Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
01-25-2016, 08:22 AM
USS Wolverine and USS Sable?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_%28IX-64%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_%28IX-81%29
"The USS Sable and her sister ship, the USS Wolverine, hold the distinction of being the only fresh water, coal-driven, side paddle-wheel aircraft carriers used by the United States Navy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_%28IX-64%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_%28IX-81%29
"The USS Sable and her sister ship, the USS Wolverine, hold the distinction of being the only fresh water, coal-driven, side paddle-wheel aircraft carriers used by the United States Navy."
01-25-2016, 09:25 AM
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USS Wolverine and USS Sable?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_%28IX-64%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_%28IX-81%29
"The USS Sable and her sister ship, the USS Wolverine, hold the distinction of being the only fresh water, coal-driven, side paddle-wheel aircraft carriers used by the United States Navy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_%28IX-64%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_%28IX-81%29
"The USS Sable and her sister ship, the USS Wolverine, hold the distinction of being the only fresh water, coal-driven, side paddle-wheel aircraft carriers used by the United States Navy."
01-25-2016, 10:30 AM
Were they not related to the flyers and were they not used for training them to land on a flight deck? I've never seen where it said it had to be planes, pilots or armaments so I went for the obscure, but no more so than some of the questions dealing with designers or, for that matter, a gunner that no one's ever heard of. I've seen both of these and would like to know how is a training aid any different than a designer, a gunner or an actual training plane? I stayed away from combat ships because there are too many and too many similar stories related to them. Anyway, here's the breakdown on the clues:
1) These were adapted from another design for the military both were coal fired steamers before being cut down and fitted with flight decks
2) These were used for advanced training before deployment both operated Wildcats and Avengers in a training role
3) These were smaller than their active duty equivalents Both were at least 100 feet shorter than the escort carriers used in combat
4) These operated in a different environment than their active duty equivalents As stated above, they operated on Lake Michigan and were based in Chicago
5) While using an outdated propulsion system, these were able to outperform larger versions used operationally They used reciprocating engines, not seen since the Nevada class battleships and were roughly 10 knots faster
6) These carried absolutely no weapons but did aid in training pilots to do a specific maneuver They were used to train the pilots on how to land on a moving flight deck
7) The training provided with these aided in the pilot's ability to get home safely Same as #6
8) While in operation, these put out clouds of black exhaust The boilers were coal fires, putting out a large amount of black smoke
9) These were the only ones that required a "black gang" to refuel them (now if that doesn't give it away, nothing will
) Black Gange was a slang term used to describe those that shoveled coal into the burners as well as filling the bunkers
10) These used larger "paddle blades" than their operational cousins paddle wheels were larger than the props used on operational carriers
11) The "fossile fuel" used by the engines was unprocessed, unlike their operational cousins As has been already said, these were coal fired
And now, to quote Ed McMahon, "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
1) These were adapted from another design for the military both were coal fired steamers before being cut down and fitted with flight decks
2) These were used for advanced training before deployment both operated Wildcats and Avengers in a training role
3) These were smaller than their active duty equivalents Both were at least 100 feet shorter than the escort carriers used in combat
4) These operated in a different environment than their active duty equivalents As stated above, they operated on Lake Michigan and were based in Chicago
5) While using an outdated propulsion system, these were able to outperform larger versions used operationally They used reciprocating engines, not seen since the Nevada class battleships and were roughly 10 knots faster
6) These carried absolutely no weapons but did aid in training pilots to do a specific maneuver They were used to train the pilots on how to land on a moving flight deck
7) The training provided with these aided in the pilot's ability to get home safely Same as #6
8) While in operation, these put out clouds of black exhaust The boilers were coal fires, putting out a large amount of black smoke
9) These were the only ones that required a "black gang" to refuel them (now if that doesn't give it away, nothing will
) Black Gange was a slang term used to describe those that shoveled coal into the burners as well as filling the bunkers10) These used larger "paddle blades" than their operational cousins paddle wheels were larger than the props used on operational carriers
11) The "fossile fuel" used by the engines was unprocessed, unlike their operational cousins As has been already said, these were coal fired
And now, to quote Ed McMahon, "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 01-25-2016 at 11:18 AM.
