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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    I guess that's what I get for using Wiki for my clues... Nicely done. A very unusual airplane to say the least, and one with a most coveted record... not a single one (apparently) lost to enemy action...

    And if anyone's interested, I got one of my fellow club meembers interested in doing one in about 1/5 scale..... should render a wingspan of around 110" or so. I wanted to do it 1/4 scale, but he has a small van...

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: a65l

    I guess that's what I get for using Wiki for my clues... Nicely done. A very unusual airplane to say the least, and one with a most coveted record... not a single one (apparently) lost to enemy action...

    And if anyone's interested, I got one of my fellow club meembers interested in doing one in about 1/5 scale..... should render a wingspan of around 110'' or so. I wanted to do it 1/4 scale, but he has a small van...


    Thank you, Sir. Good luck on your project. I think you'll find a biplane with a 110" wingspan will be a pretty sizeable aircraft. Please keep us informed as you move along. Okay; let's see if my next question is as easy as it should be. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    The Wright Flyer ? :-)

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: pilotal

    The Wright Flyer ? :-)
    Actually, not a bad guess. Incorrect; but as a serious guess, not too bad. Maybe this will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    An afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

    (3) A fighter.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    And an evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

    (3) A fighter.

    (4) This plane holds a unique place in History. A truly iconic warbird; one that will never be completely forgotten. Yet, it is somehow almost unknown today.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Grumman FF-1

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: deatonbt

    Grumman FF-1

    Brian
    No, sorry. Think earlier. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

    (3) A fighter.

    (4) This plane holds a unique place in History. A truly iconic warbird; one that will never be completely forgotten. Yet, it is somehow almost unknown today.

    (5) Perhaps never was a warplane so aptly named.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Sounds like a Sparow Hawk.
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: Luft-Gangster

    Sounds like a Sparow Hawk.
    Nice pics, but not the right answer. Maybe this early morning clue will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

    (3) A fighter.

    (4) This plane holds a unique place in History. A truly iconic warbird; one that will never be completely forgotten. Yet, it is somehow almost unknown today.

    (5) Perhaps never was a warplane so aptly named.

    (6) Four bladed propeller.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: Ernie P.


    ORIGINAL: Luft-Gangster

    Sounds like a Sparow Hawk.
    Nice pics, but not the right answer. Maybe this early morning clue will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

    (3) A fighter.

    (4) This plane holds a unique place in History. A truly iconic warbird; one that will never be completely forgotten. Yet, it is somehow almost unknown today.

    (5) Perhaps never was a warplane so aptly named.

    (6) Four bladed propeller.


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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Vickers E.F.B.1 'Destroyer' ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_E.F.B.1

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: JohnnyS

    Vickers E.F.B.1 'Destroyer' ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_E.F.B.1


    And there you have it! See... that wasn't so hard, was it? Actually, JohnnyS has been on a bit of a tear lately; he's been getting way more than his share of the questions. Good going, Sir!!

    Yes, the Vickers E.F.B.1 'Destroyer' was the first British aircraft specifically designed for a military role; and quite possibly the first aircraft designed to "destroy" enemy aircraft. Quite an apt name.

    Okay, JohnnyS, you are up yet again. What is your question for us? Thanks; Ernie P.




    Question: What warbird do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) It was the very first of its type.

    (2) A biplane.

    (3) A fighter.

    (4) This plane holds a unique place in History. A truly iconic warbird; one that will never be completely forgotten. Yet, it is somehow almost unknown today.

    (5) Perhaps never was a warplane so aptly named.

    (6) Four bladed propeller.

    (7) This plane was not considered to be a success. However, the basic design was pursued, resulting in one of the better known aircraft of the war.

    (8) Armed with a single belt fed machine gun.

    (9) Wings were unequal length and staggered.

    (10) Wing warping was utilized.

    (11) Pusher design.

    (12) Shortly after it was introduced, perhaps even on its first actual flight, it crashed.

    Answer: The Vickers E.F.B.1 β€œDestroyer”.


    The Vickers E.F.B.1 'Destroyer' was an early British military aircraft prototype. Although not itself a success, the design was considered worth developing, and a series of similar aircraft were produced in prototype, eventually leading to the Vickers F.B.5 "Gunbus", which saw widespread service during World War One.

    The Experimental Fighting Biplane No. 1 (E.F.B.1) was designed in response to a British Admiralty requirement for an aircraft intended for an offensive role. As such, it is notable for being the first British aircraft to be specifically designed for a military role. A contract for an experimental prototype was given to Vickers on 19 November 1912.

    The resulting aircraft was an unequal-span staggered wing two bay pusher biplane with the tailplane mounted on booms behind the wings and the crew of two housed in a nacelle above the lower wing, with the engine behind them. The pusher layout was necessitated by the requirement for a forward firing gun, since gun synchronisation mechanisms had not been developed at the time. Extensive use of metal was made in its structure, the tail booms and wing spars being made of steel and the nacelle of steel tube with a covering of sheet duralumin.

    Lateral control was effected by wing warping, and in order to prevent fatiguing of the structure caused by warping loads the rear wing spar was built in three sections, the outer sections being hinged to the centre section, and the wing ribs were loosely threaded onto the spars.

    The armament consisted of a single belt-fed 0.303 Vickers-Maxim machine gun mounted at the front of the nacelle on a flexible mounting.

    It was exhibited at the Aero show at Olympia in February 1913, but crashed soon afterwards, possibly on its first flight. Nevertheless the design was considered promising enough for work to be started on another aircraft of similar design, the Vickers E.F.B.2, and this line of development would eventually lead to the Vickers F.B.5 Gunbus.

