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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Okay; how about a late evening clue? Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.


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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Here's a wild one..... Mick Mannock??
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: Mein Duff

    Here's a wild one..... Mick Mannock??

    I can see why you came up with Mannock's name, but no. Maybe this will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    An evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Now I'm really curious......who the heck is this guy?
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: Mein Duff

    Now I'm really curious......who the heck is this guy?

    A very well known ace. Maybe this will jog your memory. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Oswald Boelcke ?

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: pilotal

    Oswald Boelcke ?

    No, Sir; not Boelcke. Perhaps this will lend insight. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Late afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    And a late evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    And a noon clue. This ace was a well known figure. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

    (20) He served throughout most of WWI.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

    (20) He served throughout most of WWI.

    (21) Ironically, orders promoting him and ordering him to cease flying arrived the day he was killed in combat.

    (22) He and one other pilot once attacked an enemy formation of more than a dozen aircraft. Over a period of Âľ of an hour, they made repeated attacks on the enemy formation; shooting down three aircraft and driving the remainder back across their lines in disarray.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Hmmm.... Five days. 23 clues. A bunch of our resident experts must be on vacation. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

    (20) He served throughout most of WWI.

    (21) Ironically, orders promoting him and ordering him to cease flying arrived the day he was killed in combat.

    (22) He and one other pilot once attacked an enemy formation of more than a dozen aircraft. Over a period of Âľ of an hour, they made repeated attacks on the enemy formation; shooting down three aircraft and driving the remainder back across their lines in disarray.

    (23) He once attacked an enemy airfield. After strafing the airfield, he dropped a note daring the enemy to come up and fight. He then bomber and strafed the airfield again.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

    (20) He served throughout most of WWI.

    (21) Ironically, orders promoting him and ordering him to cease flying arrived the day he was killed in combat.

    (22) He and one other pilot once attacked an enemy formation of more than a dozen aircraft. Over a period of Âľ of an hour, they made repeated attacks on the enemy formation; shooting down three aircraft and driving the remainder back across their lines in disarray.

    (23) He once attacked an enemy airfield. After strafing the airfield, he dropped a note daring the enemy to come up and fight. He then bomber and strafed the airfield again.

    (24) Accounts of his death differed then and now. Among his fellow pilots, the news was met with grief and disbelief.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Afternoon clue. As with Richthofen, one account of his last fight involved this ace flying to a low level to attack an enemy aircraft threatening a friendly flier; and being attacked in turn by another enemy pilot attacking from a higher altitude. Thanks; Ernie P.



    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

    (20) He served throughout most of WWI.

    (21) Ironically, orders promoting him and ordering him to cease flying arrived the day he was killed in combat.

    (22) He and one other pilot once attacked an enemy formation of more than a dozen aircraft. Over a period of Âľ of an hour, they made repeated attacks on the enemy formation; shooting down three aircraft and driving the remainder back across their lines in disarray.

    (23) He once attacked an enemy airfield. After strafing the airfield, he dropped a note daring the enemy to come up and fight. He then bomber and strafed the airfield again.

    (24) Accounts of his death differed then and now. Among his fellow pilots, the news was met with grief and disbelief.

    (25) His uniform and some personal items are today displayed in a museum.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Roderic Dallas

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderic_Dallas

    THAT was a tricky one.

    I think you may not be quite correct about "(11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted. (The RNAS) " as the Wikipedia article states that he never actually applied to the "Australian Flying Corps", but he was rejected by the RFC twice. So, he was not actually refused twice by two different nations, but twice by a single nation.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    ORIGINAL: JohnnyS

    Roderic Dallas

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderic_Dallas

    THAT was a tricky one.

    I think you may not be quite correct about ''(11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted. (The RNAS) '' as the Wikipedia article states that he never actually applied to the ''Australian Flying Corps'', but he was rejected by the RFC twice. So, he was not actually refused twice by two different nations, but twice by a single nation.
    You are correct, Sir. And yes, I misread the details about his (not) applying to the Australian Flying Corps. I thought this one would be a setup, after my question about his fellow Australian and triplane flying mate, Robert Little, less than two weeks ago. Dallas was one of the most respected and admired men in the RFC. Okay; you are up, Sir. Please post your question. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What ace do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He demonstrated a very early interest in aviation.

    (2) He came from very humble and rural roots.

    (3) As a child, he spent many hours watching hunting birds in the wild.

