uncljoe

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1. This country chose to build its own all -weather fighter rather than buying American F 86's Sabers
2, Named after a bird of pray.
3.Only 140 were delivered and a significant porportion of these ended up in another country
4.The "other country" converted 67 to ECM (electronic countermeasures)role later in its career.
5. Had tandem main gear.
6.The "other country" used these aircraft in combat, taking part in a pre-emptive strikes against airfields that left 309 emeny aircraft destroyed on the ground.

uncljoe

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Afternoon bonus Clue

1. This country chose to build its own all -weather fighter rather than buying American F 86's Sabers
2, Named after a bird of pray.
3.Only 140 were delivered and a significant porportion of these ended up in another country
4.The "other country" converted 67 to ECM (electronic countermeasures)role later in its career.
5. Had tandem main gear.
6.The "other country" used these aircraft in combat, taking part in a pre-emptive strikes against airfields that left 309 emeny aircraft destroyed on the ground.
7.Neither operators of this aircraft are members of NATO.

uncljoe

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1. This country chose to build its own all -weather fighter rather than buying American F 86's Sabers

2, Named after a bird of pray.

3.Only 140 were delivered and a significant porportion of these ended up in another country

4.The "other country" converted 67 to ECM (electronic countermeasures)role later in its career.

5. Had tandem main gear.

6.The "other country" used these aircraft in combat, taking part in a pre-emptive strikes against airfields that left 309 emeny aircraft destroyed on the ground.

7.Neither operators of this aircraft are members of NATO.
8.Produced from 1956 to 1959
 

uncljoe

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1. This country chose to build its own all -weather fighter rather than buying American F 86's Sabers

2, Named after a bird of pray.

3.Only 140 were delivered and a significant porportion of these ended up in another country

4.The "other country" converted 67 to ECM (electronic countermeasures)role later in its career.

5. Had tandem main gear.

6.The "other country" used these aircraft in combat, taking part in a pre-emptive strikes against airfields that left 309 emeny aircraft destroyed on the ground.

7.Neither operators of this aircraft are members of NATO.
8.Produced from 1956 to 1959
9.Twin Engine & When entered service was the country's only all-weather night fighter.

elmshoot

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NATO name firebar, yak something or other.
sparky

HoundDog

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Sparkey does this help? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28
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[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]Yak-28 on display[/TD]
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[TD]Medium bomber
Reconnaissance
Electronic warfare
Interceptor[/TD]
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[TH]National origin[/TH]
[TD]Soviet Union[/TD]
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[TH]Manufacturer[/TH]
[TD]Yakovlev[/TD]
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[TH]First flight[/TH]
[TD]5 March 1958[/TD]
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[TH]Introduction[/TH]
[TD]1960[/TD]
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[TD]1992 (Russia)[/TD]
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[TD]Soviet Air Forces
Soviet Air Defence Forces
Russian Air Force
Ukrainian Air Force[/TD]
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[TD]1,180[/TD]
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uncljoe

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Elmshoot & hound dog
Aircraft i'm thinking of enter service in 1956 ,4 years earlier than the YAK-28
The countries who flew these "Birds" were NOT members of NATO

1. This country chose to build its own all -weather fighter rather than buying American F 86's Sabers

2, Named after a bird of pray.

3.Only 140 were delivered and a significant porportion of these ended up in another country

4.The "other country" converted 67 to ECM (electronic countermeasures)role later in its career.

5. Had tandem main gear.

6.The "other country" used these aircraft in combat, taking part in a pre-emptive strikes against airfields that left 309 emeny aircraft destroyed on the ground.

7.Neither operators of this aircraft are members of NATO.
8.Produced from 1956 to 1959
9.Twin Engine & When entered service was the country's only all-weather night fighter.

10.One countries flag is red/white /blue the other white / lighter sky blue
Bonus....
Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

• As Fighter-Bomber / Light Bomber:
  • Blackburn Buccaneer
  • Douglas A-3 Skywarrior
  • Douglas B-66 Destroyer
  • English Electric Canberra
  • Ilyushin Il-28/Hong H-5

• As All-Weather Interceptor:
  • Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
  • Gloster Javelin
  • Yakovlev Yak-25
  • Yakovlev Yak-28

JohnnyS

Sud Aviation Vautor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud_Aviation_Vautour
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/vantour.htm

uncljoe

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Johnny S you are the winner![h=1]Sud Aviation Vautour[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]A Vautour IIN[/TD]
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[TD]Fighter-bomber[/TD]
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[TD]Sud Aviation[/TD]
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[TD]16 October 1952[/TD]
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[TD]1958[/TD]
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[TD]1979[/TD]
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Israeli Air Force[/TD]
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The Sud-Ouest Aviation (SNCASO) S.O. 4050 Vautour II was a French bomber, interceptor, and attack aircraft used by the Armιe de l'Air (AdA). Later, 28 of these aircraft were used by the Israeli Air Force. Vautour is the French word for vulture.

