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Old 10-07-2019, 07:11 AM
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How about the Douglas AC-47 Spooky.
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Originally Posted by Sekhet View Post
How about the Douglas AC-47 Spooky.
Sir; not the Spooky. But here's another bonus clue to reward your efforts. Please try again. Thanks; Ernie P.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.

6. Among these were replacing the semi retractable landing gear with fixed landing gear.
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Beverly?
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Originally Posted by elmshoot View Post
Beverly?
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Ah, Beverly; I remember her so fondly. A real sweetheart; but no part of this hunt, I'm afraid. Still, as customary, you have earned a bonus clue, in addition to the regularly scheduled evening clue. Please try again, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.

The Blackburn B-101 Beverley was a 1950s Britishheavy transport aircraft built by Blackburn and General Aircraft and flown by squadrons of the Royal Air ForceTransport Command from 1957 until 1967.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.

6. Among these were replacing the semi retractable landing gear with fixed landing gear.

7. Which had partial fairings.

8. The flaps were perforated.
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.

6. Among these were replacing the semi retractable landing gear with fixed landing gear.

7. Which had partial fairings.

8. The flaps were perforated.

9. And it had an internal bomb bay.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:13 AM
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Sounds like the Grumman TBM Avenger
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Maybe so, Sir; but it isn't the Avenger. However, you do get a bonus clue. And, I may as well throw in an afternoon clue as well. Thanks; Ernie P.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.

6. Among these were replacing the semi retractable landing gear with fixed landing gear.

7. Which had partial fairings.

8. The flaps were perforated.

9. And it had an internal bomb bay.

10. As well as external bomb racks.

11. An initial order was placed for more than 100 aircraft.
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.

6. Among these were replacing the semi retractable landing gear with fixed landing gear.

7. Which had partial fairings.

8. The flaps were perforated.

9. And it had an internal bomb bay.

10. As well as external bomb racks.

11. An initial order was placed for more than 100 aircraft.

12. New, completely retractable, landing gear was designed.
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Northrop A-17


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Originally Posted by elmshoot View Post

Northrop A-17


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You nailed it, Sparky! Congratulations. I will admit I'm impressed. I didn't think anyone would get this one for several more clues. Good job; and you are now up. Thanks; Ernie P.




What warbird do I describe?



1. This military warbird was actually a derivative of a military transport aircraft design.

2. And the military transport aircraft was itself a derivative of a civilian prototype transport aircraft.

3. Our subject aircraft had revised wing flaps, canopy and tail assembly.

4. And, it was fitted with landing gear that was semi retractable.

5. Our subject aircraft was submitted to the military air service, but was accepted only after some design modifications were made.

6. Among these were replacing the semi retractable landing gear with fixed landing gear.

7. Which had partial fairings.

8. The flaps were perforated.

9. And it had an internal bomb bay.

10. As well as external bomb racks.

11. An initial order was placed for more than 100 aircraft.

12. New, completely retractable, landing gear was designed.

13. And the new design was resubmitted to the air service.

14. And again, more than 100 aircraft were ordered.





Answer: The Northrup A-17





The Northrop A-17, a development of the Northrop Gamma 2F model, was a two-seat, single-engine, monoplane, attack bomber built in 1935 by the Northrop Corporation for the U.S. Army Air Corps. When in British Commonwealth service during World War II, the A-17 was called Nomad.

Development and design

The Northrop Gamma 2F was an attack bomber derivative of the Northrop Gamma transport aircraft, developed in parallel with the Northrop Gamma 2C, (of which one was built), designated the YA-13 and XA-16. The Gamma 2F had a revised tail, cockpit canopy and wing flaps compared with the Gamma 2C, and was fitted with new semi-retractable landing gear. It was delivered to the United States Army Air Corps for tests on 6 October 1934, and after modifications which included fitting with a conventional fixed landing gear, was accepted by the Air Corps. A total of 110 aircraft were ordered as the A-17 in 1935. The resulting A-17 was equipped with perforated flaps, and had fixed landing gear with partial fairings. It was fitted with an internal fuselage bomb bay that carried fragmentation bombs and well as external bomb racks. Northrop developed new landing gear, this time completely retractable, producing the A-17A variant. This version was again purchased by the Army Air Corps, who placed orders for 129 aircraft. By the time these were delivered, the Northrop Corporation had been taken over by Douglas Aircraft Company, export models being known as the Douglas Model 8.

