Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
07-31-2018, 05:43 AM
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1. Single engine
2. Single seat
3. Unarmed as it was test flown
4. It would qualify as a LSA by today's standards.
5. Subsonic....duh
6. This airplane and another were in competition and neither one proved satisfactory for its intended use.
7. The Germans were slightly more successful using the concept in WW2
8. 3 and 5 cly radial engines were tested on the airplane
9. The plane in question was all metal.
10. The plane in competition with it was more conventional fabric construction.
11. Only 6 were built as well as the competition airplane had 6 built.
12. 18' wing span
13. Folding/removable wings
14. The entire airplane could be stowed in a very limited area.
15. The first airplane to be used successfully in this role or more correctly tested in this role, the experiment didn't ever go past the test stage.
16. Based on a design of the US Bureau of Aeronautics
17. 1922-26
18. Designed for a use on a "Boat"
2. Single seat
3. Unarmed as it was test flown
4. It would qualify as a LSA by today's standards.
5. Subsonic....duh
6. This airplane and another were in competition and neither one proved satisfactory for its intended use.
7. The Germans were slightly more successful using the concept in WW2
8. 3 and 5 cly radial engines were tested on the airplane
9. The plane in question was all metal.
10. The plane in competition with it was more conventional fabric construction.
11. Only 6 were built as well as the competition airplane had 6 built.
12. 18' wing span
13. Folding/removable wings
14. The entire airplane could be stowed in a very limited area.
15. The first airplane to be used successfully in this role or more correctly tested in this role, the experiment didn't ever go past the test stage.
16. Based on a design of the US Bureau of Aeronautics
17. 1922-26
18. Designed for a use on a "Boat"
07-31-2018, 07:57 AM
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1. Single engine
2. Single seat
3. Unarmed as it was test flown
4. It would qualify as a LSA by today's standards.
5. Subsonic....duh
6. This airplane and another were in competition and neither one proved satisfactory for its intended use.
7. The Germans were slightly more successful using the concept in WW2
8. 3 and 5 cly radial engines were tested on the airplane
9. The plane in question was all metal.
10. The plane in competition with it was more conventional fabric construction.
11. Only 6 were built as well as the competition airplane had 6 built.
12. 18' wing span
13. Folding/removable wings
14. The entire airplane could be stowed in a very limited area.
15. The first airplane to be used successfully in this role or more correctly tested in this role, the experiment didn't ever go past the test stage.
16. Based on a design of the US Bureau of Aeronautics
17. 1922-26
18. Designed for a use on a "Boat"
2. Single seat
3. Unarmed as it was test flown
4. It would qualify as a LSA by today's standards.
5. Subsonic....duh
6. This airplane and another were in competition and neither one proved satisfactory for its intended use.
7. The Germans were slightly more successful using the concept in WW2
8. 3 and 5 cly radial engines were tested on the airplane
9. The plane in question was all metal.
10. The plane in competition with it was more conventional fabric construction.
11. Only 6 were built as well as the competition airplane had 6 built.
12. 18' wing span
13. Folding/removable wings
14. The entire airplane could be stowed in a very limited area.
15. The first airplane to be used successfully in this role or more correctly tested in this role, the experiment didn't ever go past the test stage.
16. Based on a design of the US Bureau of Aeronautics
17. 1922-26
18. Designed for a use on a "Boat"
Answer: Cox-Klemin XS-1
The United States began studying the concept in 1922 when two Caspar U.1 seaplanes were purchased from Germany for evaluation at Anacostia Naval Station. One aircraft was later lost during an exhibition flight in 1923, but they provided useful technical information.
The United States Navy ordered six Cox-Klemin XS-1s and six Martin MS-1s, both small seaplanes that like the Caspar U-1 could be disassembled easily. Both were tested aboard S-1 during October and November 1923. Later, Cox-Klemm built the improved XS-2 model, and Loening built the XSL, but the Navy had lost interest in the concept by then.
