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Old 01-13-2013, 10:03 AM
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HAL-HF-24 Marut ?
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:45 PM
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HAL-HF-24 Marut is correct - Over to you.

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Old 01-13-2013, 07:08 PM
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Anyone have a question ready, ? I should know better than to take a guess and not be ready with a good question. Please jump in with a stumper.

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Anyone have a question ready, ? I should know better than to take a guess and not be ready with a good question. Please jump in with a stumper.

Seeing no other takers, I'll try this. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his countries first ace of the Second World War.
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:21 PM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

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(1) He was his countries first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

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Old 01-15-2013, 02:02 AM
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And a morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his countries first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:28 AM
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An afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his country’s first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.

(4) He stayed with the aircraft until he reached friendly lines, but was badly burned doing so.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:26 PM
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And an evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his country’s first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.

(4) He stayed with the aircraft until he reached friendly lines, but was badly burned doing so.

(5) He wasn’t found by friendly forces for several days.

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Old 01-16-2013, 06:06 AM
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No guesses so far? This one really isn't that hard, guys. JohnnyS has it figured out, but doesn't want to take the lead right now. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his country’s first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.

(4) He stayed with the aircraft until he reached friendly lines, but was badly burned doing so.

(5) He wasn’t found by friendly forces for several days.

(6) He spent literally years in hospital.
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:36 AM
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Ernie,

Question: Was he Italian?
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:09 AM
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Ernie,

Question: Was he Italian?
No, Sir; he was not Italian. Maybe this next clue will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his country’s first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.

(4) He stayed with the aircraft until he reached friendly lines, but was badly burned doing so.

(5) He wasn’t found by friendly forces for several days.

(6) He spent literally years in hospital.

(7) After returning to flying, he flew transport aircraft.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:27 PM
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Was he Polish?
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:36 PM
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Question:

Was he Polish?
No, Sir; he was not Polish. Here's another clue that may help, though. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his country’s first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.

(4) He stayed with the aircraft until he reached friendly lines, but was badly burned doing so.

(5) He wasn’t found by friendly forces for several days.

(6) He spent literally years in hospital.

(7) After returning to flying, he flew transport aircraft.

(8) In his final combat, all three planes in his badly outnumbered flight were shot down,
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:25 PM
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Major Art Chin Shui-Tin of the Chinese Air Force, interestingly he was born in the US and was trained by the Luftwaffe! Flew Gloster Gladiators among other fighters.
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/china_chin.htm
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:44 AM
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Major Art Chin Shui-Tin of the Chinese Air Force, interestingly he was born in the US and was trained by the Luftwaffe! Flew Gloster Gladiators among other fighters.
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/china_chin.htm
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You nailed it, Sir; and you are up. The first American ace of WWII flew for the Chinese Air Force and was partially trained by the Luftwaffe. The first American Volunteer Group is far less known than the second, the famous Flying Tigers. Please post your question, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was his country’s first ace of the Second World War.

(2) He flew a biplane fighter.

(3) He was shot up and his aircraft set on fire, while defending a fellow pilot’s tail.

(4) He stayed with the aircraft until he reached friendly lines, but was badly burned doing so.

(5) He wasn’t found by friendly forces for several days.

(6) He spent literally years in hospital.

(7) After returning to flying, he flew transport aircraft.

(8) In his final combat, all three planes in his badly outnumbered flight were shot down,

(9) But he damaged or shot down three aircraft in that fight.

(10) Trained in both the United States and Germany.

(11) The group he flew with is almost unknown. However, a later group, which did exactly the same thing, is world famous.

(12) The later group was known for the way their aircraft were painted.

Answer: Major Arthur Chin


Major Arthur Chin (Chinese: 陳瑞鈿; pinyin: Chén Ruìtián; Cantonese: Chan Sui-Tin; October 23, 1913 - September 3, 1997) was an American pilot and a Second Sino-Japanese War fighter ace.