    (4) He achieved success both in the air as a successful pilot, and on the ground as a successful administrator and leader.

    (5) Although a noted ace, there is a lot of dispute about his exact score; but no dispute over his success in training and leading his men.

    (6) He was a noted test pilot; and helped formulate aerial tactics.

    (7) He tested an early model of what became his favorite type of aircraft.

    (8) Considered a fine athlete, he was rather large for a fighter pilot.

    (9) As a youth, he and his brother built several homemade aircraft, gliders and powered; in addition to many models.

    (10) He was noted for being quiet, polite and soft spoken. He didn’t drink, seldom smoked, and stayed fit.

    (11) His first two attempts to apply for pilot training were refused… by two different nations. His third application was accepted.

    (12) He set an altitude record flying the aircraft type in (7) above, while testing a prototype oxygen system.

    (13) He is often compared to the Baron von Richthofen for his skill as a pilot and his ability to teach, develop and lead his pilots.

    (14) He was a talented artist.

    (15) He had very keen eyesight. Supposedly, he had trained himself to read the small print in a newspaper at a distance of six feet.

    (16) As the result of a joke, he gained a nickname; that of an airplane type.

    (17) He was one of the earliest aces in his service.

    (18) Like Richthofen, he would sometimes “set up” a new pilot for his first kill.

    (19) He switched from the aircraft in (7) because of a shortage of spare parts and age of the aircraft.

    (20) He served throughout most of WWI.

    (21) Ironically, orders promoting him and ordering him to cease flying arrived the day he was killed in combat.

    (22) He and one other pilot once attacked an enemy formation of more than a dozen aircraft. Over a period of Âľ of an hour, they made repeated attacks on the enemy formation; shooting down three aircraft and driving the remainder back across their lines in disarray.

    (23) He once attacked an enemy airfield. After strafing the airfield, he dropped a note daring the enemy to come up and fight. He then bomber and strafed the airfield again.

    (24) Accounts of his death differed then and now. Among his fellow pilots, the news was met with grief and disbelief.

    (25) His uniform and some personal items are today displayed in a museum.

    (26) Highly decorated by more than one nation.

    (27) His strong voice made him a favorite in amateur theater performances.

    (28) A prominent participant in the bloody affairs of April, 1917.

    (29) He willingly participated in strafing missions, and was wounded in one of them.

    (30) After being wounded, he slipped away from the hospital to rejoin his unit after only four days.

    Answer: Roderic Stanley (Stan) Dallas


    Roderic Stanley (Stan) Dallas DSO, DSC & Bar (30 July 1891 – 1 June 1918) was an Australian fighter ace of World War I. His score of aerial victories is generally regarded as the second-highest by an Australian, after Robert Little; however there is considerable dispute over Dallas's exact total. While his official score is commonly given as 39, claim-by-claim analyses list as few as 32, and other research credits him with over 50, compared to Little's official tally of 47. Like Little, Dallas flew with British units, rather than the Australian Flying Corps. Beyond his personal combat record, Dallas achieved success as a squadron leader, both in the air and on the ground. He was also an influential tactician and test pilot. His service spanned almost the entirety of World War I fighter aviation.


    Born on a remote property in rural Queensland, Dallas showed an early interest in aviation. He traveled to England at his own expense following the outbreak of World War I and became a pilot in the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) in August 1915. Initially seeing action with No. 1 Naval Wing on the Western Front in Caudrons and Nieuport 11s, he was chosen to test one of the earliest Sopwith Triplanes. This became his favorite type, and he achieved many victories with it through 1916–17, earning the Distinguished Service Order, and the Distinguished Service Cross and Bar. Appointed commanding officer of No. 1 Squadron RNAS in June 1917, on the establishment of the Royal Air Force on 1 April 1918 he took command of No. 40 Squadron. Flying Royal Aircraft Factory S.E.5s, he achieved further victories before being killed in action on 1 June 1918 while on patrol near Liévin in northern France. He was buried in Pernes.

    Stan Dallas was born on 30 July 1891 at Mount Stanley station outside Esk, Queensland, to labourer Peter MacArthur Dallas and his wife Honora. Mount Stanley was an isolated property, and journeys to and from Esk were long and infrequent; Stan was the first Caucasian child born at the station. His family moved to Tenterfield, New South Wales, soon after the birth of his younger brother in 1893. They returned to Queensland in 1898, settling in Mount Morgan, where Peter Dallas became a shift boss at the local mines. Stan attended Mount Morgan Boy's School from February 1899 and eventually joined its cadet corps, rising to sergeant. At school he was noted for his intelligence, ability to get along well with others, and quiet sense of humour. He enjoyed the outdoors, and spent many hours in the mountains behind his family's home, observing birds of prey.

