Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
11-15-2015, 12:50 PM
And once again, nope. Time for another clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 11-15-2015 at 12:54 PM.
11-16-2015, 01:13 PM
Looks like it's time for another clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
11-16-2015, 06:46 PM
Not the Blenheim. Time for another clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
11-17-2015, 07:41 AM
Appears to be that time again.
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
11-18-2015, 12:19 AM
Not the P-63 and the P-38M doesn't conform with clue 7.
Time for another clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
8) This plane, in it's modified form, was equal to or better than planes "purpose built" to do the same type of missions
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
Time for another clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
8) This plane, in it's modified form, was equal to or better than planes "purpose built" to do the same type of missions
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
11-18-2015, 06:55 AM
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Well, some of the F-5 photorecon versions of the P-38 had external man-carrying pods fitted, and they fit most of the other clues. Not entirely sure that the guys in the pods were additional crew members, though, but I think some of them may have had a crew member with a camera in there. Otherwise, seems like a good fit with the clues: the engines' rotation direction gave new pilots fits, the early P-38s had engine problems at high altitudes, the F-5 out-performed the P-61, etc. The "modification," in addition to the pods, was swapping the guns for cameras. And I think some of them had external fuel tanks, to extend their already long range.
Last edited by Top_Gunn; 11-18-2015 at 11:26 AM. Reason: Add reference to external fuel tanks
11-19-2015, 01:42 AM
Wasn't the P-38 F-5. You have to remember, the P-51, Spitfire and several other planes were modified for photographic and recon work but none were designed or "purpose built" as photo/recon planes until the U-2 and SR-71 were built over a decade later, so your guess doesn't conform with clue 8, nice try though.
Time for the next clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
8) This plane, in it's modified form, was equal to or better than planes "purpose built" to do the same type of missions
9) This plane, in both it's original and modified forms, operated with aircraft "purpose built" to do the same job as this plane in it's modified form
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
Time for the next clue:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
8) This plane, in it's modified form, was equal to or better than planes "purpose built" to do the same type of missions
9) This plane, in both it's original and modified forms, operated with aircraft "purpose built" to do the same job as this plane in it's modified form
Remember folks, need the plane AND the modification to be correct
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 11-19-2015 at 01:48 AM.
11-19-2015, 07:37 AM
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OK, I'll give it another shot. I've found a couple of references to P-38s with Norden bombsights being used as bombers when extreme range was needed. These would have had a second crew member (the bombardier), armament removed to make room for the sight, and an external modification of pylons to attach the bombs. One of these (a discussion forum for some sort of online war game) claimed that post-war assessments of bombing accuracy showed them doing better than conventional bombers. Not sure these were factory modifications, though. Perhaps I've just gotten hung up on P-38s (which the Germans certainly did not call "fork-tailed devils": the Germans were not impressed with the P-38).
11-19-2015, 02:14 PM
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Or how about the B-57G Pave Gat.....
B-57s returned to Southeast Asia in the form of the Tropic Moon III B-57G, deployed to Thailand during the fall of 1970.[SUP][22][/SUP] Intended as a night intruder to help combat movement along the Ho Chi Minh trail, these aircraft were equipped with a variety of new sensors and other equipment, and were capable of dropping laser guided munitions.[SUP][23][/SUP] The relative kill rates per sortie during Operation Commando Hunt V between the B-57G and the AC-130A/E showed that the former was not as suited to the role of trucker hunter.[SUP][24][/SUP] An attempt to combine both led to one B-57G being modified to house a special bomb bay installation of one Emerson TAT-161 turret with a single M61 20mm cannon as a gunship under project Pave Gat. After delays in testing at Eglin AFB, Florida, due to competition for mission time from the Tropic Moon III B-57Gs, Pave Gat tests proved "that the B-57G could hit stationary or moving targets with its 20mm gun, day or night. Loaded with 4,000 rounds of ammunition, the Pave Gat B-57G could hit as many as 20 targets, three times as many as the bomb-carrying B-57G. The Pave Gat aircraft could avoid antiaircraft fire by firing from offset positions, while the bomb carrier had to pass directly over the target." Deployment to SEA was resisted, however, by the Seventh and Thirteenth Air Forces and others as the decision had been made in August 1971 to return the B-57G squadron to the U.S. in early 1972, leaving insufficient evaluation time. Project Pave Gat was terminated 21 December 1971.[SUP][25][/SUP] The B-57G was removed from Thailand in May 1972. Plans remained for the continuation of the B-57G program but post-conflict spending cuts forced the abandonment of these plans
CB
B-57s returned to Southeast Asia in the form of the Tropic Moon III B-57G, deployed to Thailand during the fall of 1970.[SUP][22][/SUP] Intended as a night intruder to help combat movement along the Ho Chi Minh trail, these aircraft were equipped with a variety of new sensors and other equipment, and were capable of dropping laser guided munitions.[SUP][23][/SUP] The relative kill rates per sortie during Operation Commando Hunt V between the B-57G and the AC-130A/E showed that the former was not as suited to the role of trucker hunter.[SUP][24][/SUP] An attempt to combine both led to one B-57G being modified to house a special bomb bay installation of one Emerson TAT-161 turret with a single M61 20mm cannon as a gunship under project Pave Gat. After delays in testing at Eglin AFB, Florida, due to competition for mission time from the Tropic Moon III B-57Gs, Pave Gat tests proved "that the B-57G could hit stationary or moving targets with its 20mm gun, day or night. Loaded with 4,000 rounds of ammunition, the Pave Gat B-57G could hit as many as 20 targets, three times as many as the bomb-carrying B-57G. The Pave Gat aircraft could avoid antiaircraft fire by firing from offset positions, while the bomb carrier had to pass directly over the target." Deployment to SEA was resisted, however, by the Seventh and Thirteenth Air Forces and others as the decision had been made in August 1971 to return the B-57G squadron to the U.S. in early 1972, leaving insufficient evaluation time. Project Pave Gat was terminated 21 December 1971.[SUP][25][/SUP] The B-57G was removed from Thailand in May 1972. Plans remained for the continuation of the B-57G program but post-conflict spending cuts forced the abandonment of these plans
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11-19-2015, 02:24 PM
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How about the A-3 Sky Warrior? Went from a nuclear bomber to a EW platform putting Moles in the back to run the gear.
