I could argue the other pilot was a student of Boelke. But, Boelke doesn't fit for several reasons. The next clue may throw a lot of mud in the water; but also maybe a little more light on the subject. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What famous military pilot do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a famous aviator prior to becoming a military pilot.

(2) Ironically, he first became famous as a civilian aviator for being the first to perform a particular maneuver; even though he wasn’t actually the first to do so.

(3) Even more ironically, he did become the first military pilot to accomplish a certain feat; even though the credit is often given to another pilot.

(4) He was a noted instructor. Here, his fame was certainly justified; since his downfall came when one of his own students killed him.

(5) He is also credited with being the first pilot to perform a certain feat, even though several non-pilots had apparently previously performed the same feat.

(6) Perhaps for the first time, a funeral wreath was dropped over the lines for him, by the victors.

Ernie P.

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And a last clue for the evening. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What famous military pilot do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a famous aviator prior to becoming a military pilot.

(2) Ironically, he first became famous as a civilian aviator for being the first to perform a particular maneuver; even though he wasn’t actually the first to do so.

(3) Even more ironically, he did become the first military pilot to accomplish a certain feat; even though the credit is often given to another pilot.

(4) He was a noted instructor. Here, his fame was certainly justified; since his downfall came when one of his own students killed him.

(5) He is also credited with being the first pilot to perform a certain feat, even though several non-pilots had apparently previously performed the same feat.

(6) Perhaps for the first time, a funeral wreath was dropped over the lines for him, by the victors.

(7) He served in the Army, prior to becoming a pilot.

lbrande

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Baron Von Richthofen

Ernie P.

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No, not the Baron. This is proving harder than I would have thought. The next clues, and a bit of thought, should give you the answer. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What famous military pilot do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a famous aviator prior to becoming a military pilot.

(2) Ironically, he first became famous as a civilian aviator for being the first to perform a particular maneuver; even though he wasn’t actually the first to do so.

(3) Even more ironically, he did become the first military pilot to accomplish a certain feat; even though the credit is often given to another pilot.

(4) He was a noted instructor. Here, his fame was certainly justified; since his downfall came when one of his own students killed him.

(5) He is also credited with being the first pilot to perform a certain feat, even though several non-pilots had apparently previously performed the same feat.

(6) Perhaps for the first time, a funeral wreath was dropped over the lines for him, by the victors.

(7) He served in the Army, prior to becoming a pilot.

(8) Even if men fight in the sky for 1,000 years; even if 1,000 missions and 1,000 victories become common; he will still be known; his name will still be on any list of aces.

(9) He served as a test pilot before becoming a military pilot.

The Raven

Adolphe CΓ©lestin PΓ©goud (13 June 1889 - 31 August 1915) was a well known pre-war French aviator who became the first fighter ace.

Credited as performing the first loop n a Bleriot XI and also the first to jump from a plane with a parachute.

Ernie P.

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You got it, Raven. Good job!! And, you're up. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What famous military pilot do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a famous aviator prior to becoming a military pilot.

(2) Ironically, he first became famous as a civilian aviator for being the first to perform a particular maneuver; even though he wasn’t actually the first to do so.
(He was credited with being the first to perform a loop, even though a Russian had performed the feat 12 days earlier.)

(3) Even more ironically, he did become the first military pilot to accomplish a certain feat; even though the credit is often given to another pilot.
(He was the first to become an ace (five victories), even though Garros is generally given that credit.)

(4) He was a noted instructor. Here, his fame was certainly justified; since his downfall came when one of his own students killed him.
(He instructed Unteroffizier Kandulski, who eventually shot him down, before the war.)

(5) He is also credited with being the first pilot to perform a certain feat, even though several non-pilots had apparently previously performed the same feat.
(He was the first pilot to bail out of an airplane; although several non-pilots had performed the feat before him.)

(6) Perhaps for the first time, a funeral wreath was dropped over the lines for him, by the victors.

(7) He served in the Army, prior to becoming a pilot.

(8) Even if men fight in the sky for 1,000 years; even if 1,000 missions and 1,000 victories become common; he will still be known; his name will still be on any list of aces.
(Only one man can be the first.)

(9) He served as a test pilot before becoming a military pilot.

(10) He (obviously) taught students from more than one country.

(11) Some of his victories were scored while flying two seaters. Some were scored flying single seaters.

(12) His single seat victories were scored using a device invented by another man; the man most people remember in his place.
(He used Garros' system of plates to fire through the propeller. Most remember Garros as the first ace.)

Adolphe CΓ©lestin PΓ©goud (13 June 1889 - 31 August 1915) was a well known pre-war French aviator who became the first fighter ace.