    In July 1907, Dallas joined the assay office of the Mount Morgan Gold Mining Company, and also enrolled in the local technical college, where he took night classes in chemistry and technical drawing. He showed an early interest in aviation, fuelled by the establishment in 1911 of the Mount Morgan chapter of the Queensland Aero Club.

    Dallas and his younger brother Norvel built a glider, which was wrecked by an untimely gust of wind the first time they tried to launch it. The two brothers continued to build model gliders after this initial disaster, however, and Stan corresponded with pioneer aviators in France, England, and the United States. He later transferred to a higher-paying job driving trucks for Iron Island ironstone quarries. Stan and Norvel once again built their own flying machine while Stan was working on Iron Island. They experimented with this seaplane on nearby Marble Island, notorious for its treacherous waters; Stan lost this aeroplane in the sea.

    At 1.88 metres (6 ft 2 in) tall, and weighing 101 kg (220 lb), Dallas would later surprise observers with his ability to fit into the cramped cockpits of fighter planes. Despite his size, he was considered a fine athlete with quick reflexes. Although he could project a loud speaking voice, he was generally soft-spoken and was not known to curse or drink alcohol, nor often to smoke. Dallas stayed fit through regular exercise at the gym, and played rugby union football. He had exceptionally keen eyesight, which he had trained by reading small print in newspapers at the six-foot length of his family's table. To balance out athletics, he participated in amateur theatrics, where his strong voice served him well.

    Dallas joined the Port Curtis Militia in 1913, and was commissioned as a lieutenant prior to the outbreak of World War I. Believing he had little chance of gaining a place in the newly established Australian Flying Corps, he applied to join the British Royal Flying Corps (RFC), but was rejected. Undaunted, he travelled from Queensland to Melbourne, where he impressed Minister Without Portfolio J.A. Jensen. Jensen gave the young aspirant a letter of introduction to the Australian High Commissioner in London, Sir George Reid. Dallas paid his own passage to England and, once there, applied again to the RFC. Rejected again, he turned to the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) and was accepted, topping the entrance examination over 83 other students. He was commissioned a flight sub-lieutenant and began training at Hendon in June 1915, gaining Pilot's License #1512 on 5 August.

    On 3 December 1915, Dallas joined No. 1 Naval Wing and began flying combat missions in single-seat Nieuport 11 fighters and two-seat Caudrons out of Dunkirk, France.

    Early in his career there, a practical joker imitating his commanding officer telephoned Dallas, who was the duty officer, and peremptorily ordered him to take off in a propellerless Breguet. Upon learning that he had been tricked, Dallas joined in the laughter. He not only accepted the resulting nickname of "Breguet", but also used it as a signature on his letters home later in the war. Having made two unconfirmed claims in February 1916, Dallas scored his first confirmed victory on 23 April. He outmaneuvred a German Aviatik C and shot it out of control, following his victim down to 2,000 feet, though heavy anti-aircraft fire holed his plane in several places. He went on to score three more confirmed victories with his Nieuport.

    On 23 June 1916, Dallas took delivery of the newest RNAS fighter, Sopwith Triplane #N500. This was the original prototype, having undergone Admiralty trials before being shipped to France. Though still only a test plane, it was flown into combat 15 minutes after its arrival. Dallas named it Brown Bread, and it was the first of a series of 'Tripes' that he would fly and fight in over the next year. He won his first victory with Brown Bread on 1 July, the same day he was promoted to flight lieutenant. Three days later, he was recommended for further promotion. He scored his last Nieuport-mounted 'kill' on 9 July, earning the Croix de guerre and a mention in despatches for coming to the aid of a French Maurice Farman biplane. On 7 September 1916, Dallas was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, "for the specially gallant manner in which he has carried out his duties" since first seeing action in December 1915. By the end of the year he was among the earliest RNAS aces, with eight confirmed and four unconfirmed victories, and had been raised to the rank of flight commander.

