Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
09-09-2017, 08:19 AM
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How about the Northrop A-17, used in the Ecuadorian-Peruvian War of 1941, a conflict of which I was unaware. Wiki here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_A-17
Not at all a bad.-looking plane.
Not at all a bad.-looking plane.
09-09-2017, 09:18 PM
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And yet another morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird do I describe?
Clues:
1. This warbird was in front line service for more than 20 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by at least ten countries.
4. It was, for the time, considered to be a very good aircraft.
5. Designed for a single mission.
6. A mission that was redefined regarding aircraft design, thus eliminating our subject aircraft from consideration.
7. Nevertheless, several hundred were produced.
8. It was also used as a patrol aircraft.
9. It was a popular aircraft, very reliable, with no handling vices.
10. This aircraft was used in two simultaneous, though not connected, wars.
11. It was actually derived from a transport aircraft.
12. The original prototype aircraft was submitted for testing, and was accepted after some modifications were specified by the military.
13. Among those modifications was the fitting of fixed landing gear, rather than the semi-retractable landing gear of the prototype.
14. The aircraft had perforated flaps.
15. The fixed landing gear had partial fairings.
16. It had both internal and external bomb racks.
17. An A version was quickly produced that featured fully retractable landing gear.
18. The military quickly purchased the new variant; but within two years a new specification, mandated for all aircraft of this type, eliminated this successful plane from further consideration.
19. Nevertheless, the aircraft was still a good plane, and began to sell in other countries.
20. In the end, at least nine foreign countries utilized this aircraft.
21. Of course, a war was looming.
22. Once war broke out, the plane was used for coastal patrol duties.
23. Then, they were used as utility aircraft.
24. The producing country finally retired the last of them before the end of the war.
25. Two crew members.
26. Pilot and gunner.
27. Armament was five machine guns.
28. Bomb load was over 1,000 pounds.
29. It was a monoplane.
30. By the time the retractable gear version was ready and ordered by the military, the developing aircraft company had been purchased by another company.
31. Export versions were sold under the new owning companys name as (Name) Model (number).
32. The last reported active service use was in 1954.
33. By Argentina.
Question: What warbird do I describe?
Clues:
1. This warbird was in front line service for more than 20 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by at least ten countries.
4. It was, for the time, considered to be a very good aircraft.
5. Designed for a single mission.
6. A mission that was redefined regarding aircraft design, thus eliminating our subject aircraft from consideration.
7. Nevertheless, several hundred were produced.
8. It was also used as a patrol aircraft.
9. It was a popular aircraft, very reliable, with no handling vices.
10. This aircraft was used in two simultaneous, though not connected, wars.
11. It was actually derived from a transport aircraft.
12. The original prototype aircraft was submitted for testing, and was accepted after some modifications were specified by the military.
13. Among those modifications was the fitting of fixed landing gear, rather than the semi-retractable landing gear of the prototype.
14. The aircraft had perforated flaps.
15. The fixed landing gear had partial fairings.
16. It had both internal and external bomb racks.
17. An A version was quickly produced that featured fully retractable landing gear.
18. The military quickly purchased the new variant; but within two years a new specification, mandated for all aircraft of this type, eliminated this successful plane from further consideration.
19. Nevertheless, the aircraft was still a good plane, and began to sell in other countries.
20. In the end, at least nine foreign countries utilized this aircraft.
21. Of course, a war was looming.
22. Once war broke out, the plane was used for coastal patrol duties.
23. Then, they were used as utility aircraft.
24. The producing country finally retired the last of them before the end of the war.
25. Two crew members.
26. Pilot and gunner.
27. Armament was five machine guns.
28. Bomb load was over 1,000 pounds.
29. It was a monoplane.
30. By the time the retractable gear version was ready and ordered by the military, the developing aircraft company had been purchased by another company.
31. Export versions were sold under the new owning companys name as (Name) Model (number).
32. The last reported active service use was in 1954.
33. By Argentina.
09-09-2017, 09:21 PM
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How about the Northrop A-17, used in the Ecuadorian-Peruvian War of 1941, a conflict of which I was unaware. Wiki here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_A-17
Not at all a bad.-looking plane.
Not at all a bad.-looking plane.
Question: What warbird do I describe?
Clues:
1. This warbird was in front line service for more than 20 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by at least ten countries.
4. It was, for the time, considered to be a very good aircraft.
5. Designed for a single mission.
6. A mission that was redefined regarding aircraft design, thus eliminating our subject aircraft from consideration.
7. Nevertheless, several hundred were produced.
8. It was also used as a patrol aircraft.
9. It was a popular aircraft, very reliable, with no handling vices.
10. This aircraft was used in two simultaneous, though not connected, wars.
11. It was actually derived from a transport aircraft.
12. The original prototype aircraft was submitted for testing, and was accepted after some modifications were specified by the military.
