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02-19-2016, 12:56 PM
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Clue #10 was slightly wrong...it seats up to 8...not 6
Still cant believe there are no guesses.....I basically gave you the airframe in the last last clue.....
1) Single Engine aircraft....although the type of engine changed
2) "Greenhouse"
3) First flight 1945
4) Was built by a subsidiary of a company that became another company but when everything went to the 4th company...this wasn't included.
5) Wiley Coyote might have gone to "this" company for the engine change
6) But Wiley was no Husky....
7) It had a really big one.....but it folded
8) On later models...the engine folded too!
9) Clue #2 above refers to an operation...not an ITEM
10) Capacity was up to 6, however the right control column could be removed to enable a stretcher to be transported
11) There were 302 of these manufactured. They were given a "generic" name but the conversions were given two different names
12) If you were a nuclear weapons fanatic like I am....clues #2 and #9 are significant....because this particular AC was involved and if you watch the declassified documentary...you will see it
13) The AC had a gross weight of 4016 lbs....It could take off in 125 Ft empty....and land in 75 Ft
Last clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9zg8nFjiw0
OK....Last...last clue.....go to the 45 min mark in the above video
CB
Still cant believe there are no guesses.....I basically gave you the airframe in the last last clue.....
1) Single Engine aircraft....although the type of engine changed
2) "Greenhouse"
3) First flight 1945
4) Was built by a subsidiary of a company that became another company but when everything went to the 4th company...this wasn't included.
5) Wiley Coyote might have gone to "this" company for the engine change
6) But Wiley was no Husky....
7) It had a really big one.....but it folded
8) On later models...the engine folded too!
9) Clue #2 above refers to an operation...not an ITEM
10) Capacity was up to 6, however the right control column could be removed to enable a stretcher to be transported
11) There were 302 of these manufactured. They were given a "generic" name but the conversions were given two different names
12) If you were a nuclear weapons fanatic like I am....clues #2 and #9 are significant....because this particular AC was involved and if you watch the declassified documentary...you will see it
13) The AC had a gross weight of 4016 lbs....It could take off in 125 Ft empty....and land in 75 Ft
Last clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9zg8nFjiw0
OK....Last...last clue.....go to the 45 min mark in the above video
CB
02-20-2016, 10:22 AM
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Great Job Elmshoot! Stinson L-13
1) Single Engine aircraft....although the type of engine changed First models came with a Franklin...Many were retrofitted with PW or Jacobs radials
2) "Greenhouse"Operation Greenhouse they were used extensively for support hopping between the islands
3) First flight 1945
4) Was built by a subsidiary of a company that became another company but when everything went to the 4th company...this wasn't included.Stinson was a subsidiary of Consolidated/Vultee....which became Convair....which sold all the Stinson rights to Piper except the L-13...which Consolidated built 302
5) Wiley Coyote might have gone to "this" company for the engine change ACME Aircraft co. was one of the conversion companies
6) But Wiley was no Husky....
7) It had a really big one.....but it folded The wing folded and the aircraft could be towed like a glider
8) On later models...the engine folded too!The whole engine mount folded out of the way to make maintenance easier
9) Clue #2 above refers to an operation...not an ITEM
10) Capacity was up to 6, however the right control column could be removed to enable a stretcher to be transported
11) There were 302 of these manufactured. They were given a "generic" name but the conversions were given two different names
12) If you were a nuclear weapons fanatic like I am....clues #2 and #9 are significant....because this particular AC was involved and if you watch the declassified documentary...you will see it
CB
1) Single Engine aircraft....although the type of engine changed First models came with a Franklin...Many were retrofitted with PW or Jacobs radials
2) "Greenhouse"Operation Greenhouse they were used extensively for support hopping between the islands
3) First flight 1945
4) Was built by a subsidiary of a company that became another company but when everything went to the 4th company...this wasn't included.Stinson was a subsidiary of Consolidated/Vultee....which became Convair....which sold all the Stinson rights to Piper except the L-13...which Consolidated built 302
5) Wiley Coyote might have gone to "this" company for the engine change ACME Aircraft co. was one of the conversion companies
6) But Wiley was no Husky....
7) It had a really big one.....but it folded The wing folded and the aircraft could be towed like a glider
8) On later models...the engine folded too!The whole engine mount folded out of the way to make maintenance easier
9) Clue #2 above refers to an operation...not an ITEM
10) Capacity was up to 6, however the right control column could be removed to enable a stretcher to be transported
11) There were 302 of these manufactured. They were given a "generic" name but the conversions were given two different names
12) If you were a nuclear weapons fanatic like I am....clues #2 and #9 are significant....because this particular AC was involved and if you watch the declassified documentary...you will see it
CB
02-21-2016, 05:47 AM
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Maybe we could some place have a list of planes we have already covered. I certainly wasn't on board for all 500+ pages. But here goes....
1. A prototype designed to do the replace a more familiar aircraft by doing it cheaper, faster, further.
but weren't most planes designed with two out of of the three in mind��
1. A prototype designed to do the replace a more familiar aircraft by doing it cheaper, faster, further.
but weren't most planes designed with two out of of the three in mind��
02-22-2016, 09:44 PM
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Not either of those.
1. A prototype designed to replace a more familiar aircraft by doing it cheaper, faster, further.
2. This plane had half the number of engines that the plane it was to replace had.
3.The plane did in fact meet some of its design goals setting some cross country speed records.
4. The record setting pilot died in another unconventional prototype airplane crash.
5. Crew communications was an issue on the first flight resulting in a redesign of the cockpit before the second flight.
1. A prototype designed to replace a more familiar aircraft by doing it cheaper, faster, further.
2. This plane had half the number of engines that the plane it was to replace had.
3.The plane did in fact meet some of its design goals setting some cross country speed records.