    General characteristics
    Crew: 2
    Length: 27 ft 6 in (8.38 m)
    Upper wingspan: 40 ft (12 m)
    Lower wingspan: 30 ft (9.1 m)
    Empty weight: 1,760 lb (798 kg)
    Gross weight: 2,660 lb (1,207 kg)
    Powerplant: 1 Γ— Wolseley Type B V-8 air-cooled piston engine, 80 hp (60 kW) with water-cooled valves
    Propellers: 4-bladed Vickers-Levasseur
    Performance
    Maximum speed: 70 mph (113 km/h; 61 kn) at sea level
    Endurance: 4Β½ hours
    Rate of climb: 450 ft/min (2.3 m/s)
    Armament
    Guns: One 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers-Maxim belt-fed machine gun

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Thanks, ErnieP.

    I was hoping I was wrong: Now I have to come up with a new aircraft and you are ALL too good at figuring these out.

    Oh well, here goes...

    1. First aircraft of this type made operational by the operating air force.

    2. Twin engined.

    3. Monoplane.

    4. Shiny

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Gloster Meteor?

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Interesting guess, but not what I'm looking for.

    A new clue...

    1. First aircraft of this type made operational by the operating air force.

    2. Twin engined.

    3. Monoplane.

    4. Shiny

    5. Radial engines.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: JohnnyS

    Interesting guess, but not what I'm looking for.

    A new clue...

    1. First aircraft of this type made operational by the operating air force.

    2. Twin engined.

    3. Monoplane.

    4. Shiny

    5. Radial engines.

    Hard to narrow the field at this point, but the AT-9 "Jeep" fits all the clues. Thanks; Ernie P.


    The Curtiss-Wright AT-9 Jeep was a twin-engined advanced trainer aircraft used by the United States during World War II to bridge the gap between single-engine trainers and twin-engine combat aircraft. The AT-9 was of a low-wing cantilever monoplane configuration, had retractable landing gear and was powered by two Lycoming R-680-9 radial engines.

    Curtiss-Wright anticipated the requirement for this type of "high-performance" aircraft and designed the Curtiss-Wright CW-25, a twin-engine trainer, which possessed the takeoff and landing characteristics of a light bomber aircraft. Using the same basic design as the larger Cessna AT-17, the new CW-25 was designed to be simulate the demands of multi-engine operations. The design featured a small layout, grouping two Lycoming R-680-9 radial engines forward and using a retractable tail-wheel landing gear to achieve the performance necessary to meet the requirements of an advanced trainer. The single CW-25 prototype acquired for evaluation had a welded steel-tube fuselage structure with the wings, fuselage and tail unit fabric-covered.

    The first prototype Model 25 flew in 1941 and the production version entered service as the AT-9 in 1942. Named the "Fledgling" by Curtiss-Wright, it commonly became known as the "Jeep" in the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF). The prototype CW-25 had a fabric-covered steel tube fuselage and fabric-covered wings and tail units, but production AT-9s were of stressed metal skin construction.

    The AT-9 was purposely designed to be less stable and proved be difficult to fly or land, which made it particularly suitable for teaching new pilots to cope with the demanding flight characteristics of a new generation of high-performance, multi-engine aircraft such as the B-26 Marauder and P-38 Lightning. However, many pilots who have flown both the AT-9 and the P-38 have said that the Lightning should have been used instead to train pilots to fly the Jeep.

    A total of 491 AT-9s were built before production ended and a new production run of 300 of the generally similar AT-9A commenced.

    Because of its difficult flying characteristics the AT-9 was not offered for sale to civilians after the war, although many non-flying examples were given to ground schools for training purposes.


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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Ernie,

    Not quite what I was looking for.

    Let me clarify the critical clue and add one more...

    1. First aircraft of this type made operational by the operating air force.

    2. Twin engined.

    3. Monoplane.

    4. ***The paint job was very shiny for a vital reason.***

    5. Radial engines.

    6. 20 mm cannon and .50 calibre armament, and bombs as well.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Northrop P-61 Black Widow?

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    F7 f Tigercat?

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Right, SimonCraig1!!

    The reason the shiny paint is so important is that it shows up poorly in a searchlight. Matte black looks like gray and shows the outline well but shiny black deflects much of the light away so the outline of the aircraft is hard to see and the searchlight operator has a harder time tracking the aircraft.

    You're up!

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Thanks Johnny. The 'shiny' clue was very misleading until you added the word paint. The Black Widow's gloss black finish was a logical follow-up.

    Now for something a little different.

    1. Now universal in military aircraft, this development in aviation gave one air force an edge over others though possibly not for the right reason.
    2. Without it the course of history might have been very different... (now that's a sweeping statement)

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    How about IFF?

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: SimonCraig1

    Thanks Johnny. The 'shiny' clue was very misleading until you added the word paint. The Black Widow's gloss black finish was a logical follow-up.

    Now for something a little different.

    1. Now universal in military aircraft, this development in aviation gave one air force an edge over others though possibly not for the right reason.
    2. Without it the course of history might have been very different... (now that's a sweeping statement)
    Reading as carefully as possible, you are asking for a development in aviation hardware or technology which was (at least for a time) available to only one nation. That would eliminate most of the major developments, since all nations were pretty much balanced for most of History. So (eliminating the natural desire to jump directly to air transportable weapons measured in the kiloton and larger ranges) how about the interruptor gear? Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    The gas turbine engine ?


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