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Old 05-29-2015, 08:44 PM
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Beechcraft model 18?
Old 05-29-2015, 10:36 PM
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Piper Cub
Old 05-30-2015, 07:40 AM
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AT-6 or Stearman
Pt 19?
Curtis JN4 Jenny? Not cigar yet.

Beechcraft model 18
None of the above sorry

Thou not technically a war plane
1.) It trained almost 90% of the US flyers?
2.) It was at 2 seater (Tandem) <----Not much Help here.

3.) It's a tail Dragger.
4.) It was mainly used before the war
Old 05-30-2015, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Piper Cub
piper cub or J3 J4 or J5 would work as well.
Did U know that the majority of Cubs were built in 1946 and the last in 1947? Ref The Aviators series by the EAA
Hydro Junkie Has grabbed the Brass Ring I'm off this merry go round Your turn go for it
Old 05-31-2015, 12:41 PM
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Talk about a wild guess. Luck does come into play once in a while.
Allrighty then, this one is going to be a daily Double. Two planes that have a trait in common and I need both to have a correct answer. Good Luck
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
Old 05-31-2015, 08:17 PM
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Not one guess? Looks like it's time for a second clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
Old 06-01-2015, 09:41 AM
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I was going to guess the Northrop YB-35 or YB-49 and the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit but…
They were developed over 40 years apart.
Old 06-01-2015, 05:53 PM
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They would have met the common trait in that both were flying wings but no. Time for another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
Old 06-01-2015, 07:25 PM
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B-1?
Old 06-01-2015, 07:43 PM
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Nope, not the B-1. Time for another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
Old 06-02-2015, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Nope, not the B-1. Time for another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
Thunder Bolt P-47 & the Thunder Bolt II the A-10 Wart Hog
oops doesn't fit clue 3
Old 06-02-2015, 03:21 AM
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No, it didn't fit clue 3 but it does merit another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot
Old 06-02-2015, 11:00 AM
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P-51 then came back with a turbine as a COIN fighter not sure about killing the test pilot.
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Old 06-02-2015, 06:37 PM
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Not a Mustang but, again, it earned a clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot
6) The existing design modification was inspired by a similar modification by another country to one of their aircraft
Old 06-04-2015, 03:51 AM
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I'm beginning to wonder, did I make this too hard or what? Regardless, it looks like it's time for another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot
6) The existing design modification was inspired by a similar modification by another country to one of their aircraft
7) Both planes were cancelled, in part, due to "poor performance". In the case of the existing design, it was added weight and drag while in the new design, it was underpowered due to having "substitute" engines engines installed when the planned engines were found to be unavailable

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Old 06-04-2015, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I'm beginning to wonder, did I make this too hard or what? Regardless, it looks like it's time for another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot
6) The existing design modification was inspired by a similar modification by another country to one of their aircraft
7) Both planes were cancelled, in part, due to "poor performance". In the case of the existing design, it was added weight and drag while in the new design, it was underpowered due to having "substitute" engines engines installed when the planned engines were found to be unavailable

Hydro Junkie; don't worry about your question being too hard. We've had questions go more than twenty questions before being solved. We'll figure it out eventually. Just have fun with it. At the moment, I'm wondering if there was any real connection between the two planes you describe. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 06-04-2015, 10:55 PM
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Ernie, trust me, there is a connection. When someone figures it out, the connection will be obvious. With that said, time for another clue:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot
6) The existing design modification was inspired by a similar modification by another country to one of their aircraft
7) Both planes were cancelled, in part, due to "poor performance". In the case of the existing design, it was added weight and drag while in the new design, it was underpowered due to having "substitute" engines engines installed when the planned engines were found to be unavailable
8) Both planes were developed to use a non-standard runway
This last clue may help narrow it down a bit
Old 06-05-2015, 10:45 PM
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Looks like it's clue time again:
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem"
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot
6) The existing design modification was inspired by a similar modification by another country to one of their aircraft
7) Both planes were cancelled, in part, due to "poor performance". In the case of the existing design, it was added weight and drag while in the new design, it was underpowered due to having "substitute" engines engines installed when the planned engines were found to be unavailable
8) Both planes were developed to use a 'non-standard' runway
9) The existing design was powered by a 1200 HP P&W Twin Wasp, the new design was powered by a pair of
Westinghouse J34-WE-32 turbines since the intended J46-WE-2 wasn't ready
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OK, here is a wild guess. The F4F Wildcat and the F3D Skyknight.
Old 06-06-2015, 08:05 AM
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Grumman F4F-3S "Wild Catfish", Convair F2Y Sea Dart
Old 06-06-2015, 10:40 AM
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OOOH that has got to be it! I have three views of the Wildcatfish that I want to modify the Parkzone Wildcat with floats.
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Old 06-06-2015, 02:42 PM
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Evenbigger D got it. Now, as for the clues...........
1) One was based on an existing design, the other was designed from scratch The Wildcatfish had the landing gear replaced with twin Edo floats, the wheel openings faired over and fins added to the rear fuse bottom and out toward the ends of the horizontal stabilizer
2) The two planes were designed roughly 20 years apart The XF4F-1 Wildcat was designed in 1935 as a biplane and redesigned twice, resulting in the Wildcat -3 version that was adopted by the Navy in October 1941. The Sea Dart was proposed in 1948 with an order being placed in 1951 with delivery of the first in December 1952
3) Only one of the existing design aircraft was ever made or flown, five of the scratch planes were built but only three ever flew
4) Both planes were built to circumvent a perceived battlefield "problem" The F4F-3S was built due to the perception that it would be some time between the amphibious landing on an island and air fields being made usable, something that proved to be untrue. The F2Y was started due to the problems of operating supersonic aircraft from a carrier deck, something that was overcome with the use of steam catapults and the angled deck
5) In it's nonmodified form, the first had a very good service record, the scratch built's 2nd plane crashed, killing the pilot The Wildcat had a kill-to-loss ratio of 6.9:1 On 4 November 1954, Sea Dart, BuNo 135762, disintegrated in midair over San Diego Bay during a demonstration for Navy officials and the press, killing Convair test pilot Charles E. Richbourg when he inadvertently exceeded the airframe limitations.
6) The existing design modification was inspired by a similar modification by another country to one of their aircraft The Japanese A6M2-N "Rufe" float fighter was used in the Solomon campaign with good results by the Japanese military
7) Both planes were cancelled, in part, due to "poor performance". In the case of the existing design, it was added weight and drag while in the new design, it was underpowered due to having "substitute" engines engines installed when the planned engines were found to be unavailable The Wildcat went from 331 MPH down to 241, an unacceptable drop. The Sea Dart was supposed to be supersonic, only achieving those speeds once and that being in a shallow dive
8) Both planes were developed to use a 'non-standard' runway Obviously water
9) The existing design was powered by a 1200 HP P&W Twin Wasp, the new design was powered by a pair of
Westinghouse J34-WE-32 turbines since the intended J46-WE-2 wasn't ready


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Old 06-06-2015, 02:51 PM
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I am curious, what gave it away Evenbigger D?
Old 06-06-2015, 03:18 PM
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It was the engines.
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So it must be my turn now; this company made one of the slowest as well as one of the fastest aircraft of World War II

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