[h=2]Contents[/h] [hide]

• 1 Development
• 2 Design
• 3 Variants
  • 3.1 Production
• 4 Operators
• 5 Specifications (Vautour IIA)
• 6 See also
• 7 References
  • 7.1 Notes
  • 7.2 Bibliography
• 8 External links

[h=2]Development[edit][/h]In June 1951 the French Armιe de l'Air (AdA) issued a requirement for a jet aircraft capable of acting as a bomber, a low-level attack aircraft, or an all-weather interceptor. SNCASO adapted its existing S.O. 4000 for this purpose, the first prototype S.O. 4050 making its initial flight on 16 October 1952.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Subsequently named Vautour II, the aircraft was built in three versions. It entered service with the AdA in 1958, with the last French aircraft leaving frontline service in 1979. A few soldiered on in various duties into the early 1980s. The Vautour saw no combat in French service, and for much of its AdA service life it was maligned as obsolete and underpowered. Although a moderately good aircraft when originally produced, it never received sufficiently powerful engines. As an interceptor it was outclassed by the Dassault Mirage III, and as a bomber or attack aircraft its lack of an advanced navigation/attack system was a crippling limitation.
The only export customer for the Vautour was Israel, which purchased 28 for the IDF/AF. The Israeli Vautours also entered service in 1958. They saw combat against Egypt beginning the following year and in a series of actions through the Six Day War and War of Attrition. The Israeli Vautours took part in bombing, strafing and air-to-air engagements. In the Six Day War, over three days Vautours fought repeated combats with Iraqi Air Force fighters while raiding H-3 airfield in Western Iraq. On June 6, 1967, Captain Ben-Zion Zohar scored the type's only aerial victory when he downed an Iraqi Hawker Hunter, although two Vautours fell to the guns of Iraqi Hunters on the following day.[SUP][2][/SUP] In all 15 Vautours were lost. They were retired in 1971 in favor of the A-4 Skyhawk, and the last aircraft left service in March 1972, serving as decoys in the Sinai. The Israelis were pleased with the Vautour's range and versatility, and it was well regarded in Israeli service.
[h=2]Design[edit][/h]

Vautour II N

The Vautour was a shoulder-wing monoplane with a 35° swept wing and a "flying" tail. Two SNECMA Atar 101 turbojet engines were carried in pods in the wings. It had bicycle-type landing gear, with the main units in the fore and aft fuselage and smaller stabilizing gear in the engine pods. The central fuselage carried a large 5.0 meter (16 ft 5 in) weapons bay and substantial internal fuel tankage.
The IIB bomber lacked radar or any other modern nav/attack systems, weapons being aimed by the bombardier in a glass nose section with a World War II-vintage Norden bombsight. Both the IIB and IIA were limited to clear-weather day use. The IIN interceptor had some capacity for night and adverse weather thanks to its radar. In Israeli service, where the weather was generally favorable and daylight missions commonplace, the Vautour's lack of advanced targeting and navigation equipment was not a crippling limitation, but in Europe it was considered a major disadvantage. As a result, the French AdA did not use the single-seat IIA in a frontline capacity, and most IIB bombers were converted to IIBR standard for photo recce work. French IIB could carry a single AN-11 or AN-22 nuclear weapon in its internal weapons bay, although the primary carrier of those weapons was the later Dassault Mirage IV. A fleet of 40 Vautour IIBs constituted the original air-based component of the French force de frappe, the Commandement des Forces Aeriennes Strategique (CFAS) of the French Air Force, established in 1955.[SUP][3][/SUP] They were considered marginal for this strategic bomber role and a requirement for a supersonic replacement was placed soon after, in 1956 (see Dassault Mirage IV).[SUP][4][/SUP]
In response to that same 1956 requirement that produced the Dassault Mirage IV, Sud Aviation proposed a stretched Super Vautour, with a combat radius of 1,700 miles at Mach 0.9.[SUP][5][/SUP]
[h=2]Variants[edit][/h]

Vautour II A

• S.O. 4050-01 : Two-seat all-weather fighter prototype, powered by two 23.5-kN (5,291-lb) Atar 101B turbojet engines. First flew on 16 October 1952. One built.
• S.O. 4050-02 : Single-seat ground-attack prototype, powered by two 27.6-kN (6,217-lb) Atar 101D turbojet engines. First flew on 16 December 1953. One built.
• S.O. 4050-03 : Two-seat bomber prototype, powered by two Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire turbojet engines. First flew on 5 December 1954. One built.