13. Among those modifications was the fitting of fixed landing gear, rather than the semi-retractable landing gear of the prototype.
14. The aircraft had perforated flaps.
15. The fixed landing gear had partial fairings.
16. It had both internal and external bomb racks.
17. An “A” version was quickly produced that featured fully retractable landing gear.
18. The military quickly purchased the new variant; but within two years a new specification, mandated for all aircraft of this type, eliminated this successful plane from further consideration.
19. Nevertheless, the aircraft was still a good plane, and began to sell in other countries.
20. In the end, at least nine foreign countries utilized this aircraft.
21. Of course, a war was looming.
22. Once war broke out, the plane was used for coastal patrol duties.
23. Then, they were used as utility aircraft.
24. The producing country finally retired the last of them before the end of the war.
25. Two crew members.
26. Pilot and gunner.
27. Armament was five machine guns.
28. Bomb load was over 1,000 pounds.
29. It was a monoplane.
30. By the time the retractable gear version was ready and ordered by the military, the developing aircraft company had been purchased by another company.
31. Export versions were sold under the new owning company’s name as “(Name) Model (number)”.
32. The last reported active service use was in 1954.
33.By Argentina.
34. And it was used by Peru.
35. Although some of those aircraft came by way of Norway.
36.It was used by the Netherlands..
37. And by Sweden.
38. And by Iraq.
39. And by Great Britain.
40. And the United States.
41. Not to mention South Africa.
42. And Canada.
Answer: The Northrup A-17/Nomad
The Northrop A-17, a development of the Northrop Gamma 2F was a two-seat, single-engine, monoplane, attack bomber built in 1935 by the Northrop Corporation for the U.S. Army Air Corps. A-17s used by air forces of the British Commonwealth designated the aircraft as the "Nomad."Development and design
The Northrop Gamma 2F was an attack bomber derivative of the Northrop Gamma transport aircraft, developed in parallel with the Northrop Gamma 2C, (of which one was built), designated the YA-13 and XA-16. The Gamma 2F had a revised tail, cockpit canopy and wing flaps compared with the Gamma 2C, and was fitted with new semi-retractable landing gear. It was delivered to the United States Army Air Corps for tests on 6 October 1934, and after modifications which included fitting with a conventional fixed landing gear, was accepted by the Air Corps. A total of 110 aircraft were ordered as the A-17 in 1935. The resulting A-17 was equipped with perforated flaps, and had fixed landing gear with partial fairings. It was fitted with an internal fuselage bomb bay that carried fragmentation bombs and well as external bomb racks.Northrop developed a new landing gear, this time completely retractable, producing the A-17A variant. This version was again purchased by the Army Air Corps, who placed orders for 129 aircraft. By the time these were delivered, the Northrop Corporation had been taken over by Douglas Aircraft Company, export models being known as the Douglas Model 8.Operational history
A-17A cockpitUnited States
The A-17 entered service in February 1936, and proved a reliable and popular aircraft. However, in 1938, the Air Corps decided that attack aircraft should be multi-engined, rendering the A-17 surplus to requirements. From 14 December 1941, A-17s were used for coastal patrols by the 59th Bombardment Squadron (Light) on the Pacific side of the Panama Canal. The last remaining A-17s, used as utility aircraft, were retired from USAAF service in 1944. Other countries
Argentina
Argentina purchased 30 Model 8A-2s in 1937 and received them between February and March 1938. Their serial numbers were between 348 and 377. These remained in frontline service until replaced by the I.Ae. 24 Calquin, continuing in service as trainers and reconnaissance aircraft until their last flight in 1954. Peru
Peru ordered ten Model 8A-3Ps, these being delivered from 1938 onwards. These aircraft were used in combat by Peru in the Ecuadorian-Peruvian war of July 1941. The survivors of these aircraft were supplemented by 13 Model 8A-5s from Norway (see below), delivered via the United States in 1943 (designated A-33). These remained in service until 1958. Sweden
The Swedish government purchased a licence for production of a Mercury-powered version, building 63 B 5Bs and 31 B 5Cs, production taking place from 1938 to 1941. They were replaced in service with the Swedish Air Force by SAAB 17s from 1944. The Swedish version was used as a dive bomber and as such it featured prominently in the 1941 film Fφrsta divisionen.The Netherlands
The Netherlands, in urgent need of modern combat aircraft, placed an order for 18 Model 8A-3Ns in 1939, with all being delivered by the end of the year. Used in a fighter role for which they were unsuited, the majority were destroyed by Luftwaffe attacks on 10 May 1940, the first day of the German invasion. Iraq[edit]
Iraq purchased 15 Model 8A-4s, in 1940. They were destroyed in the Anglo-Iraqi War in 1941.[13]Norway[edit]
