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Old 02-02-2010, 08:24 PM
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There were NO aircraft in USAF inventory called the C-125. The YC-125 yes... the C-125 no.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:46 PM
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There were NO aircraft in USAF inventory called the C-125. The YC-125 yes... the C-125 no.
Evil .. where are you getting your information Wright Patt. uses the C 125 with the YC in ( ) . My info comes from Northrop in their publication Northrop ...an Aeronautical History FWIW it was published by Northrop Corporation & it could contain errors .
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I believe its a Helio Courier !! Military U10A,B or D of the Air America Fame
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:23 PM
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I think its a glider like the ones used in WWII. And If I remember correctly, they could be deployed by towing behind a fighter or other support craft or drop launched from under the wing of a bomber or cargo plane.
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:24 PM
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No correct answer yet. Keep them coming.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:10 AM
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From the 1946-1948 USAAF Serial Numbers via http://www.afhra.af.mil/ and http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html

48-618/627 Northrop YC-125B Raider
c/n 2502/2511
618 (c/n 2502) flew as N4050K.
619 (c/n 2503) to Frank Ambrose Aviation, Miami as N6521B
620 (c/n 2504) to Frank Ambrose Aviation, Miami as N2562B
621 (c/n 2505) to N2563B with Frank Ambrose Aviation, Miami.
Reported W/O Aug 15, 1960, but seen Miami Int'l May 21, 1964
with Ambrose tls.
623 (c/n 2507) to civil registry as N4194A
624 (c/n 2508) to civil registry as N2564B with Quipco Associates,
Hialeah, FL
625 (c/n 2509) to civil registry as N2565B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation, Miami
626 (c/n 2510) on display at USAF Museum, marked as 48-622
627 (c/n 2511) to civil registry as N2567B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation, Miami.
48-628/640 Northrop YC-125A Raider
c/n 2512/2524
629 (c/n 2513) to civil registry as N2568B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation, Miami
631 (c/n 2515) to civil registry as N2569B
632 (c/n 2516) to civil registry as N2570B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami. Leased by Surinam (Surinaamse Luchtvaart
Maatschappij - SLM) from Ambrose Aviation as PZ-TAO, Jun 11,
1959 nosed over Coeroeni, repaired. Jan 12, 1959 Kayser
Mountains Airstrip; nosed over again. Repaired and flown back but
severely damaged during bad landing.
633 (c/n 2517) to civil registry as N2571B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami
634 (c/n 2518) to civil registry as N3756Q
635 (c/n 2519) to civil registry as N2572B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami
636 (c/n 2520) at Pima Air and Space Museum, Tucson, AZ displayed as XB-GEY.
637 (c/n 2521) to civil registry as N2574B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami
638 (c/n 2521) to civil registry as N2575B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami
639 (c/n 2522) to civil registry as N2576B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami
640 (c/n 2523) to civil registry as N2577B with Frank Ambrose
Aviation of Miami
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Who does one believe the USAF docs. or the Manufactures ? the images I used were from the Northrops plub.
guess it depends on your reference.
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Since they were in USAF inventory and the USAF paid for them, I would believe them...
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Northrop's first post-war civil design was a three-engined STOL passenger and cargo transport named the Northrop N-23 Pioneer. The Pioneer could carry 36 passengers or five tons of cargo and first flew on 21 December 1946. The aircraft had a good performance, but there was little interest due to the availability of cheap war surplus aircraft. The Pioneer was lost in a fatal crash in 1947. In 1948 the United States Air Force expressed interest in an aircraft of the same configuration and placed an order with Northrop for 23 aircraft, 13 troop transports designated the C-125A Raider and 10 for Arctic rescue work designated the C-125B. With the company designation N-32 Raider the first aircraft flew on 1 August 1949.

The aircraft was powered by three 1200hp (895 kW) Wright R-1820-99 Cyclone radial engines. The aircraft could also be fitted with JATO rockets that enabled it to take off in less than 500 ft (152 m). The 13 troop transporters were designated YC-125A in-service and the Arctic rescue version the YC-125B.



I have seen it referred to as both classifications it really just depends on your reference.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:19 PM
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Still awaiting a correct answer on McQuack's Grumman Canoe
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:45 PM
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After some of the answers you guys were getting so quick I did not think this would be that hard. That is why I tossed in the second part of the question. At this point I will take what it is for a correct answer to get things moving again. Then I will tell you the rest of the back story relating to the second and third part. Are any of the Woodland-Davis club members out there? This is sitting in the backyard where our summer club meetings are.
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I hear Cricketts now........
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:23 AM
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How about a clue,, Is this actualy a warbird? I think the cricketts are getting boored.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:44 AM
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This was interesting and fun but it seems to have gone off track.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:34 PM
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O yes definitely a warbird. Produced post WW2 and served in the Korean Era
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:22 PM
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O yes definitely a warbird. Produced post WW2 and served in the Korean Era
Come on, guys; it just ain't that hard. A look at the plane should tell you what use was intended. That, and the era it was used, should lead you to it. I can't answer, but I'll e-mail my guess to McQuack. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:39 PM
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Stinson L-13? (or the Convair L-13 as built by Consolidated)...







Thats all I got...

Could the one pictured be 47-287?
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:40 PM
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I got Ernie's answer and he does know what it is.
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I think it IS the L-13 Grasshopper.
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i'm not much sure but i things this is an H-3 wardog.
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Old 02-05-2010, 02:10 PM
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Evil is correct it is the this is a Convair L-13. Ernie also had the correct answer and knew quite a bit more as well. Good job guys.

The L-13 originally designed by Stinson Aircraft. This was an aircraft that was on the drawing board late in the war but did not arrive till 1946. The USAF took delivery of 300 L-13 between 1946-1947. The L-13 could haul 6 people or pilot, corpman and 2 litters. It was used as a FAC, battlefield aerial photography, medivac , transport and could be fitted with floats. As for the 3 companies there were actually about 5 due to the post war shut down and consolidation of aircraft companies. However in broad strokes Stinson designed it. When Eddie Stinson died after the war the company changed hands a few times and they ended up falling into Vultee's hands who start production on the aircraft. During its short service life it ended under the banner of Convair. This is after Consolidated and Vultee officially merged forming Convair.

As for its 2 odd delivery methods. The L-13 folds up into a small package. One of the design specs it that it was no wider than a Jeep. So the L-13 tail folds up and the wings fold back then the main wheels rotate in. This actually makes the L-13 road worthy to be towed. As you can see in the original picture the wheels are turned in since we just moved our L-13 from the airport into town. The second method was to be able to tow the L-13 behind a C-47 like the gliders of WW2. They would tow the L-13 in deadstick cut it loose then you could start up the engine and fly to your destination. The reason for this is the L-13 only has a range of about 350mi. Not due to lack of fuel due to lack of speed. So by towing it behind the C-47 they could boost its range one way. To my knowledge this was never actually practiced but was part of the design specs from the military when it was designed.

The L-13 was delivered with an inline Franklin engine. Which was good for a boat anchor for the Grumman canoe. Most surplus L-13s were converted over to Lycoming radials and classified as L-13B as a couple picture below.

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COOOOOOOOOL!!!!! an realy genius ingenious project![sm=thumbs_up.gif]
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What happened to Evil Merlin? Is he out trying to find a really hard question?
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