The Vautour was produced in three principal variants, which had 90% commonality:

• IIA: Single-seat, long-range attack aircraft, armed with cannon and bombs (carried internally or on four underwing pylons)
• IIN: Two-seat, all-weather interceptor with DRAC-25AI or DRAC-32AI radar in nose, pilot and co-pilot in tandem seats, armed with cannon, air-to-air missiles, and (theoretically) unguided rockets. The designation was later changed to II-1N.
• IIB: Two-seat bomber with glazed nose position for bombardier/observer replacing cannon pack, carrying bombs internally and on underwing pylons.

Some IIB aircraft were converted to various specialized roles, principally reconnaissance (IIBR and IIBN), ECM, and eventually target tug (IIB-TT).
[h=3]Production[edit][/h]Total production was 149 aircraft, divided as follows:

• Prototypes: 3
• Pre-production: 6
• IIA: 30 (13 for France, 17 for Israel)
• IIB: 40 (36 for France, 4 for Israel)
• IIN: 70 (63 for France, 7 for Israel)

[h=2]Operators[edit][/h]

Vautour IIB 33 "Big Brother" at the Israeli Air Force Museum

France

• Armee de l'Air received 112 aircraft.
  • 92me Escadre de Bombardement operated the Vautour IIB and between 1970 and 1978, some Vautour IINs.
    • Escadron de Bombardement 1/92 "Bourgogne"
    • Escadron de Bombardement 2/92 "Aquitaine"
  • Bombing Training Center operated Vautour IIB variant.
  • 30me Escadre de Chasse Tout Temps operated the Vautour IIN and used several Vautour IIAs for training purposes.
    • 1/30 "Loire"
    • 3/30 "Lorraine"

Israel

• Israeli Air Force received 31 aircraft, operating the type between May 1958 and April 1972.
  • 110 Squadron based at Ramat David operated 19 Vautour IIA and four Vautour IIB aircraft.
  • 119 Squadron based at Tel-Nof operated eight Vautour IINs.

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  Vautour N
  
  

[h=2]Specifications (Vautour IIA)[edit][/h]

Vautour IIN

Data from[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
General characteristics

• Crew: One
• Length: 15.57 m (51 ft 1 in)
• Wingspan: 15.10 m (49 ft 6.5 in)
• Height: 4.94 m (16 ft 2.5 in)
• Wing area: 45 m² (484 ft²)
• Empty weight: 10,000 kg (22,000 lb)
• Loaded weight: 17,500 kg (38,600 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 21,000 kg (46,300 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 Χ SNECMA Atar 101E-3 turbojets, 34.3 kN (7,710 lbf)) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: Mach 0.9, 1,100 km/h (687 mph) at sea level
• Range: 5,400 km (3,375 mi)
• Service ceiling: 15,200 m (50,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 60 m/s (11,820 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 403 kg/m² (82.6 lb/ft²)
• Thrust/weight: 0.4

Armament

• 4x 30mm DEFA cannons with 100 rounds per gun
• Internal weapons bay for maximum of 2,725 kg (6,000 lb) of bombs (typically six 450 kg (1,000 lb) bombs), pack of 116x 68 mm (2.7 in) rockets, camera pack, or two 1,500 liter (400 U.S. gal) fuel tanks
• Four underwing pylons each rated at 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) (inboard) and 500 kg (1,100 lb) (outboard) for total external load of 4,000 kg (8,800 lb); maximum practical weapons load (internal and external) 4,400 kg (9,700 lb) of bombs, rockets, missiles, or napalm tanks

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• Rotem Crisis

Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era

• As Fighter-Bomber / Light Bomber:
  • Blackburn Buccaneer
  • Douglas A-3 Skywarrior
  • Douglas B-66 Destroyer
  • English Electric Canberra
  • Ilyushin Il-28/Hong H-5

• As All-Weather Interceptor:
  • Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
  • Gloster Javelin
  • Yakovlev Yak-25
  • Yakovlev Yak-28

[h=2]References[edit][/h][h=3]Notes[edit][/h]