01-25-2016, 11:30 AM
Awesome! Coal-fired and paddlewheel aircraft carriers: How steampunk!
OK, now for a new set of clues.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
OK, now for a new set of clues.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
01-25-2016, 01:42 PM
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Were they not related to the flyers and were they not used for training them to land on a flight deck? I've never seen where it said it had to be planes, pilots or armaments so I went for the obscure, but no more so than some of the questions dealing with designers or, for that matter, a gunner that no one's ever heard of. I've seen both of these and would like to know how is a training aid any different than a designer, a gunner or an actual training plane? I stayed away from combat ships because there are too many and too many similar stories related to them. Anyway, here's the breakdown on the clues:
1) These were adapted from another design for the military both were coal fired steamers before being cut down and fitted with flight decks
2) These were used for advanced training before deployment both operated Wildcats and Avengers in a training role
3) These were smaller than their active duty equivalents Both were at least 100 feet shorter than the escort carriers used in combat
4) These operated in a different environment than their active duty equivalents As stated above, they operated on Lake Michigan and were based in Chicago
5) While using an outdated propulsion system, these were able to outperform larger versions used operationally They used reciprocating engines, not seen since the Nevada class battleships and were roughly 10 knots faster
6) These carried absolutely no weapons but did aid in training pilots to do a specific maneuver They were used to train the pilots on how to land on a moving flight deck
7) The training provided with these aided in the pilot's ability to get home safely Same as #6
8) While in operation, these put out clouds of black exhaust The boilers were coal fires, putting out a large amount of black smoke
9) These were the only ones that required a "black gang" to refuel them (now if that doesn't give it away, nothing will
) Black Gange was a slang term used to describe those that shoveled coal into the burners as well as filling the bunkers
10) These used larger "paddle blades" than their operational cousins paddle wheels were larger than the props used on operational carriers
11) The "fossile fuel" used by the engines was unprocessed, unlike their operational cousins As has been already said, these were coal fired
And now, to quote Ed McMahon, "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
1) These were adapted from another design for the military both were coal fired steamers before being cut down and fitted with flight decks
2) These were used for advanced training before deployment both operated Wildcats and Avengers in a training role
3) These were smaller than their active duty equivalents Both were at least 100 feet shorter than the escort carriers used in combat
4) These operated in a different environment than their active duty equivalents As stated above, they operated on Lake Michigan and were based in Chicago
5) While using an outdated propulsion system, these were able to outperform larger versions used operationally They used reciprocating engines, not seen since the Nevada class battleships and were roughly 10 knots faster
6) These carried absolutely no weapons but did aid in training pilots to do a specific maneuver They were used to train the pilots on how to land on a moving flight deck
7) The training provided with these aided in the pilot's ability to get home safely Same as #6
8) While in operation, these put out clouds of black exhaust The boilers were coal fires, putting out a large amount of black smoke
9) These were the only ones that required a "black gang" to refuel them (now if that doesn't give it away, nothing will
) Black Gange was a slang term used to describe those that shoveled coal into the burners as well as filling the bunkers10) These used larger "paddle blades" than their operational cousins paddle wheels were larger than the props used on operational carriers
11) The "fossile fuel" used by the engines was unprocessed, unlike their operational cousins As has been already said, these were coal fired
And now, to quote Ed McMahon, "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
01-25-2016, 05:49 PM
Hydro Junkie,
I always try to provide enough info to give a good chance to identify the aircraft. I want to respect the time and effort of the other participants in this thread, since it avoids wild-goose chases.
I'm not saying that's the right way for everybody so please everybody, don't take it as a criticism. It's just my preference.
JS
I always try to provide enough info to give a good chance to identify the aircraft. I want to respect the time and effort of the other participants in this thread, since it avoids wild-goose chases.