Operational history

United States

The A-17 entered service in February 1936, and proved a reliable and popular aircraft.[5] However, in 1938, the Air Corps decided that attack aircraft should be multi-engined, rendering the A-17 surplus to requirements. From 14 December 1941, A-17s were used for coastal patrols by the 59th Bombardment Squadron (Light) on the Pacific side of the Panama Canal. The last remaining A-17s, used as utility aircraft, were retired from USAAF service in 1944.

Other countries

Argentina

Argentina purchased 30 Model 8A-2s in 1937 and received them between February and March 1938; their serial numbers were between 348 and 377. These remained in frontline service until replaced by the I.Ae. 24 Calquin, continuing in service as trainers and reconnaissance aircraft until their last flight in 1954.

Peru

Peru ordered ten Model 8A-3Ps, these being delivered from 1938 onwards. These aircraft were used in combat by Peru in the Ecuadorian-Peruvian war of July 1941. The survivors of these aircraft were supplemented by 13 Model 8A-5s from Norway (see below), delivered via the United States in 1943 (designated A-33). These remained in service until 1958.

Sweden

The Swedish government purchased a licence for production of a Mercury-powered version, building 63 B 5Bs and 31 B 5Cs, production taking place from 1938 to 1941. They were replaced in service with the Swedish Air Force by SAAB 17s from 1944.[12] The Swedish version was used as a dive bomber and as such it featured prominently in the 1941 film Första divisionen.

The Netherlands

The Netherlands, in urgent need of modern combat aircraft, placed an order for 18 Model 8A-3Ns in 1939, with all being delivered by the end of the year. Used in a fighter role for which they were unsuited, the majority were destroyed by Luftwaffe attacks on 10 May 1940, the first day of the German invasion.

Iraq

Iraq purchased 15 Model 8A-4s, in 1940. They were destroyed in the Anglo-Iraqi War in 1941.

Norway



Main article: Douglas A-33

Norway ordered 36 Model 8A-5Ns in 1940. These were not ready by the time of the German Invasion of Norway and were diverted to the Norwegian training camp in Canada, which became known as Little Norway. Norway decided to sell 18 of these aircraft as surplus to Peru, but these were embargoed by the United States, who requisitioned the aircraft, using them as trainers, designating them the A-33. Norway sold their surviving aircraft to Peru in 1943.

Great Britain

In June 1940, 93 ex-USAAC aircraft were purchased by France, and refurbished by Douglas, including being given new engines.[14] These were not delivered before the fall of France and 61 were taken over by the British Purchasing Commission for the British Commonwealth use under the name Northrop Nomad Mk I.

South Africa

After the RAF assessed the Northrop Nomad Mk Is as "obsolete", most of the Nomads were sent to South Africa for use as trainers and target tugs.[6]
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The Nomads suffered shortages of spare parts (particularly engines) and from 1942 were gradually replaced by Fairey Battles. The last Nomads were retired in 1944.

Canada



The Royal Canadian Air Force received 32 Nomads that had been part of a French order of 93 aircraft. When France fell in 1940, this order was taken over by Great Britain who transferred 32 of the aircraft to Canada where they were used as advanced trainers and target tugs as part of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan. These were serialed 3490 to 3521; all were assigned to No. 3 Training Command RCAF.

Variants

A-17A 36-0207



A-17Initial production for USAAC. Fixed gear, powered by 750 hp (559 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-1535-11 Twin Wasp Jr engine; 110 built.