PΓ©goud served in the French Army from 1907 to 1913. Immediately thereafter he began flying, earned his pilot's certificate, and in a few months, on 21 September 1913, as a test pilot for Louis BlΓ©riot, in a BlΓ©riot model XI monoplane and in a series of test flights exploring the limits of airplane maneuvers, he flew a loop, believing it to be the world's first. PΓ©goud's feat was consequently widely publicized and believed by many to be the first loop, although Pyotr Nesterov, a Russian army pilot, had flown the first one on 9 September 1913, just 12 days earlier, in a Nieuport IV monoplane at an army airfield near Kiev. PΓ©goud also was the first pilot to make a parachute jump from an airplane. He also became a popular instructor of French and other European fledgling pilots.

At the start of World War I, PΓ©goud volunteered for flying duty and was immediately accepted as an observation pilot. On 5 February 1915, he and his gunner were credited with shooting down two German aircraft and forcing another to land. Soon he was flying single-seat aircraft and in April claimed two further victories. His sixth success came in July.

It is not known how many of PΓ©goud's victories involved destruction of enemy aircraft, as early air combat was rare enough to warrant credit for a forced landing. However, it is certain that PΓ©goud, rather than Roland Garros (three documented victories), was the first pilot to achieve ace status of any sort.

On 31 August 1915, PΓ©goud was shot down, ironically by one of his prewar German students, Unteroffizier Kandulski, while intercepting a German reconnaissance aircraft. He was 26 years old. The same German crew later dropped a funeral wreath above the French lines

The Raven

New question:

Name the aircraft.

1. I have achieved many firsts.
2. The first aircraft by a famous designer.
3. The first aircraft with this engine configuration.

The Raven

New question:

Name the aircraft.

1. I have achieved many firsts.
2. The first aircraft by a famous designer.
3. The first aircraft with this engine configuration.
4. The first flight was rather short.

skylarkmk1

The original Wright Flyer.

The Raven

New question:

Name the aircraft.

1. I have achieved many firsts.
2. The first aircraft by a famous designer.
3. The first aircraft with this engine configuration.
4. The first flight was rather short.
5. The short first flight was a result of it's load capacity.
6. The load capacity was undreamt of (at the time) and many thought initial reports were fake.

MajorTomski

Igor Sikorsky's S-21 Russian Knight or Russky Vitaz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Russky_Vityaz

The Raven

Absolutely correct. I tried to find something obscure, and a 4 engined 1913 passenger aircraft seemed to fit the bill.

It's your turn now

MajorTomski

Trouble is you stumbled across someons who is facinated by obscure aircraft.

OK team an easy one

Please name a plane
Thant seats four
Has a single engine
Was a logical progression in the manufactures line of airplanes

Ernie P.

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Just a reminder to every one that all questions must be warbird related. That is, related to military use; equipment; pilots; etc. A lot of civilian aircraft were used for military purposes, but we have to stay in the military arena to stay on topic. Thanks; Ernie P.

MajorTomski

OK team an easy one

Please name a plane
Thant seats four
Has a single engine
Was a logical progression in the manufactures line of airplanes
Had concurrent running civiilain and MILITARY production lines. The engine in the military version was unique to the military

The Raven

Sorry Ernie, I was sure one of my references implied the plane was to be used for bombing but it turns out it was the successor design S-22.

The Ilya Muromets (Sikorsky S-22) was designed and constructed by Igor Sikorsky at the Russo-Baltic Carriage Factory (RBVZ) in Riga in 1913. It was based on his earlier S-21 Russky Vityaz (or Le Grand) which had played an important role in the development of Russian aviation and the multi-engine aircraft industries of the world.

MajorTomski

OK team an easy one

Please name a plane
Thant seats four
Has a single engine
Was a logical progression in the manufactures line of airplanes
Had concurrent running civiilain and MILITARY production lines. The engine in the military version was unique to the military
The military variant first flew in 1964, and over the course of production there were 4 major variants

The Raven

Piper Cherokee?

MajorTomski

Nope sorry, I don't think the Cherokee line was ever purpose built Military

Please name a plane
Thant seats four
Has a single engine
Was a logical progression in the manufactures line of airplanes
Had concurrent running civiilain and MILITARY production lines. The engine in the military version was unique to the military
The military variant first flew in 1964, and over the course of production there were 4 major variants
It was derrived from a previous design that had the same number of wheels but in a different configuration.

Ernie P.

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No need to be sorry, Raven; and I'm just trying to keep us on track. Just remember to make the military connection clear; e.g., "What civilian aircraft pioneered a new engine configuration and led to a series of derivative military aircraft? Name the civilian aircraft and it's military sucessor". Something like that. Thanks; Ernie P.

The Raven

Ok, it's not what we're looking for.

According to Wikipedia the Pa-28-236 Dakota was also assembled under license by the Maintenance Wing of the Chilean Air Force (which later became known as ENAER). That might classify as a purpose built military, but the numbers are unclear and presumably small.