Main article: Douglas A-33Norway ordered 36 Model 8A-5Ns in 1940. These were not ready by the time of the German Invasion of Norway and were diverted to the Norwegian training camp in Canada, which became known as Little Norway. Norway decided to sell 18 of these aircraft as surplus to Peru, but these were embargoed by the United States, who requisitioned the aircraft, using them as trainers, designating them the A-33. Norway sold their surviving aircraft to Peru in 1943. Great Britain
In June 1940, 93 ex-USAAC aircraft were purchased by France, and refurbished by Douglas, including being given new engines.[13] These were not delivered before the fall of France and 61 were taken over by the British Purchasing Commission for the British Commonwealth use under the name Northrop Nomad Mk I.South Africa
The RAF assessed the Northrop Nomad Mk Is as "obsolete" and sent them to South Africa for use as trainers, serialed AS440 to AS462, AS958 to AS976 and AW420 to AW438. Canada
The Royal Canadian Air Force received 32 Nomads that had been part of a French order of 93 aircraft. When France fell in 1940, this order was taken over by Great Britain who transferred 32 of the aircraft to Canada where they were used as advanced trainers and target tugs as part of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. These were serialed 3490 to 3521; all were assigned to No. 3 Training Command RCAF. Specifications (A-17)
Data from McDonnell Douglas Aircraft since 1920General characteristics
- Crew: two (pilot and gunner)
- Length: 31 ft 8⅝ in (9.67 m)
- Wingspan: 47 ft 8½ in (14.54 m)
- Height: 11 ft 10½ in (3.62 m)
- Wing area: 363 sq ft (33.7m²)
- Empty weight: 4,874 lb (2,211 kg)
- Loaded weight: 7,337 lb (3,328 kg)
- Powerplant: 1 Χ Pratt & Whitney R-1535-11 Twin Wasp Jr two-row air-cooled radial engine, 750 hp (560 kW)
- Maximum speed: 206 mph (179 knots, 332 km/h)
- Cruise speed: 170 mph (149 knots, 274 km/h)
- Range: 650 mi (565 nmi, 1,046 km)
- Service ceiling: 19,400 ft (5,915 m)
- Rate of climb: 1,350 ft/min (6.9 m/s)
- 4 Χ 0.3 in (7.62 mm) fixed forward M1919 Browning machine guns
- 1 Χ 0.3 in (7.62 mm) trainable rear machine gun
- Internal bay for bombs
- External wing bomb racks (total bomb load 1,200 lb/544 kg)
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09-10-2017, 06:17 AM
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That quiz wasn't all that easy, Ernie. This one is, though.
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
09-11-2017, 04:27 AM
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Good guesses, but not what I'm looking for. Here's this morning's clue:
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
09-11-2017, 04:53 PM
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All good guesses, but not this plane. This clue should narrow your searches.
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
5. Although the service for which it was intended accepted it, it was plagued by production difficulties, problems with its engine, and performance drawbacks. The county in which it was produced took it out of front-line service about four years after it became operational.
__________________Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
5. Although the service for which it was intended accepted it, it was plagued by production difficulties, problems with its engine, and performance drawbacks. The county in which it was produced took it out of front-line service about four years after it became operational.
09-12-2017, 08:12 AM
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Today's clue:
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
5. Although the service for which it was intended accepted it, it was plagued by production difficulties, problems with its engine, and performance drawbacks. The county in which it was produced took it out of front-line service about four years after it became operational.
6. Some of them had a major role in a motion picture.
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Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
5. Although the service for which it was intended accepted it, it was plagued by production difficulties, problems with its engine, and performance drawbacks. The county in which it was produced took it out of front-line service about four years after it became operational.
6. Some of them had a major role in a motion picture.
09-12-2017, 11:22 AM
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Not the P-40. Here's a clue which may give it away, at least to people who have seen the movie. But it could fool people who saw a different picture.
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
5. Although the service for which it was intended accepted it, it was plagued by production difficulties, problems with its engine, and performance drawbacks. The county in which it was produced took it out of front-line service about four years after it became operational.
6. Some of them had a major role in a motion picture.
7. In that movie, they were disguised as another, and very well-known, fighter.
__________________
Looking for the name of an airplane.
