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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    They flew it at altitude to the men in kegs hung under the wing like droptanks. *This was said to keep it quite cold. *

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: glazier808

    They flew it at altitude to the men in kegs hung under the wing like droptanks. *This was said to keep it quite cold. *

    https://www.google.com/search?q=spitfire+beer+kegs&hl=en&client=safari&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Lx8uUeXdH-iiiQLBqoG4Ag&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=768&bih=900



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    No, Sir. Yes, that was a method used; but it isn't the method I'm referencing. This method was performed on the ground and didn't involve using the aircraft. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: How did aircraft maintenance crews cool canned beer in WWII?

    Clues:

    (1) No ice was available; and the fire extinguishers were all needed for their intended use.

    (2) This method cooled relatively large quantities of beer very quickly.

    (3) This method was performed on the ground, and did not involve the aircraft directly.

    (4) This method was used in the Pacific by US crews.

    (5) It involved gasoline.

    (6) It involved a 55 (or similar) gallon drum.

    (7) It involved an aircraft tire valve.


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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    I thought our science whizzes would have figured this one out by now. This should do it. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: How did aircraft maintenance crews cool canned beer in WWII?

    Clues:

    (1) No ice was available; and the fire extinguishers were all needed for their intended use.

    (2) This method cooled relatively large quantities of beer very quickly.

    (3) This method was performed on the ground, and did not involve the aircraft directly.

    (4) This method was used in the Pacific by US crews.

    (5) It involved gasoline.

    (6) It involved a 55 (or similar) gallon drum.

    (7) It involved an aircraft tire valve.

    (8) It involved a compressor.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    Releasing compressed air rapidly would create cold air, I suppose if the released air were contained in a drum that was filled with beer the air in the drum would be cold and then subsequently chill the beer, now were does the fuel fit in ........

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: AZThud


    Releasing compressed air rapidly would create cold air, I suppose if the released air were contained in a drum that was filled with beer the air in the drum would be cold and then subsequently chill the beer, now were does the fuel fit in ........****

    Cheers

    You're on the right track; but just a bit more science was involved. Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Was the 55 gal. drum buried in the sand ?
    There was an episode of Mythbusters...but all they got was gas flavored beer...[:'(]
    Granted, they just put a six pack under the sand, then poured some gas over it and lit it on fire...

    My guess is the air flow would help pull a draft...and the drum would keep the gas from actual contact w/ the beer cans?
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    ORIGINAL: proptop

    Was the 55 gal. drum buried in the sand ?
    There was an episode of Mythbusters...but all they got was gas flavored beer...[:'(]
    Granted, they just put a six pack under the sand, then poured some gas over it and lit it on fire...

    My guess is the air flow would help pull a draft...and the drum would keep the gas from actual contact w/ the beer cans?

    Nope... the drum wasn't buried. You have to think it through a bit further. I know the burning gas on sand thing won't work; and never even thought it might; but this method was reported by observers on the spot. Apparently, I'm not the only one who was or will be impressed by the method used. Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    How about this... you briefly dip the beer can in the gas then use the compressed air to evaporate the gas on the beer can which will cool the beer?

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    ORIGINAL: SimonCraig1

    How about this... you briefly dip the beer can in the gas then use the compressed air to evaporate the gas on the beer can which will cool the beer?

    You're on the right track, SimonCraig1. But this method of cooling could cool a lot of beer quickly, not just one can at a time. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: How did aircraft maintenance crews cool canned beer in WWII?

    Clues:

    (1) No ice was available; and the fire extinguishers were all needed for their intended use.

    (2) This method cooled relatively large quantities of beer very quickly.

    (3) This method was performed on the ground, and did not involve the aircraft directly.

    (4) This method was used in the Pacific by US crews.

    (5) It involved gasoline.

    (6) It involved a 55 (or similar) gallon drum.

    (7) It involved an aircraft tire valve.

    (8) It involved a compressor.

    (9) First, the drum was filled with cans of beer.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: How did aircraft maintenance crews cool canned beer in WWII?

    Clues:

    (1) No ice was available; and the fire extinguishers were all needed for their intended use.

    (2) This method cooled relatively large quantities of beer very quickly.

    (3) This method was performed on the ground, and did not involve the aircraft directly.

    (4) This method was used in the Pacific by US crews.

    (5) It involved gasoline.

    (6) It involved a 55 (or similar) gallon drum.

    (7) It involved an aircraft tire valve.

    (8) It involved a compressor.

    (9) First, the drum was filled with cans of beer.

    (10) Then, the drum was topped off with aviation gas.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    And an evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: How did aircraft maintenance crews cool canned beer in WWII?

    Clues:

    (1) No ice was available; and the fire extinguishers were all needed for their intended use.

    (2) This method cooled relatively large quantities of beer very quickly.

    (3) This method was performed on the ground, and did not involve the aircraft directly.

    (4) This method was used in the Pacific by US crews.

    (5) It involved gasoline.

    (6) It involved a 55 (or similar) gallon drum.

    (7) It involved an aircraft tire valve.

    (8) It involved a compressor.

    (9) First, the drum was filled with cans of beer.

    (10) Then, the drum was topped off with aviation gas.

    (11) Next, the lid was securely attached to the drum.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Ok,

    So you compress the gas with the compressor, and then allow it to escape through the valve. The aviation gas changes from a liquid to a vapor which is a change of state, you need heat for this to happen so the heat is pulled from the beer cans and thus cools the beer. Open the drum and rinse off the beer cans. Drink.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: wphilb

    Ok,

    So you compress the gas with the compressor, and then allow it to escape through the valve. The aviation gas changes from a liquid to a vapor which is a change of state, you need heat for this to happen so the heat is pulled from the beer cans and thus cools the beer. Open the drum and rinse off the beer cans. Drink.