• Jump up ^ Gunston 1981, p.215.
• Jump up ^ Aloni, Shlomo In a class of its own. The story of the Sud Aviation Vautour in Israeli Service Air Enthusiast #72 November/December 1997 pp50-55
• Jump up ^ Gunston, Bill. Bombers of the West. New York: Charles Scribner's and Sons; 1973. p105
• Jump up ^ Gunston, Bill. Bombers of the West. New York: Charles Scribner's and Sons; 1973. p104
• Jump up ^ Gunston, Bill. Bombers of the West. New York: Charles Scribner's and Sons; 1973. p104

[h=3]Bibliography[edit][/h]

• Gunston, Bill. Fighters of the Fifties. Cambridge, England. Patrick Stephens Limited, 1981. ISBN 0-85059-463-4.

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uncljoe

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Dual post

JohnnyS

That was a good one!

OK, let's see...

1. Monoplane
2. A fatal crash with one of these aircraft led to a long standing prejudice in the military wing of the RFC.

elmshoot

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Never heard of the Vulture it must have been quite a Turkey........
I only studied the Soviet block stuff.
Combat record discusses flying against the Iraq AF and H3 Airfield, been there done that. Jan 91
Sparky

JohnnyS

New clue:

1. Monoplane
2. A fatal crash with one of these aircraft led to a long standing prejudice in the military wing of the RFC.
3. 80 hp engine. 2 built.

Redback

Bristol Coanda Competition Monoplane?Two aircraft built for War Office Military Aeroplane Competition. Powered by 80 hp (60 kW) Gnome engine.


Terry

JohnnyS

Yes! That's it!

This aircraft was the source of the accepted wisdom in the RFC that monoplanes were fundamentally unsound. It was a long time before that was debunked.

You're up! Well done!

Redback

Oh bother, got to figure out a question now!

No worries, got something in mind, just need a little time to figure it out!

Terry

Redback

OK, I'm on it! First clue for the WAGers:

1. Like many post WW2 aircraft, development of this plane was driven by the realisation that aircraft that had performed well in the war were no longer effective.

Redback

No takers so far! Another clue:

1. Like many post WW2 aircraft, development of this plane was driven by the realisation that aircraft that had performed well in the war were no longer effective.
2. Had a long service life with the country of manufacture, was also used by one other country

Redback

A morning clue (here in Oz at least): plus a bonus clue!

1. Like many post WW2 aircraft, development of this plane was driven by the realisation that aircraft that had performed well in the war were no longer effective.
2. Had a long service life with the country of manufacture, was also used by one other country
3. In the late period of the war several other aircraft were pressed into the role
4. The aircraft in question had its roots in one of these, with elements from a completely different source

JohnnyS

B-57 Canberra?

Redback

No, not the Canberra. Another clue

1. Like many post WW2 aircraft, development of this plane was driven by the realisation that aircraft that had performed well in the war were no longer effective.
2. Had a long service life with the country of manufacture, was also used by one other country
3. In the late period of the war several other aircraft were pressed into the role
4. The aircraft in question had its roots in one of these, with elements from a completely different source
5. During its in-service development it "acquired" an extra pair of engines

Terry

uncljoe

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SWAG
KC 97 tanker

Redback

No sir, not the KC 97. Lets throw in another convoluted clue!

1. Like many post WW2 aircraft, development of this plane was driven by the realisation that aircraft that had performed well in the war were no longer effective.
2. Had a long service life with the country of manufacture, was also used by one other country
3. In the late period of the war several other aircraft were pressed into the role
4. The aircraft in question had its roots in one of these, with elements from a completely different source
5. During its in-service development it "acquired" an extra pair of engines
6. The designer of this aircraft died as a result of a mistake that more than a few RCers have made with their models (I know I have!)

Terry

RCKen

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Spilled CA and accidentally glued wing ribs to the back of your elbow, your forehead, and to the end of your nose????????

Ken

Redback

No, not that mistake! An Anzac Day clue:

1. Like many post WW2 aircraft, development of this plane was driven by the realisation that aircraft that had performed well in the war were no longer effective.
2. Had a long service life with the country of manufacture, was also used by one other country
3. In the late period of the war several other aircraft were pressed into the role
4. The aircraft in question had its roots in one of these, with elements from a completely different source
5. During its in-service development it "acquired" an extra pair of engines
6. The designer of this aircraft died as a result of a mistake that more than a few RCers have made with their models (I know I have!)
7. Three versions built. The Mark 2s outlasted the Mark 3s in service.