1. This warbird was in service for more than 30 years.
2. Although not necessarily with the country of origin.
3. It was, after all, utilized by more than ten countries.
4. The main goal of its design was modest. It was meant to be about as good as a very well-known fighter.
5. Although the service for which it was intended accepted it, it was plagued by production difficulties, problems with its engine, and performance drawbacks. The county in which it was produced took it out of front-line service about four years after it became operational.
6. Some of them had a major role in a motion picture.
7. In that movie, they were disguised as another, and very well-known, fighter.
09-12-2017, 05:57 PM
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OK, uncljoe, I'll call that right, though I was looking in particular for the F-84F, which played the role of MiG 15s in "The Hunters." Originally intended to match the F-86, the F-84F was called an F-84 as an apparent dodge to get Congress to pay for it by claiming that much of the tooling used for the F-84 could be used for the swept-wing version. Which turned out not to be the case. It did share some of the earlier F-84s' shortcomings, such as poor takeoff performance.
Here's the Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ..._Thunderstreak
You're up, unclejoe.
Here's the Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ..._Thunderstreak
You're up, unclejoe.
09-12-2017, 06:05 PM
OK, uncljoe, I'll call that right, though I was looking in particular for the F-84F, which played the role of MiG 15s in "The Hunters." Originally intended to match the F-86, the F-84F was called an F-84 as an apparent dodge to get Congress to pay for it by claiming that much of the tooling used for the F-84 could be used for the swept-wing version. Which turned out not to be the case. It did share some of the earlier F-84s' shortcomings, such as poor takeoff performance.
Here's the Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ..._Thunderstreak
You're up, unclejoe.
Here's the Wiki.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ..._Thunderstreak
You're up, unclejoe.
Give me until the AM for a question
Semper Fi
09-14-2017, 07:02 PM
I've got one, should go quick. If not I'll turn it over to someone else to finish since I'm pressed for time this week
Looking for a combat plane:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
Good Luck
Looking for a combat plane:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
Good Luck
09-15-2017, 06:15 PM
Nope, been there and done that one. Time for the next clue:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
Good Luck
_______________
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
Good Luck
_______________
09-16-2017, 01:19 AM
Time for an early morning clue:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
Good Luck
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
Good Luck
09-17-2017, 12:19 AM
Not one guess? Time for another clue:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
4) This plane had a flaw in it's design that resulted in it's being assigned to a different type of combat mission than it was originally planned to perform
Good Luck
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
4) This plane had a flaw in it's design that resulted in it's being assigned to a different type of combat mission than it was originally planned to perform
Good Luck
09-17-2017, 05:37 PM
Nope, not a single seater. Time for another clue:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
4) This plane had a flaw in it's design that resulted in it's being assigned to a different type of combat mission than it was originally planned to perform
5) This plane, like the big four engine bombers, was flown by a pilot who was, more or less, just a chauffeur for the other crewman, the person that really "took care of business"
Good Luck
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
4) This plane had a flaw in it's design that resulted in it's being assigned to a different type of combat mission than it was originally planned to perform
5) This plane, like the big four engine bombers, was flown by a pilot who was, more or less, just a chauffeur for the other crewman, the person that really "took care of business"
Good Luck
09-17-2017, 08:41 PM
Gee, how about a few more clues, just for good measure:
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
4) This plane had a flaw in it's design that resulted in it's being assigned to a different type of combat mission than it was originally planned to perform
5) This plane, like the big four engine bombers, was flown by a pilot who was, more or less, just a chauffeur for the other crewman, the person that really "took care of business"
6) This plane, initially, took heavy losses in combat. It's mission change ended the huge losses issue and made it a viable combat aircraft
7) From this plane's deployment to it's mission change, only 9 months had elapsed
8) Even with the mission change, this plane was only used in combat for 3 years
Good Luck
1) This plane had a very distinctive shape
2) This plane had a crew of two(not four like my beloved Prowlers)
3) This plane had a single engine, using the same engine as several other more famous aircraft
4) This plane had a flaw in it's design that resulted in it's being assigned to a different type of combat mission than it was originally planned to perform
5) This plane, like the big four engine bombers, was flown by a pilot who was, more or less, just a chauffeur for the other crewman, the person that really "took care of business"
6) This plane, initially, took heavy losses in combat. It's mission change ended the huge losses issue and made it a viable combat aircraft
7) From this plane's deployment to it's mission change, only 9 months had elapsed
8) Even with the mission change, this plane was only used in combat for 3 years
Good Luck
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 09-17-2017 at 08:58 PM.