I'm not saying that's the right way for everybody so please everybody, don't take it as a criticism. It's just my preference.
JS
01-25-2016, 08:25 PM
Hydro Junkie,
I always try to provide enough info to give a good chance to identify the aircraft. I want to respect the time and effort of the other participants in this thread, since it avoids wild-goose chases.
I'm not saying that's the right way for everybody so please everybody, don't take it as a criticism. It's just my preference.
JS
I always try to provide enough info to give a good chance to identify the aircraft. I want to respect the time and effort of the other participants in this thread, since it avoids wild-goose chases.
I'm not saying that's the right way for everybody so please everybody, don't take it as a criticism. It's just my preference.
JS
01-25-2016, 09:18 PM
[QUOTE=Hydro Junkie;12167115]Were they not related to the flyers and were they not used for training them to land on a flight deck? I've never seen where it said it had to be planes, pilots or armaments so I went for the obscure, but no more so than some of the questions dealing with designers or, for that matter, a gunner that no one's ever heard of. I've seen both of these and would like to know how is a training aid any different than a designer, a gunner or an actual training plane? I stayed away from combat ships because there are too many and too many similar stories related to them. Anyway, here's the breakdown on the clues:
1) These were adapted from another design for the military both were coal fired steamers before being cut down and fitted with flight decks
2) These were used for advanced training before deployment both operated Wildcats and Avengers in a training role
3) These were smaller than their active duty equivalents Both were at least 100 feet shorter than the escort carriers used in combat
4) These operated in a different environment than their active duty equivalents As stated above, they operated on Lake Michigan and were based in Chicago
5) While using an outdated propulsion system, these were able to outperform larger versions used operationally They used reciprocating engines, not seen since the Nevada class battleships and were roughly 10 knots faster
6) These carried absolutely no weapons but did aid in training pilots to do a specific maneuver They were used to train the pilots on how to land on a moving flight deck
7) The training provided with these aided in the pilot's ability to get home safely Same as #6
8) While in operation, these put out clouds of black exhaust The boilers were coal fires, putting out a large amount of black smoke
9) These were the only ones that required a "black gang" to refuel them (now if that doesn't give it away, nothing will ) Black Gange was a slang term used to describe those that shoveled coal into the burners as well as filling the bunkers
10) These used larger "paddle blades" than their operational cousins paddle wheels were larger than the props used on operational carriers
11) The "fossile fuel" used by the engines was unprocessed, unlike their operational cousins As has been already said, these were coal fired
And now, to quote Ed McMahon, "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Anyone now how many training accidents happened on the USS Wolverine and USS sable during their time in service on Lake Michigan ... Or where to find a list of navel aircraft at the bottom of lake Michigan?
1) These were adapted from another design for the military both were coal fired steamers before being cut down and fitted with flight decks
2) These were used for advanced training before deployment both operated Wildcats and Avengers in a training role
3) These were smaller than their active duty equivalents Both were at least 100 feet shorter than the escort carriers used in combat
4) These operated in a different environment than their active duty equivalents As stated above, they operated on Lake Michigan and were based in Chicago
5) While using an outdated propulsion system, these were able to outperform larger versions used operationally They used reciprocating engines, not seen since the Nevada class battleships and were roughly 10 knots faster
6) These carried absolutely no weapons but did aid in training pilots to do a specific maneuver They were used to train the pilots on how to land on a moving flight deck
7) The training provided with these aided in the pilot's ability to get home safely Same as #6
8) While in operation, these put out clouds of black exhaust The boilers were coal fires, putting out a large amount of black smoke
9) These were the only ones that required a "black gang" to refuel them (now if that doesn't give it away, nothing will
) Black Gange was a slang term used to describe those that shoveled coal into the burners as well as filling the bunkers10) These used larger "paddle blades" than their operational cousins paddle wheels were larger than the props used on operational carriers
11) The "fossile fuel" used by the engines was unprocessed, unlike their operational cousins As has been already said, these were coal fired
And now, to quote Ed McMahon, "HERE'S JOHNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[/QUOTE]
Anyone now how many training accidents happened on the USS Wolverine and USS sable during their time in service on Lake Michigan ... Or where to find a list of navel aircraft at the bottom of lake Michigan?