    Dallas became one of the best-known pilots of Sopwith Triplanes in the RNAS. He opened 1917 by setting an altitude record of 26,000 feet in the Triplane while testing a prototype oxygen set; he endured frostbite and oxygen intoxication in the process.[6] By now No. 1 Wing's fighter squadron had been renumbered as No. 1 Squadron RNAS, and had totally re-equipped with production Triplanes. It also shifted airfields from Veurne in Belgium to Chipilly in France, leaving behind RNAS control by transferring to No. 14 Wing, 4th Brigade of the RFC. Formation flying became the order of the day, as the practice of fighter pilots soloing into combat dwindled. The last three weeks of March were also filled with Dallas's responsibilities for flight and gunnery testing. As British losses in the air began to mount during Bloody April, Dallas and his squadron moved airfields once again, to La Bellevue. They were thus positioned to take a prominent part in the subsequent Battle of Arras, where the intense aerial fighting saw

    Dallas add to his burgeoning score. The combat of 23 April became known as one of the classic air battles of the war. Dallas and his wingman Thomas Culling took on a squadron-sized formation of 14 German aircraft, having gained an altitude edge over their foes. The naval aces exploited this edge by making quick diving attacks from opposite sides, culminating in short bursts of machine-gun fire. Using the Triplane's superior climbing ability, they would then bob back up to position themselves for the next assault. In contrast to the usual hit-and-run tactics of most dogfights, the RNAS duo launched at least 20 gunnery runs over 45 minutes. The Germans were forced progressively lower, into disarray, and then chased back over their own lines.

    While they shot down three of the Germans, Dallas and Culling also achieved a more important outcome by blocking and then breaking up a determined enemy effort against the British ground offensive. The action led to the award of a Bar to the Distinguished Service Cross for Dallas, and a Distinguished Service Cross for Culling, which were gazetted on 29 June.

    By June 1917, Dallas had achieved over 20 victories in aerial combat. This experience, and his leadership ability, led to his appointment as commanding officer of No. 1 Naval Squadron on 23 June 1917. The unit had been forced to cut back its operational strength from 18 aircraft to 15 due to lack of pilot replacements and a shortage of spare parts for the aging Triplanes. It had also moved airfields, to an unprepared site at Bailleul. As a leader, Dallas made a point of shepherding new pilots through their first flights, and even setting them up with their first victories by manouvring enemy aircraft into a good position for the rookie to take a shot. On the ground, he proved to be an efficient organiser, designing and directing construction of the new air base. It was also during this time that he wrote a treatise on air combat tactics, extracts of which have survived. Both the air base layout and the treatise displayed his talent as a sketch artist. On 2 November, No. 1 Squadron moved airfields once more, to Middle Aerodrome, which put it back under overall RNAS control. The unit received its first eight new Sopwith Camels on 9 November as replacements for the Triplanes. On 11 November, Dallas was again mentioned in despatches, this time by Field Marshal Haig. After gaining its full complement of Camels, No. 1 Squadron was transferred to England, and took up home defence duties at Dover. On 16 February 1918, Dallas led his squadron back to France, where it was based at TĂ©teghem, supporting units on operations along the Belgian coast. He commanded it for another six weeks, until 31 March.

    As part of the amalgamation of the RFC and RNAS to form the Royal Air Force, on 1 April 1918 Dallas was promoted to major and given command of No. 40 Squadron RAF, flying Royal Aircraft Factory S.E.5s. The squadron boasted a number of aces in its ranks, and its former RFC members were suspicious of Dallas's naval background. However, he was able to overcome their misgivings and established himself as the new CO with his personal demeanour and courage; the nickname of "Admiral" that they bestowed upon him was an affectionate one. Ten days after taking over, he had adapted well enough to his new mount with its inline engine to score his first victory with his new unit. His men also saw that he would not only look out for his rookie pilots, but would not shirk the dangers of ground attack sorties. His offhand attitude toward two leg wounds he received during a strafing mission on 14 April, after which he made "a perfect landing", especially impressed his subordinates, as did his appreciation of all ranks for their hard work. His studious bent continued to serve him; he kept notes on his methods of attacking enemy aircraft, which often exploited their structural weaknesses, and used them to tutor pilots under his command.