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11-19-2015, 06:39 PM
Okay guys, we have a winner, to be named in a bit. I'll address the other guesses first.
Hound Dog and CB, no, not the RB-57. There were several changes that were visible, starting with the wings being enlarged as well as an engine change
Sparky, did you ever see a EA-3 "Whale" up close? That thing had several obvious antennas and fairings added. It also had no issues with high altitude flight
Top_Gunn, the P-38 had combination racks on them designed to carry bombs or drop tanks so that wasn't the factory modification
And now, to give the relevance to the clues:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
Designed in 1937, this plane was the manufacturer's attempt to meet the requirements of the US Army Air Corps' Circular Proposal X-608 which called for a high-altitude interceptor capable of 360 mph and reaching 20,000 ft. within six minutes.
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
Detonation was a major problem and at high altitude. Engines detonated without warning and occurred so quickly that the engine would tear itself apart. Detonation was detrimental to the pistons, rods and crankshafts. High carburetor air temperatures using excessive manifold pressure were one cause of detonation. 45 degrees Celsius was the maximum carburetor air temperature that the engine could withstand. For war considerations, 91 octane was used in training and if more than 44 inches of manifold pressure was used, it would cause engine detonation.
At 30,000 ft. (9,144 m), the intercoolers separated the lead from the fuel lowering octane and resulted in fouled plugs, thrown rods, and swallowed valves. 150 octane fuels were tried in Europe, but the leaded fuel fouled the plugs, because of the cold operating temperatures and supercharger regulators froze at high altitude
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
The cockpit layout made operating some of the controls difficult as well as not having any clear "engine out" procedures made it dangerous for new pilots to fly
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
A bombardier station was added in the nose
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
A clear nose was added to facilitate the use of the bomb site
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
Only this plane, the P-39 Aircobra and P61 used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
To make room for a Norden bomb site and operator, the four 50 caliber guns and the 20mm cannon were removed
8) This plane, in it's modified form, was equal to or better than planes "purpose built" to do the same type of missions
This plane's 4,000 pound bomb load was larger than several purpose built bombers and it was able to drop it's load with greater accuracy
9) This plane, in both it's original and modified forms, operated with aircraft "purpose built" to do the same job as this plane in it's modified form
This plane was used as an escorting fighter and "bomber leader" on several missions
AND NOW, THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The P‑38J (so-called "Droop Snoot"), was typically the lead plane on level bombing missions. The concept of converting a P‑38 into a "leader" bomber was from General Don Ostrander and Col. Cass S. Hough.
They wanted to modify the P‑38 to accommodate a bombardier by changing out the powerful firepower of the plane and installing a plexiglas nosecone, a top-secret Nordic bombsite and extra body armor. Ostrander served as bombardier on the initial test missions of the Droopsnoot over Europe.
As the bombardier was tucked into the nose, not sure how he would bail out from that postition.
The original color scheme was olive-drab-over-gray camouflage, and was most often associated with the 8th AF in Europe, although they were also flown in the CBI theater.
TOP_GUNN, YOU'RE UP
Hound Dog and CB, no, not the RB-57. There were several changes that were visible, starting with the wings being enlarged as well as an engine change
Sparky, did you ever see a EA-3 "Whale" up close? That thing had several obvious antennas and fairings added. It also had no issues with high altitude flight
Top_Gunn, the P-38 had combination racks on them designed to carry bombs or drop tanks so that wasn't the factory modification
And now, to give the relevance to the clues:
Many aircraft were modified in the field to improve combat performance and versatility. This one was a factory modification that took advantage of one of this successful plane's known strengths. While the modification was highly successful, the field commanders felt it was not needed so this aircraft is not one that is well known. Name the plane and the modification
1) This was a post WWI design
Designed in 1937, this plane was the manufacturer's attempt to meet the requirements of the US Army Air Corps' Circular Proposal X-608 which called for a high-altitude interceptor capable of 360 mph and reaching 20,000 ft. within six minutes.