A-17A

Revised version for USAAC with retractable gear and 825 hp (615 kW) R-1535-13 engine; 129 built.

A-17AS

Three seat staff transport version for USAAC. Powered by 600 hp (447 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-1340 Wasp engine; two built.

Model 8A-1

Export version for Sweden. Fixed gear. Two Douglas built prototypes (Swedish designation B 5A), followed by 63 licensed built (by ASJA) B 5B aircraft powered by 920 hp (686 kW) Bristol Mercury XXIV engine; 31 similar B 5C built by SAAB.

Model 8A-2

Version for Argentina. Fitted with fixed gear, ventral gun position and powered by 840 kW (1,126 hp) Wright R-1820-G3 Cyclone; 30 built.

Model 8A-3N

Version of A-17A for Netherlands. Powered by 1,100 hp (820 kW) Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp S3C-G engine; 18 built.



Model 8A-3P

Version of A-17A for Peru. Powered by 1,000 hp (746 kW) GR-1820-G103 engine; ten built.

Model 8A-4

Version for Iraq, powered by a 1,000 hp (746 kW) GR-1820-G103 engine; 15 built.



Model 8A-5N

Version for Norway, powered by 1,200 hp (895 kW) GR-1830-G205A engine; 36 built. Later impressed into USAAF service as Douglas A-33.

Operators



Argentina
· Fuerza Aérea Argentina
o Grupo "A" de la Escuela de Aplicación de Aviación ("'A' Group, School of Aviation Administration"), El Palomar Air Base
o Regimiento Aéreo Nº3 de Bombardeo Liviano ("3rd Light Bombing Air Regiment"), El Plumerillo Air Base Canada· Royal Canadian Air Force
o No. 3 Training Command o
[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png[/img] Iraq

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png[/img] · Royal Iraqi Air Force

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image002.png[/img] Netherlands

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image002.png[/img] · Luchtvaartafdeeling

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image003.png[/img] Norway

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image003.png[/img] · Norwegian Air Force
o Norwegian Training Unit



[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image004.png[/img] Peru

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image004.png[/img] · Peruvian Air Force

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image005.png[/img] South Africa

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image005.png[/img] · South African Air Force

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image006.png[/img] Sweden

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image006.png[/img] · Swedish Air Force

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image007.png[/img] United States

[img]file:///C:/Users/Ernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image007.png[/img] · United States Army Air Corps · o General Headquarters Air Force o o 3d Attack Group, Barksdale Field o o 17th Attack Group, March Field o o 16th Pursuit Group, Albrook Field o § 74th Attack Squadron

Survivors

· · A-17A, U.S. Army Ser. No. 36-0207 c/n 234, ex-3rd Attack Group (Barksdale Field), On display at the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio· · 8A-3P 4??, ex-31o Escuadrón de Ataque y Reconocimiento. On display at the FAP museum, Las Palmas Peruvian Air Force Base. · · RCAF Nomad 3521 crashed in Lake Muskoka, Ontario December 13, 1940. The wreck was found in July 2010 and both aircraft and the crew's remains were recovered by the RCAF The recovered aircraft will be put on display at the National Air Force Museum of Canada, Trenton, Ontario. ·

Specifications (A-17)

Data from McDonnell Douglas Aircraft since 1920



General characteristics· · Crew: two (pilot and gunner)· · Length: 31 ft 8⅝ in (9.67 m)· · Wingspan: 47 ft 8½ in (14.54 m)· · Height: 11 ft 10½ in (3.62 m)· · Wing area: 363 sq ft (33.7m²)· · Empty weight: 4,874 lb (2,211 kg)· · Loaded weight: 7,337 lb (3,328 kg)· · Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney R-1535-11 Twin Wasp Jr two-row air-cooled radial engine, 750 hp (560 kW)