Problems with launching and recovering the aircraft, and the limited military value caused interest in the concept to wane, and news that the British submarine M2 had sunk during trials in 1933, and damage to the XSL during testings on the sheltered waters of the Anacostia River ended further U.S. Navy development.
The Cox-Klemin XS was a 1920s American experimental scout biplane, the first aircraft to be launched and recovered from a submarine.
Development
Based on a design by the US Bureau of Aeronautics for a simple single-seat scout seaplane that could be disassembled and assembled quickly. Instead of building the aircraft itself the Bureau of Aeronautics contracted the Cox-Klemin Aircraft Corporation to build six aircraft designated XS-1. The aircraft were powered by a 60 hp Lawrance L-4radial engine. One aircraft was re-engined in 1923 with a Kinner engine and re-designated XS-2. Operational history
As part of a series of studies conducted by the United States Navy after World War I into the possibility of submarine borne observation and scouting aircraft, the submarine S-1 became the experimental platform for this project late in 1923. The XS-1, XS-2 and the Martin MS-1 were used for the trials mounted in a cylindrical pod behind the conning tower. After surfacing the aircraft could be rolled out and assembled, it was then launched ballasting the sub until the deck was awash. The first full cycle of surfacing, assembly, launching, retrieving, disassembly, and submergence took place on 28 July 1926, on the Thames River at New London using the XS-2. After further trials during 1926 all the experimental aircraft were scrapped. The Martin MS-1 was an experimental scout biplane ordered by the United States Navy and was intended to operate from a submarine. It first flew in 1923 and the type was used for tests until 1926 when the project was cancelled.
Development
Following World War I, the U.S. Navy Bureau of Aeronautics conducted studies concerning the possibility of submarine-borne observation and scouting aircraft. After surfacing, this plane should be rolled out and quickly assembled. It was planned to launch the seaplane by ballasting the submarine until the deck was awash. The Navy ordered two types of aircraft, the Martin MS-1, constructed of wood and fabric, and the all-metal Cox-Klemin XS. The MS-1 first flew from Lake Erie in early 1923.
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07-31-2018, 08:05 AM
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Ernie,
You are up!
On Number 7 the Germans had a tow behind glider to accomplish the same thing I have no idea how successful it was but I believe I had seen a replica in some museum.
Sparky
You are up!
On Number 7 the Germans had a tow behind glider to accomplish the same thing I have no idea how successful it was but I believe I had seen a replica in some museum.
Sparky
07-31-2018, 10:09 AM
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What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
07-31-2018, 02:15 PM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
07-31-2018, 06:41 PM
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Not the An-2, Sparky; but here's a bonus clue to reward your participation. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
08-01-2018, 06:16 AM
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No correct answers thus far. However, to reward all the participation, here are both a morning clue and a bonus clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
08-01-2018, 07:16 AM
Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clue 5 makes the mystery plane sound like the HMS Dreadnought. Every battleship after her was referred to as a "dreadnaught" until the last round was built just prior to and during WWII
Clue 5 makes the mystery plane sound like the HMS Dreadnought. Every battleship after her was referred to as a "dreadnaught" until the last round was built just prior to and during WWII
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 08-01-2018 at 07:19 AM.
08-01-2018, 01:09 PM
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What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
08-01-2018, 07:35 PM
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Again, no correct answers thus far. However, again, I'll reward all the participation with three more clues. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
08-02-2018, 06:38 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
08-02-2018, 09:39 AM
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I'm going to be busy this afternoon and evening, so here's a couple of clues to aid your search. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
08-02-2018, 02:11 PM
Okay Ernie, you have me totally stumped on this one. A land plane based on a seaplane based on a land plane?
Could it be a Sopwith Tripe? I'm probably wrong but I figure "What the heck"
Could it be a Sopwith Tripe? I'm probably wrong but I figure "What the heck"
08-02-2018, 06:11 PM
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What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.