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    1. Once a specially modified model of this aircraft held the world absolute speed record.
    2. Developed into a bomber from a reconnaissance aircraft.
    3. Single engine.
    4. Biplane.

    No more clues until I see some guesses!!

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    Hawker hart/demon/hind/ variant?

    Thats my guess without searching....
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    5. Not a roast beef aircraft. Think of another cuisine...
    6. The last new versions were introduced ~15 years after the initial versions. This was unusual as it was a time of great advancements in aviation.

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    French Breguet Bre.14 ?

    French biplane initially entered service in 1916, ending service in 1932, initial order were for a 2 seat artillery observation plane and a two seat bomber....
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    Doesn't meet the first clue!

    Besides, it's still the wrong cuisine! too much butter...

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    True, I think my downfall is I'm trying not to use the search.
    ah well... I have another guess that only works if "American" is considered a cuisine.... and I don't think it does. I'll wait until some others respond first though before throwing it out there....
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    curtis r6
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    My next guess was going to be the curtis p6/r6 except that would require American to be a cuisine, and that it was never a bomber or reconnaissance airplane... it was always a fighter from what I know/have read.
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    1. Once a specially modified model of this aircraft held the world absolute speed record.
    2. Developed into a bomber from a reconnaissance aircraft.
    3. Single engine.
    4. Biplane.
    5. Not a roast beef aircraft. Think of another cuisine...
    6. The last new versions were introduced ~15 years after the initial versions. This was unusual as it was a time of great advancements in aviation.
    7. Mamma Mia! Atsa spicy meatball!

    Note: Clue 1 is not reflected in the entries here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_airspeed_record However it *is* noted on the Wikipedia entry for this aircraft. This is a discrepancy in Wikipedia.

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    Ansaldo a.1 ballila...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansaldo_A.1_Balilla

    I found 1 other place that noted its "speed" outside of that though its not listed on anything as owning a speed record...
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    Close, but not quite there. Think just a few years later...

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    Hmm.. my best guess so far is the SM.62.. but I bet I need to keep looking.
    Sorry I'm late dear, I had to help my uncle Jack off his horse.

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    Not the SM62.

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    I'm *very* surprised this has gone so long!

    1. Once a specially modified model of this aircraft held the world absolute speed record.
    2. Developed into a bomber from a reconnaissance aircraft.
    3. Single engine.
    4. Biplane.
    5. Not a roast beef aircraft. Think of another cuisine...
    6. The last new versions were introduced ~15 years after the initial versions. This was unusual as it was a time of great advancements in aviation.
    7. Mamma Mia! Atsa spicy meatball!
    8. The Italians once had 15 squadrons equipped with this light bomber.

    Note: Clue 1 is not reflected in the entries here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_airspeed_record However it *is* noted on the Wikipedia entry for this aircraft. This is a discrepancy in Wikipedia.

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    OK, one more clue.

    1. Once a specially modified model of this aircraft held the world absolute speed record.
    2. Developed into a bomber from a reconnaissance aircraft.
    3. Single engine.
    4. Biplane.
    5. Not a roast beef aircraft. Think of another cuisine...
    6. The last new versions were introduced ~15 years after the initial versions. This was unusual as it was a time of great advancements in aviation.
    7. Mamma Mia! Atsa spicy meatball!
    8. The Italians once had 15 squadrons equipped with this light bomber.
    9. The same specially modified version of this aircraft that set the world absolute speed record (in 1922) was later used to contest the "Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe" speed race that same year.

    Note: Clue 1 is not reflected in the entries here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_airspeed_record However it *is* noted on the Wikipedia entry for this aircraft. This is a discrepancy in Wikipedia.

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    No more clues without some guesses!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyS View Post
    OK, one more clue.

    1. Once a specially modified model of this aircraft held the world absolute speed record.
    2. Developed into a bomber from a reconnaissance aircraft.
    3. Single engine.
    4. Biplane.
    5. Not a roast beef aircraft. Think of another cuisine...
    6. The last new versions were introduced ~15 years after the initial versions. This was unusual as it was a time of great advancements in aviation.
    7. Mamma Mia! Atsa spicy meatball!
    8. The Italians once had 15 squadrons equipped with this light bomber.
    9. The same specially modified version of this aircraft that set the world absolute speed record (in 1922) was later used to contest the "Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe" speed race that same year.

    Note: Clue 1 is not reflected in the entries here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_airspeed_record However it *is* noted on the Wikipedia entry for this aircraft. This is a discrepancy in Wikipedia.

    Hey, guys. I got back from Alabama late last night. Sounds as though you're talking about the Fiat B.R. 1/4 and its variants. Thanks; Ernie P.


    The Fiat B.R. 1/4 was a series of light bomber developed in Italy shortly after World War I.