    Dallas was briefly hospitalised with the wounds to his thigh and heel on 14 April, but sneaked out four days later to rejoin his squadron. His departure may have been spurred by news of the capture of his friend Richard Minifie. As soon as he was able, Dallas was flying again. By 26 April, he had increased his official score to 37, and been awarded the Distinguished Service Order for operations at Dunkirk. He had also several times been recommended for the Victoria Cross, but it was never approved. His casual attitude towards claiming victories was noted by a member of No. 40 Squadron, Cecil Usher, who related that Dallas once remarked of an opponent, "...he went down belching a lot of black smoke and after he had gone down someways one of his planes came off, but I didn't see him crash so I shan't claim him." On 2 May, during a lull in the fighting at Flanders, Dallas took off in his S.E.5 to taunt his foes. He strafed the German base at La Brayelle to "attract attention" before dropping a package on the aerodrome with a note reading, "If you won't come up here and fight, herewith a pair of boots for work on the ground, pilots for the use of". He then circled in mist until troops came to examine the bundle, whereupon he dropped two bombs and again shot up the base, causing "general panic". News of this singular exploit reportedly provoked laughter from Field Marshal Haig and RAF founder General Sir Hugh Trenchard, two men not known for their sense of humour. While adding to his score and leading his squadron into combat, Dallas had begun thinking beyond the war.

    He was pleading with his father to quit the dangerous job of mining, with hints that he would support his parents by pioneering aviation in Australia.[35] He also harboured a long-standing ambition of flying from England back to Australia, which would be a record-setting journey.

    Dallas was raised to lieutenant colonel and appointed to the command of a wing, but would never see the message from headquarters that arrived on 1 June 1918 advising him of the promotion and ordering him to cease flying. He disappeared on a solo mission the same day. It was later learned that he had been killed over Lievin during combat with three Fokker Triplanes from Jagdstaffel 14, probably by its commander, Leutnant Johannes Werner. There are various theories as to how he died. The common elements are that he was on patrol near the front line when he pounced on a German plane flying at a lower level, that there might have been another unknown British pilot in trouble, and that the Germans who shot Dallas down had dived from a still higher altitude. Medics near his crash site at Absalom Trench ventured into no man's land and retrieved his body, while a patrol of eight volunteers salvaged his personal effects from the fallen aircraft. News of Dallas's death was greeted with shock and disbelief by his squadron, one pilot recording: The world is upside down ... Dallas has been killed ... Too good for this world I suppose.

    The British magazine Aeroplane later paid tribute to him in an editorial:
    Roderic Dallas had become almost a legendary character in the RNAS. He was a pilot of quite extraordinary skill, a fighting man of astonishing gallantry, a humorist of a high order, and a black-and-white artist of unusual ability. But, above all this, he was a great leader of men. To be in Dallas’ squadron was quite one of the highest honours open to a young fighting pilot of the RNAS and the high reputation held by certain of the RNAS squadrons operating with the RFC during the past year or two has been largely due to the training, example and leadership of Roderic Dallas.

    For his record in aerial combat and his leadership skills, Dallas has been compared to the "Red Baron", Manfred von Richthofen. The former flew combat for 29 months, and the latter for 31 months, if his three months in hospital are deducted. Dallas successfully led two different squadrons during his career, and was killed just before assuming command of a wing. Richthofen led first a squadron, then a wing during his 12 months in command, again excluding hospital time; he achieved more victories, but had the tactical advantage of fighting over his own lines with the wind in his favour. Dallas flew a score of different types of Allied aircraft, as well as captured German planes; he was also instrumental in developing the Sopwith Triplane. Richthofen flew the Fokker Dr.1, and helped develop the Fokker D.VII, but did not live to fly it into battle.

    Stan Dallas was buried at the Pernes British Cemetery, France, in Lot 38, Row E of Plot II. In addition to his military decorations, he was honoured with a Gold Medal by the AĂ©ro-Club de France, and a Bronze Medal and Diploma by the Aero Club of America. The town of Toogoolawah, Queensland, commemorated him in the name of its airport, and the national capitol of Canberra remembered him with Dallas Place. His home town of Mount Morgan has dedicated a water reservoir in his honour; its Historical Society Museum holds his medals, uniform, and sword, as well the propeller from one of his planes.

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    Ok, new aircraft.

    1) An unusual name, to say the least.

    2) Negative stagger.

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    Sopwith Hippo?
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    Ok, you got it.



    You're up!

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    Sopwith Dolphin?
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    OK, this is another "name the pilot" question. Easy, but I'll try not to give it away too early.

    1. Flew in WWII and Korea

    2. An important piece of equipment is named for him.
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    Richard Bong?

    Sorry: When I saw "An important piece of equipment is named for him" I couldn't resist!!!


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