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Old 09-26-2017, 09:57 AM
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.
Old 09-27-2017, 06:07 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.
Old 09-27-2017, 08:07 AM
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You're not talking about the Bristol Boxkite are you?
Old 09-27-2017, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
You're not talking about the Bristol Boxkite are you?
No, Sir; I am not. However, you aren't all that far off the mark and I encourage you to refine your search criteria. And this next clue may help. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.
Old 09-27-2017, 12:45 PM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.
Old 09-28-2017, 02:11 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.
Old 09-28-2017, 04:47 AM
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Dh-2
Old 09-28-2017, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by elmshoot
Dh-2
Not the Dh-2, elmshoot. This was a trainer, not a fighter; and the Dh-2 didn't have skids. But you are in the right time zone. Maybe this bonus clue will help you in your search. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.
Old 09-28-2017, 09:36 AM
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.
Old 09-28-2017, 03:33 PM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.
Old 09-29-2017, 01:42 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.
Old 09-29-2017, 10:05 AM
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Damn, I'm gone for a week and no one has gotten this yet? Guess I need to start looking around and see what I can find
Old 09-29-2017, 10:07 AM
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.
Old 09-29-2017, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Damn, I'm gone for a week and no one has gotten this yet? Guess I need to start looking around and see what I can find
Hydro Junkie; My apologies. I missed your return. To commemorate the event, here's a bonus clue to help you get back in the swing of things. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.
Old 09-29-2017, 09:20 PM
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How about the Farman S.11 Shorthorn
Old 09-30-2017, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
How about the Farman S.11 Shorthorn
Hydro Junkie; that's an obvious answer and I was expecting someone to try it, but it isn't the plane for which we seek. Maybe this clue will give you an idea. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.

28. Those countries were The United Kingdom and Australia.
Old 09-30-2017, 11:39 AM
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.

28. Those countries were The United Kingdom and Australia.

29. Engine was a Gnome et Rhome.
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.

28. Those countries were The United Kingdom and Australia.

29. Engine was a Gnome et Rhome.

30. An 80 HP Gnome et Rhome.
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.

28. Those countries were The United Kingdom and Australia.

29. Engine was a Gnome et Rhome.

30. An 80 HP Gnome et Rhome.

31. The machine gun tested (9) was a Lewis type.
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Wright Model B, according to Wiki is the first plane to test a machine gun from the air.
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Ernie P,
I appreciate the research that you do on these obscure airplanes I learn quite a bit in doing the looking around mostly from Wiki.
Sadly I usually forget it all within short order. I have CRS
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Originally Posted by elmshoot
Wright Model B, according to Wiki is the first plane to test a machine gun from the air.
Sparky
Sir; not the Wright Model B. There's a reason I said "early experiments", rather than "first experiments". These experiments were among the first in England, not the United States. And I don't really do that much research. I just come across something in my reading that makes me go "huh" or "hmmm." And then I do just a bit of research to make sure I understand the situation and form a question. But I do appreciate the compliment and I hope you enjoy the ride. And maybe this next clue will help you figure this one out; because I'm rapidly running out of clues. Thanks; Ernie P.



What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.

28. Those countries were The United Kingdom and Australia.

29. Engine was a Gnome et Rhome.

30. An 80 HP Gnome et Rhome. 31. The machine gun tested (9) was a Lewis type.

32. And the tests were conducted in 1913.
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BTW, guys; I do hope some one has simply looked up Raymond Collishaw and read about his initial flight training in the RNAS. It would probably prove to be enlightening. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Actually, that's how I got my guess, googling Collishaw
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Actually, that's how I got my guess, googling Collishaw
You're looking in the right place, Sir; you just need to look closer. Maybe this will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?



Clues:

1. This aircraft was primarily utilized as a trainer.

2. It was often referred to by a particular name; although that name properly belonged to an earlier model of the plane.

3. The first aircraft of this type was actually purchased by the navy.

4. Used by both the army and navy.

5. A high scoring ace was trained on, among others, this aircraft.

6. He was in the navy.

7. More than 100 were produced; quite a number for the time.

8. Tandem seating.

9. Early experiments with firing a machine gun utilized this aircraft.

10. In earlier models of this aircraft, seating was a bit Spartan.

11. This model provided a nacelle, where the instructor and student still sat side by side.

12. Earlier models had wings of equal span; though later models had extensions to the top wing.

13. Main landing gear had four wheels.

14. Twin rudders.

15. Four parallel beams.

16. Two from each wing.

17. Pusher engine.

18. The main landing gear also had skids.

19. No tailwheel; just a skid.

20. As was common practice at the time.

21. A small handful of this type survived WWI; and were among the first to be registered when civil aviation was again allowed.

22. The “high scoring ace” mentioned in (5) was a Canadian.

23. He was RNAS.

24. His name was Collishaw.

25. And he was the famed leader of “The Black Flight”.

26. In earlier models, two seats were mounted on the front edge of the lower wing.

27. Only two countries used this trainer.

28. Those countries were The United Kingdom and Australia.

29. Engine was a Gnome et Rhome.

30. An 80 HP Gnome et Rhome. 31. The machine gun tested (9) was a Lewis type.

32. And the tests were conducted in 1913.

33. They were the first tests of that type by the British.


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