    The B.R was a development of the SIA 9 reconnaissance aircraft, incorporating major strengthening of that design. Its general layout was identical with its predecessor: a two-bay biplane with tandem, open cockpits for pilot and observer, and tailskid undercarriage. Shortly after entering service with the Regia Aeronautica, however, Rosatelli developed an improved version using the Warren truss-style bracing that would become a hallmark of his designs over the next decade.

    The B.R. was evolved into a number of increasingly capable variants; however, by the time the later members of the family were produced, 15 years had passed since the initial design, and the type was already obsolete. At its peak, the BR equipped 15 light bomber squadrons of the Regia Aeronautica. Two examples were also exported to Sweden, and one to Hungary.


    In 1922, a specially modified BR designated the R.700 was used to set the world absolute airspeed record at 336 km/h (210 mph). The same aircraft was used to contest the Coupe Deutsch de la Meurthe in September that year.

    Variants
    B.R. - initial production version with Fiat A.14 engine and conventional struts
    B.R.1 - improved version with new radiator and landing gear, and Warren truss struts (150 built)
    B.R.2 - strengthened structure, new landing gear, and Fiat A.25 engine
    R.22 - reconnaissance aircraft of which two prototypes and 23 production versions were built. Although resembling the BR.2 it was of smaller dimensions and the wing and fuselage structures were all metal. All examples flown by Regia Aeronautica Fiat A.22 engine
    B.R.3 - new landing gear, fitted with radio and panoramic camera and (in later versions) Handley Page-type slats (100 built)
    B.R.4 - substantial redesign with revised aerodynamics, new landing gear, and new radiator arrangement (1 built)
    R.700 - racer for world airspeed record attempt

    General characteristics
    Crew: Two, pilot and observer
    Length: 10.66 m (35 ft 0 in)
    Wingspan: 17.30 m (56 ft 9 in)
    Height: 3.91 m (12 ft 10 in)
    Wing area: 70.2 m2 (756 ft2)
    Empty weight: 2,646 kg (5,833 lb)
    Gross weight: 4,195 kg (9,248 lb)
    Powerplant: 1 Fiat A.25, 813 kW (1,090 hp)
    Performance
    Maximum speed: 240 km/h (140 mph)
    Range: 1,000 km (621 miles)
    Service ceiling: 6,250 m (20,500 ft)
    Rate of climb: 4.2 m/s (830 ft/min)
    Armament
    1 fixed, forward-firing 7.7 mm (.303 in) Vickers machine gun
    1 trainable, rearward-firing 7.7 mm (.303 in) Lewis Gun
    720 kg (1,590 lb) of bombs

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    Yes! That's the one.

    My next clue was going to be something about Fiat buying Chrysler, but Ernie has saved me from that, thanks!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyS View Post
    Yes! That's the one.

    My next clue was going to be something about Fiat buying Chrysler, but Ernie has saved me from that, thanks!!!!!

    Good question, JohnnyS. Having been away a lot lately, I couldn't resist. I hope my next question will garner as much interest. Thanks; Ernie P.



    Question: What famed aviator designer do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He is considered to be, at minimum, a genius.

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    Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What famed aviator designer do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He is considered to be, at minimum, a genius.

    (2) He designed one of the deadliest aircraft to fight in a major conflict.

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    Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What famed aviator designer do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He is considered to be, at minimum, a genius.

    (2) He designed one of the deadliest aircraft to fight in a major conflict.

    (3) The above (2) despite working exclusively in the aircraft industry for a relatively short period of time.

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    WAG: Kelly Johnson, with the P-38 as the deadly aircraft?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Gunn View Post
    WAG: Kelly Johnson, with the P-38 as the deadly aircraft?

    No, not Kelly Johnson. But here's an evening clue to assist your search. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What famed aviator designer do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He is considered to be, at minimum, a genius.

    (2) He designed one of the deadliest aircraft to fight in a major conflict.

    (3) The above (2) despite working exclusively in the aircraft industry for a relatively short period of time.

    (4) He left industry to become first an assistant, and then a full, professor in a college.

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    And a late night clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What famed aviator designer do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He is considered to be, at minimum, a genius.

    (2) He designed one of the deadliest aircraft to fight in a major conflict.

    (3) The above (2) despite working exclusively in the aircraft industry for a relatively short period of time.

    (4) He left industry to become first an assistant, and then a full, professor in a college.

    (5) He had a very wide range of interests, which ranged from ball games to musical instruments to philosophy.

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    Early morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


    Question: What famed aviator designer do I describe?

    Clues:

    (1) He is considered to be, at minimum, a genius.

    (2) He designed one of the deadliest aircraft to fight in a major conflict.

    (3) The above (2) despite working exclusively in the aircraft industry for a relatively short period of time.

    (4) He left industry to become first an assistant, and then a full, professor in a college.

    (5) He had a very wide range of interests, which ranged from ball games to musical instruments to philosophy.

    (6) He was a noted and prolific author; and usually a best selling one.


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