Performance· · Maximum speed: 206 mph (179 knots, 332 km/h)· · Cruise speed: 170 mph (149 knots, 274 km/h)· · Range: 650 mi (565 nmi, 1,046 km)· · Service ceiling: 19,400 ft (5,915 m)· · Rate of climb: 1,350 ft/min (6.9 m/s)



Armament

· 4 × 0.3 in (7.62 mm) fixed forward M1919 Browning machine guns· · 1 × 0.3 in (7.62 mm) trainable rear machine gun· · Internal bay for bombs· · External wing bomb racks (total bomb load 1,200 lb/544 kg)·
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Nice job Sparky!
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC View Post
Nice job Sparky!
Yeah; I was pretty impressed myself. Ol' Sparky jumped all over that question. I wasn't expecting anyone to get that one for quite a while longer. He did well. Thanks; Ernie P.
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1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
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1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
Another long shot: Sopwith Triplane. Thanks; Ernie P.
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1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
4. Not a US MFG
5. 21 examples were produced and put into service with the country of MFG
6. Conventional Landing gear but it had a back up system.....
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This is going to be a fun one.
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1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
4. Not a US MFG
5. 21 examples were produced and put into service with the country of MFG
6. Conventional Landing gear but it had a back up system.....
7. Not a Triplane
8. 2 Vickers Machine Guns
9. 25 minutes to 5,000m or 16,000'
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1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
4. Not a US MFG
5. 21 examples were produced and put into service with the country of MFG
6. Conventional Landing gear but it had a back up system.....
7. Not a Triplane
8. 2 Vickers Machine Guns
9. 25 minutes to 5,000m or 16,000'
10. Unique concept incorporated in the design was to improve pilots survivability for emergency landings.
11. The upper wing had full span ailerons
12. Not a Biplane
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Any Guesses?
1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
4. Not a US MFG
5. 21 examples were produced and put into service with the country of MFG
6. Conventional Landing gear but it had a back up system.....
7. Not a Triplane
8. 2 Vickers Machine Guns
9. 25 minutes to 5,000m or 16,000'
10. Unique concept incorporated in the design was to improve pilots survivability for emergency landings.
11. The upper wing had full span ailerons
12. Not a Biplane
13. At first glance it might "look like a biplane"
14. Jettisonable fixed landing gear.
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How about the Armstrong Whitworth F.K.10.
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Chris,
Thanks for playing! nope only two wings.
1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
4. Not a US MFG
5. 21 examples were produced and put into service with the country of MFG
6. Conventional Landing gear but it had a back up system.....
7. Not a Triplane
8. 2 Vickers Machine Guns
9. 25 minutes to 5,000m or 16,000'
10. Unique concept incorporated in the design was to improve pilots survivability for emergency landings.
11. The upper wing had full span ailerons
12. Not a Biplane
13. At first glance it might "look like a biplane"
14. Jettisonable fixed landing gear.
15. First flight of our mystery plane was the same year as Lindbergh landed in the country of origin.

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Clue 15 tells me it's a French plane but, other than that, I'm lost
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Hydro,
#15 is a two parter also first flight of the mystery plane was....
1. Not a Mono plane
2. Single Pilot
3. Single Engine
4. Not a US MFG
5. 21 examples were produced and put into service with the country of MFG
6. Conventional Landing gear but it had a back up system.....
7. Not a Triplane
8. 2 Vickers Machine Guns
9. 25 minutes to 5,000m or 16,000'
10. Unique concept incorporated in the design was to improve pilots survivability for emergency landings.
11. The upper wing had full span ailerons
12. Not a Biplane
13. At first glance it might "look like a biplane"
14. Jettisonable fixed landing gear.
15. First flight of our mystery plane was the same year as Lindbergh landed in the country of origin.
16. The lower wing was much smaller, about 1/3 the size.
17. Both upper and lower wings were rectangle in planform.
18. Power was a water cooled V8, Hispano-Suiza 8Fe developing 330Hp
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Okay, it was a French plane that first flew in 1927 but I'M STILL LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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