Chin was born in Portland, Oregon to a Chinese father of Cantonese origin and a mother of Peruvian background. Motivated by the Japanese invasion of China, Chin enrolled in flight school in 1932. Along with 15 other Chinese Americans, he left for China and joined the Guangdong Provincial Air Force as the first and original group of American volunteer combat aviators, and ultimately integrated into the central government's air force under the KMT. After completion of additional aerial-gunnery training in Munich Germany, he returned to China for combat duty in which he was credited with destroying nine enemy aircraft between 1937-1939. In 1939, while flying a Gloster Gladiator, the fighter in which he scored 6.5 of his 8.5 aerial victories, he was hit by enemy fire and forced to bail out of his burning aircraft, and although he parachuted to safety, he suffered serious burn injuries. Nevertheless, after several years of surgery and recovery, and an escape from the Japanese occupation of Hong Kong, he returned to China in 1944 to fly supplies over the Himalayas, a route known as the "Hump".

Chin is recognized as America's first ace in World War II. A half-century after the war ended, the U.S. government recognized Chin as an American veteran by awarding him the Distinguished Flying Cross. About a month after Chin died, on October 4, 1997, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame of the American Airpower Heritage Museum in Midland, Texas as the first American ace of World War II.

After his aviation career, Chin became a postal worker in his hometown of Portland. On January 29, 2008, Congressman Representative David Wu (D-Oregon) introduced House Resolution 5220 to name a United States Post Office in Aloha, Oregon after Major Arthur Chin as the "Major Arthur Chin Post Office Building". It was unanimously approved by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. President Bush signed it into law on May 7, 2008.

Born (1913-10-23)October 23, 1913
Portland, Oregon

Died September 3, 1997(1997-09-03) (aged 83)

Allegiance Canton Provincial Air Force, National Revolutionary Army

Rank Major

Battles/wars Second Sino-Japanese War

Awards Distinguished Flying Cross


Art Chin was born on 23 October 1913 in Portland, Oregon. His father was from Toyshan county, Guangdong (Kwangtung) province, China and his mother was from Peru.

He was one of a group of 15 Americans of Chinese descent who were able to start flying in the US in the early 1930s, at Al Greenwood's flying school in Portland. After finishing primary training in the US, they offered themselves to the Cantonese Air Force, and on 1 December 1932 he was accepted as a Warrant Probationary Pilot.

He was promoted to Second Lieutenant on 23 February 1933.

He completed his flight training in Germany in 1936 receiving air-to-air gunnery training from the Luftwaffe at Laager Lechtfeld. On 1 September 1936, he was promoted to First Lieutenant, as a flight leader in the 6th Squadron.

He served as a flight instructor from February to June 1937, and joined the 28th Pursuit Squadron, 5th Pursuit Group on 10 June 1937, as Vice Commander.

On 27 December 1939 Chin Shui-Tin flew his final action over Kwangsi. Chin was leading two Gladiators and one I-15bis from the 32nd PS on an escort mission for three Soviet Volunteer BG SB bombers. During the mission they became involved in combat with Japanese fighters. All three Chinese fighters were shot down. One pilot, Wei Yi-Ging (Commander of the 32nd PS) was killed and the I-15bis pilot, Chen Ye-Hsin, force-landed on the battlefield after being wounded in the back. Chin, after being hit while shooting an A5M off Chen's tail, was hit from behind by another A5M. His Gladiator caught fire but he managed to nurse it back over Chinese lines near Naning before bailing out, suffering terrible burns to his face and hands. The Japanese fighters were probably A5Ms from the 14th Kokutai led by Ensign Kazu-o Muranaka. Muranaka who had arrived to Nanning during the day flew a combat air patroll in the afternoon together with Sea1c Nojima. They engaged single-engine aircraft they jointly claimed 2 victories and one probable. These were the 14th Kokutai’s first victories.

However the Soviet Volunteers got through and bombed their targets unmolested, contributing to the successful Chinese Army counter-attack at the Kunlun Pass.

Chinese sources also claimed that ground troops found three enemy wrecks (two with serial numbers recorded) in the area after the action, which could match with Chin’s claim for 2 destroyed and 1 probable during this combat. However, these claims have not been possible to verify with Japanese records.