    Whit

    If I'm right I don't have a clue of a good question....*

    Close enough, wphilb. Well, you can't compress a liquid; but they did pressurise the drum through the air valve. When they released the pressure, the air and gasoline escaped. The gas vaporized and cooled the beer. No, they didn't wash off the beer cans; not enough fresh water was available. The beer smelled like gas, of course; but it was cold beer in an area where nothing else was cold. Things were pretty Spartan on the Pacific islands in WWII; and I personally am really impressed with how ingenious the aircraft maintenance crews were. Plus, their method of cooling beer shows a pretty fair understanding of basic physics.

    You said you didn't have a question; but since the whole idea was to buy some time for Zippome to get his question ready, I think we should have succeeded. We've bought him over three days and he should be ready now. My question was just intended to be a silly way of marking time; but you have to admit it did have a warbird connection.

    Okay, Zippome; if you aren't ready with a question now, we'll just have to move on. Over to you, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: Ernie P.


    ORIGINAL: wphilb

    Ok,

    So you compress the gas with the compressor, and then allow it to escape through the valve. The aviation gas changes from a liquid to a vapor which is a change of state, you need heat for this to happen so the heat is pulled from the beer cans and thus cools the beer. Open the drum and rinse off the beer cans. Drink.

    Whit

    If I'm right I don't have a clue of a good question....*

    Close enough, wphilb. Well, you can't compress a liquid; but they did pressurise the drum through the air valve. When they released the pressure, the air and gasoline escaped. The gas vaporized and cooled the beer. No, they didn't wash off the beer cans; not enough fresh water was available. The beer smelled like gas, of course; but it was cold beer in an area where nothing else was cold. Things were pretty Spartan on the Pacific islands in WWII; and I personally am really impressed with how ingenious the aircraft maintenance crews were. Plus, their method of cooling beer shows a pretty fair understanding of basic physics.

    You said you didn't have a question; but since the whole idea was to buy some time for Zippome to get his question ready, I think we should have succeeded. We've bought him over three days and he should be ready now. My question was just intended to be a silly way of marking time; but you have to admit it did have a warbird connection.

    Okay, Zippome; if you aren't ready with a question now, we'll just have to move on. Over to you, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.

    Zip;

    Are you ready to post your question? If not, we will have to move on. Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Zip;

    Last chance... Are you ready to post your question? If not, I'll toss it to wphilb for his correct answer. Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Ok guys. here we go..
    1. Twin engined
    2. Monoplane.
    3. Never saw combat, but was considered effictive in it's role.

    ok, that should start us off...
    Thanks,
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz



    Ok guys. here we go..
    1. Twin engined
    2. Monoplane.
    3. Never saw combat, but was considered effictive in it's role.
    4. Deployed by 2 nations.
    5. It had 2 main variants.
    6.Testing began in 1952.
    7. withdrawn from service in 1972.
    Thanks,
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Still nothing?

    1. Twin engined
    2. Monoplane.
    3. Never saw combat, but was considered effictive in it's role.
    4. Deployed by 2 nations.
    5. It had 2 main variants.
    6.Testing began in 1952.
    7. withdrawn from service in 1972.
    8. It was a new type of interceptor.

    Thanks,
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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: zippome

    Still nothing?

    1. Twin engined
    2. Monoplane.
    3. Never saw combat, but was considered effictive in it's role.
    4. Deployed by 2 nations.
    5. It had 2 main variants.
    6.Testing began in 1952.
    7. withdrawn from service in 1972.
    8. It was a new type of interceptor.

    Thanks,
    Zip
    I don't want you to feel lonely, Zip. I can't quite match up the dates, but how about the CF-100 Canuck? Thanks; Ernie P.


    The Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck (affectionately known as the "Clunk") was a Canadian jet interceptor/fighter serving during the Cold War both in NATO bases in Europe and as part of NORAD. The CF-100 was the only Canadian-designed fighter to enter mass production, serving primarily with the RCAF/CAF and in small numbers in Belgium. For its day, the CF-100 featured a short takeoff run and high climb rate, making it well suited to its role as an interceptor.

    In the early 1950s, Canada needed an all-weather interceptor (fighter) able to patrol the vast areas of Canada's north and operate in all weather conditions. The two-seat fighter crewed by a pilot and navigator was designed with two powerful engines and an advanced radar and fire control system housed in its nose that enabled it to fly in all-weather or night conditions.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz


    ORIGINAL: zippome

    Still nothing?

    1. Twin engined
    2. Monoplane.
    3. Never saw combat, but was considered effictive in it's role.
    4. Deployed by 2 nations.
    5. It had 2 main variants.
    6.Testing began in 1952.
    7. withdrawn from service in 1972.
    8. It was a new type of interceptor.

    Thanks,
    Zip
    Zip;

    You still with us? Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    I think this is a better fit: The dates are closer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour

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    ORIGINAL: JohnnyS

    I think this is a better fit: The dates are closer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour

    Yeah, I agree the dates are closer. But I discounted the Vautour because the Israelis most assuredly took them into combat. But those two were the only good candidates I could think of. It was a close thing as to which I used first. So... you may well be correct. Thanks; Ernie P.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Ah, I missed that. However, it never saw combat in France, although it did in Israel. I suspect we're both wrong.

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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    1. Twin engined
    2. Monoplane.
    3. Never saw combat, but was considered effictive in it's role.
    4. Deployed by 2 nations.
    5. It had 2 main variants.
    6.Testing began in 1952.
    7. withdrawn from service in 1972.
    8. It was a new type of interceptor.
    9.I admit that I went "outside the box" on this question, and may prove to be a bit controversial.
    10. It did not see combat, but it did help in the fall of a ruling government.

    Thanks,
    Zip




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    RE: Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz

    Bomarc?

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