01-26-2016, 10:35 AM
Following the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy converted two existing lake steamers into aircraft carriers. The Navy acquired two vessels from the Cleveland and Buffalo Transit Company and converted them into the USS Wolverine and USS Sable. Retaining their original propulsion system, they became the only coal-driven side paddle-wheel aircraft carriers in U.S. Navy history.
Operating on the relatively calm waters of Lake Michigan, the ships offered inexperienced pilots a landing deck that didn’t pitch and roll too severely. The ships were safe from Japanese or German submarines and did not require escort ships badly needed elsewhere. 120,000 successful landings took place, qualifying 17,800 pilots for aircraft carrier operations, including former President George H.W. Bush. There were 128 aircraft lost and over 200 accidents during training.
Operating on the relatively calm waters of Lake Michigan, the ships offered inexperienced pilots a landing deck that didn’t pitch and roll too severely. The ships were safe from Japanese or German submarines and did not require escort ships badly needed elsewhere. 120,000 successful landings took place, qualifying 17,800 pilots for aircraft carrier operations, including former President George H.W. Bush. There were 128 aircraft lost and over 200 accidents during training.
01-26-2016, 01:45 PM
New clue!!
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
01-26-2016, 04:51 PM
HoundDog. FWIW all of the aircraft that are at the bottom of Lake Michigan still belong to the US Navy....... I belive the latest retrieval was of a SBD in the late 90's
Semper Fi
Joe
Semper Fi
Joe
01-26-2016, 07:50 PM
Following the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy converted two existing lake steamers into aircraft carriers. The Navy acquired two vessels from the Cleveland and Buffalo Transit Company and converted them into the USS Wolverine and USS Sable. Retaining their original propulsion system, they became the only coal-driven side paddle-wheel aircraft carriers in U.S. Navy history.
Operating on the relatively calm waters of Lake Michigan, the ships offered inexperienced pilots a landing deck that didn’t pitch and roll too severely. The ships were safe from Japanese or German submarines and did not require escort ships badly needed elsewhere. 120,000 successful landings took place, qualifying 17,800 pilots for aircraft carrier operations, including former President George H.W. Bush. There were 128 aircraft lost and over 200 accidents during training.
Operating on the relatively calm waters of Lake Michigan, the ships offered inexperienced pilots a landing deck that didn’t pitch and roll too severely. The ships were safe from Japanese or German submarines and did not require escort ships badly needed elsewhere. 120,000 successful landings took place, qualifying 17,800 pilots for aircraft carrier operations, including former President George H.W. Bush. There were 128 aircraft lost and over 200 accidents during training.
01-26-2016, 08:06 PM
[QUTE=uncljoe;12167907]HoundDog. FWIW all of the aircraft that are at the bottom of Lake Michigan still belong to the US Navy....... I belive the latest retrieval was of a SBD in the late 90's
Semper Fi
Joe[/QUOTE] Found this but I saw it on a flat bed at Oshkosh last year of the year before.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...viation-museum
Video https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...mlake+michigan
World War II plane retrieved from lake
Aircraft went down about 45 miles from Waukegan during 1944 training mission
December 08, 2012|By Jonathan Bullington, Chicago Tribune reporter
A World War II-era fighter plane sits at Larsen Marine after its removal from Waukegan Harbor on Friday. The FM-2 "Wildcat" Fighter crashed during training near Waukegan on Dec. 28, 1944. (Keri Wiginton, Chicago Tribune)
Almost 68 years after a failed training mission left it at the bottom of Lake Michigan, crews pulled a World War II fighter plane from Waukegan Harbor on Friday morning — the first leg of a journey that could land it in a Glenview naval museum.