Chin lay wounded in a rice paddy for several days until he was found and rescued by Chinese soldiers.

ROCAF records indicate that the 32nd PS flight of three Gladiators and one I-15bis under Art Chin fought 2 air-to-air engagements in September 1939 and 5 in November and December 1939, claiming 4 confirmed kills (3 on 27December 1939) and 3 damaged.

Chin spent a long time in various hospitals. He was in Hong Kong when it was captured by the Japanese, but managed to escape with his wife and two children, and eventually returned for treatment to the US.

He was discharged from the Chinese Air Force on 1 March 1945.

Chin Shui-Tin ended the war with 8 victories, all of them scored while flying biplanes.

After years of surgeries, he returned to duty as a U.S. Army Air Forces officer, flying supplies over the dangerous “Hump” route through the Himalayas into China.

He retired from the CNAC in 1950.

Unable to find work with the airlines after the war, he returned to Portland and raised a family.

Before retirement he worked at a local post office in Beaverton, Oregon.

He passed away on 3 September 1997, in Portland, Oregon.

In a posthumously ceremony on 4 October 1997 he was inducted into the Hall of Fame of the American Airpower Heritage Museum in Midland, Texas. More than 3,000 people, including Vivian, Arthur’s wife, attended this ceremony

Chin’s memory lives on in the Sino-American Aviation Heritage Foundation’s Arthur Chin Aviation Achievement Award.

His name also appears as Chen Jui-Tien or Chin Suey-Tin in other sources.
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Wphilb; your question is due and overdue. Please post your question. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Wphilb; please post your question. Otherwise, we will have to move along. Thanks; Ernie P.

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wphilb has apparently gone missing; and his question is over 24 hours overdue. Any one who has a question ready, please post it. First come, etc. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:37 AM
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This aircraft has been mentioned before but I don't think that it has been the correct answer.

1) It was designed to carry a specific weapon.
2) The development of that weapon was canceled, so it carried a less sophisticated weapon instead.
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What aircraft

1) It was designed to carry a specific weapon.
2) The development of that weapon was canceled, so it carried a less sophisticated weapon instead.

3) It was designed to attack at high speed - but also needed to fly slowly
4) For flying slowly, it needed to use a lot of power and an airbrake.
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Rockwell B-1B
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Not what I have in mind...

What aircraft

1) It was designed to carry a specific weapon.
2) The development of that weapon was canceled, so it carried a less sophisticated weapon instead.
3) It was designed to attack at high speed - but also needed to fly slowly
4) For flying slowly, it needed to use a lot of power and an airbrake.

5) It served in two countries: two air forces and one navy
6) Its first operational use was in stopping an environmental disaster. The last was fighting in the 1991 Gulf War.
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My apologies, 

I never got a notification that this thread was active, and I checked back at least twice and there was no update! I didnt even know if id gotten it right. I had my question all done even.... I just logged in and saw two PMs from Eddie, first I knew I was overdo.

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My apologies,

I never got a notification that this thread was active, and I checked back at least twice and there was no update! I didnt even know if id gotten it right. I had my question all done even.... I just logged in and saw two PMs from Eddie, first I knew I was overdo.

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Not to worry, Sir. The rules say you have to post your question or update at least every 24 hours. Rather than hang things up for days waiting, we move on. Next time I get the lead, I'll hand over to you. I'd like to see your question. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Not what I have in mind...

What aircraft

1) It was designed to carry a specific weapon.
2) The development of that weapon was canceled, so it carried a less sophisticated weapon instead.
3) It was designed to attack at high speed - but also needed to fly slowly
4) For flying slowly, it needed to use a lot of power and an airbrake.

5) It served in two countries: two air forces and one navy
6) Its first operational use was in stopping an environmental disaster. The last was fighting in the 1991 Gulf War.
The F-111F swing wing fits most of the clues. It stopped an environmental disaster during the Gulf War, which was its last operational use I believe. But I can't quite make number 1 fit. Thanks; Ernie P.
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