2) This plane, in it's original form, had problems at high altitudes
Detonation was a major problem and at high altitude. Engines detonated without warning and occurred so quickly that the engine would tear itself apart. Detonation was detrimental to the pistons, rods and crankshafts. High carburetor air temperatures using excessive manifold pressure were one cause of detonation. 45 degrees Celsius was the maximum carburetor air temperature that the engine could withstand. For war considerations, 91 octane was used in training and if more than 44 inches of manifold pressure was used, it would cause engine detonation.
At 30,000 ft. (9,144 m), the intercoolers separated the lead from the fuel lowering octane and resulted in fouled plugs, thrown rods, and swallowed valves. 150 octane fuels were tried in Europe, but the leaded fuel fouled the plugs, because of the cold operating temperatures and supercharger regulators froze at high altitude
3) This plane, in it's original form, was not a pilot-friendly aircraft to inexperienced flyers
The cockpit layout made operating some of the controls difficult as well as not having any clear "engine out" procedures made it dangerous for new pilots to fly
4) This plane, in it's new configuration, required additional aircrew to operate
A bombardier station was added in the nose
5) This plane, in it's new configuration, was visibly modified EXTERNALLY in only one location
A clear nose was added to facilitate the use of the bomb site
6) This plane was one that used tricycle gear
Only this plane, the P-39 Aircobra and P61 used tricycle gear
7) This plane had it's armament removed and specialized equipment installed for it's "new role"
To make room for a Norden bomb site and operator, the four 50 caliber guns and the 20mm cannon were removed
8) This plane, in it's modified form, was equal to or better than planes "purpose built" to do the same type of missions
This plane's 4,000 pound bomb load was larger than several purpose built bombers and it was able to drop it's load with greater accuracy
9) This plane, in both it's original and modified forms, operated with aircraft "purpose built" to do the same job as this plane in it's modified form
This plane was used as an escorting fighter and "bomber leader" on several missions
AND NOW, THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The P‑38J (so-called "Droop Snoot"), was typically the lead plane on level bombing missions. The concept of converting a P‑38 into a "leader" bomber was from General Don Ostrander and Col. Cass S. Hough.
They wanted to modify the P‑38 to accommodate a bombardier by changing out the powerful firepower of the plane and installing a plexiglas nosecone, a top-secret Nordic bombsite and extra body armor. Ostrander served as bombardier on the initial test missions of the Droopsnoot over Europe.
As the bombardier was tucked into the nose, not sure how he would bail out from that postition.
The original color scheme was olive-drab-over-gray camouflage, and was most often associated with the 8th AF in Europe, although they were also flown in the CBI theater.
TOP_GUNN, YOU'RE UP
11-19-2015, 10:03 PM
Some very interesting reading on the life and modifications made to the long run of production and field mods made to the P-38/F5
http://www.aerofiles.com/JBlock-p38j.html
http://www.aerofiles.com/JBlock-p38j.html
11-20-2015, 05:32 AM
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Interesting history. I had never heard of the use of the P-38 in bombing missions (other than fighter escort, of course).
Here's another name-the-aircraft question:
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
Here's another name-the-aircraft question:
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
11-20-2015, 12:10 PM
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Afternoon clue:
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
11-21-2015, 05:10 AM
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Morning clue:
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
11-21-2015, 08:38 AM
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Another clue:
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
5. Some of them were manufactured by a company best known for making automobiles.
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
5. Some of them were manufactured by a company best known for making automobiles.
11-22-2015, 05:52 AM
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Sunday morning clue clue:
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
5. Some of them were manufactured by a company best known for making automobiles.
6. (See clue no.2) Another company designed and built a similar aircraft named for the other brother.
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
5. Some of them were manufactured by a company best known for making automobiles.
6. (See clue no.2) Another company designed and built a similar aircraft named for the other brother.
11-22-2015, 02:29 PM
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Afternoon clue (tried to post this earlier, but it disappeared):
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
5. Some of them were manufactured by a company best known for making automobiles.
6. (See clue no.2) Another company designed and built a similar aircraft named for the other brother.
7. Some were manufactured by a company that made furniture.
1. Played a role in several well-known battles.
2. Named for one of two brothers, who featured in the history of the country in which it was produced.
3. Approximately 4000 were built; perhaps even more. Accounts vary.
4. Crew of two.
5. Some of them were manufactured by a company best known for making automobiles.
6. (See clue no.2) Another company designed and built a similar aircraft named for the other brother.
7. Some were manufactured by a company that made furniture.