"It puts tears in your eyes," said Vernon Cravero, 88, a Florida native who was a bomber pilot in the Pacific in World War II.
Semper Fi
Joe[/QUOTE] Found this but I saw it on a flat bed at Oshkosh last year of the year before.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...viation-museum
Video https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...mlake+michigan
World War II plane retrieved from lake
Aircraft went down about 45 miles from Waukegan during 1944 training mission
December 08, 2012|By Jonathan Bullington, Chicago Tribune reporter
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A World War II-era fighter plane sits at Larsen Marine after its removal from Waukegan Harbor on Friday. The FM-2 "Wildcat" Fighter crashed during training near Waukegan on Dec. 28, 1944. (Keri Wiginton, Chicago Tribune)
Almost 68 years after a failed training mission left it at the bottom of Lake Michigan, crews pulled a World War II fighter plane from Waukegan Harbor on Friday morning — the first leg of a journey that could land it in a Glenview naval museum.
"It puts tears in your eyes," said Vernon Cravero, 88, a Florida native who was a bomber pilot in the Pacific in World War II.
Last edited by HoundDog; 01-26-2016 at 08:13 PM.
01-27-2016, 10:11 AM
New clue!!
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
01-27-2016, 11:59 AM
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
New clue!!
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
The Blιriot XI is the aircraft that was used by Louis Blιriot on 25 July 1909 to make the first flight across the English Channel made in a heavier-than-air aircraft. This achievement is one of the most famous accomplishments of the pioneer era of aviation, and not only won Blιriot a lasting place in history but also assured the future of his aircraft manufacturing business. The event caused a major reappraisal of the importance of aviation; the English newspaper The Daily Express led its story of the flight with the headline "Britain is no longer an Island".
It was produced in both single- and two-seat versions, powered by a number of different engines and was widely used for competition and training purposes. Military versions were bought by many countries, continuing in service until after the outbreak of the First World War in 1914. Two restored examples — one each in the United Kingdom and the United States — of original Blιriot XI aircraft are thought to be the two oldest flyable aircraft in the world.
The first Blιriot XIs entered military service in Italy and France in 1910, and a year later, some of those were used in action by Italy in North Africa (the first use of aircraft in a war) and in Mexico. The Royal Flying Corps received its first Blιriots in 1912. During the early stages of the First World War, eight French, six British and six Italian squadrons operated various military versions of the aircraft, mainly in observation duties but also as trainers, and in the case of single-seaters, as light bombers with a bomb load of up to 25 kg.
01-27-2016, 02:15 PM
01-27-2016, 06:57 PM
Not the SPAD or the Bleriot, no.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
7. This was a very early aircraft that was heavily modified over the years. Early models did not have a rear elevator, but later models did.
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
7. This was a very early aircraft that was heavily modified over the years. Early models did not have a rear elevator, but later models did.
01-28-2016, 09:09 AM
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
7. This was a very early aircraft that was heavily modified over the years. Early models did not have a rear elevator, but later models did.
8. Twin rudders.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
7. This was a very early aircraft that was heavily modified over the years. Early models did not have a rear elevator, but later models did.
8. Twin rudders.
01-28-2016, 09:50 AM
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
1. It's an aircraft.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
7. This was a very early aircraft that was heavily modified over the years. Early models did not have a rear elevator, but later models did.
8. Twin rudders.
2. In it's early days, it won prizes in competitions.
3. The propellor was mounted on the camshaft.
4. Used by the military in 12 different countries.
5. Introduced for military service in 1913, although early models had flown some years previously.
6. In profile, it looks REALLY familiar, particularly to Americans.
7. This was a very early aircraft that was heavily modified over the years. Early models did not have a rear elevator, but later models did.
8. Twin rudders.
01-28-2016, 10:04 AM
Senior Member
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As I was typing my last response, it occurred to me. Neither the Longhorn or Shorthorn fit all the clues; but as one was derived from the other.... Thanks; Ernie P.