4. The record setting pilot died in another unconventional prototype airplane crash.
5. Crew communications was an issue on the first flight resulting in a redesign of the cockpit before the second flight.
02-23-2016, 10:44 PM
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1. A prototype designed to replace a more familiar aircraft by doing it cheaper, faster, further.
2. This plane had half the number of engines that the plane it was to replace had.
3.The plane did in fact meet some of its design goals setting some cross country speed records.
4. The record setting pilot died in another unconventional prototype airplane crash.
5. Crew communications was an issue on the first flight resulting in a redesign of the cockpit before the second flight.
Prop top funny you should mention Blender
6. Well some would describe the power system as a blender
7. Trike gear
8. The MFG was mostly known for producing "nonfighter" aircraft.
9. The plane was eventually powered by the same number of engines as the plane it was designed to replace.
10. By adding the extra engines it could be considered a Hybrid powered plane before that was a fashionable statement.
2. This plane had half the number of engines that the plane it was to replace had.
3.The plane did in fact meet some of its design goals setting some cross country speed records.
4. The record setting pilot died in another unconventional prototype airplane crash.
5. Crew communications was an issue on the first flight resulting in a redesign of the cockpit before the second flight.
Prop top funny you should mention Blender
6. Well some would describe the power system as a blender
7. Trike gear
8. The MFG was mostly known for producing "nonfighter" aircraft.
9. The plane was eventually powered by the same number of engines as the plane it was designed to replace.
10. By adding the extra engines it could be considered a Hybrid powered plane before that was a fashionable statement.
02-24-2016, 06:01 AM
The reason I posted that wise-guy post was because I'm pretty sure it's the Douglas XB-42 "Mixmaster"...but don't have another quiz subject, as of yet...but...
A friend and I were talking about the XB-42 a couple weeks ago...
The prototype had two bubble canopies, and the pilot / co-pilot had to duck down to communicate because there was no interphone, and there were times during flight when neither one was looking out...both heads were down, so to speak..
Prototype had 2 Allisons, V-1710's...geared to contra-rotating pusher props...then 2 jet pods were added, one ea. wing for a boost in power......IIRC they were J-34's?
Then a pure jet version...
A friend and I were talking about the XB-42 a couple weeks ago...
The prototype had two bubble canopies, and the pilot / co-pilot had to duck down to communicate because there was no interphone, and there were times during flight when neither one was looking out...both heads were down, so to speak..
Prototype had 2 Allisons, V-1710's...geared to contra-rotating pusher props...then 2 jet pods were added, one ea. wing for a boost in power......IIRC they were J-34's?
Then a pure jet version...
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02-24-2016, 05:06 PM
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The reason I posted that wise-guy post was because I'm pretty sure it's the Douglas XB-42 "Mixmaster"...but don't have another quiz subject, as of yet...but...
A friend and I were talking about the XB-42 a couple weeks ago...
The prototype had two bubble canopies, and the pilot / co-pilot had to duck down to communicate because there was no interphone, and there were times during flight when neither one was looking out...both heads were down, so to speak..
Prototype had 2 Allisons, V-1710's...geared to contra-rotating pusher props...then 2 jet pods were added, one ea. wing for a boost in power......IIRC they were J-34's?
Then a pure jet version...
A friend and I were talking about the XB-42 a couple weeks ago...
The prototype had two bubble canopies, and the pilot / co-pilot had to duck down to communicate because there was no interphone, and there were times during flight when neither one was looking out...both heads were down, so to speak..
Prototype had 2 Allisons, V-1710's...geared to contra-rotating pusher props...then 2 jet pods were added, one ea. wing for a boost in power......IIRC they were J-34's?
Then a pure jet version...
02-25-2016, 07:12 AM
Was just thinking...and waiting for elmshoot to reply...I have a quiz subject in mind though:
Having some medical (and medication) issues over here, so I'm gonna try to make my clues fairly clear / not too obsure...but I ain't counting on that!
Having some medical (and medication) issues over here, so I'm gonna try to make my clues fairly clear / not too obsure...but I ain't counting on that!
02-25-2016, 08:35 AM
O.K....looking for an aircraft...just the basics...I don't recall if we have discussed this particular aircraft or not?
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
Last edited by proptop; 02-25-2016 at 08:38 AM.
02-25-2016, 09:56 AM
O.K....looking for an aircraft...just the basics...I don't recall if we have discussed this particular aircraft or not?
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...HTH
Gotta go to some appointments...won't be back until late evening...
02-25-2016, 04:31 PM
O.K....looking for an aircraft...just the basics...I don't recall if we have discussed this particular aircraft or not?
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
02-25-2016, 08:25 PM
O.K....looking for an aircraft...just the basics...I don't recall if we have discussed this particular aircraft or not?
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
02-26-2016, 08:13 AM
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
Not even one Wild-Hare guess yet ?!?
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
Not even one Wild-Hare guess yet ?!?
02-26-2016, 08:23 AM
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
9) There was an initial production order of a dozen aircraft...however, there was a set-back when a prototype crashed.
10) In the early days of "The big one" as Archie Bunker might say, there were only half a dozen of this fighter that had been produced, but they and their pilots performed quite admirably.
11) 11 victories in 11 days
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
9) There was an initial production order of a dozen aircraft...however, there was a set-back when a prototype crashed.
10) In the early days of "The big one" as Archie Bunker might say, there were only half a dozen of this fighter that had been produced, but they and their pilots performed quite admirably.
11) 11 victories in 11 days
02-26-2016, 04:45 PM
Testing...1...2...3...
Hello....is this thing on?
Anybody home???
Is everyone out flyin' or sumpthin'?
elmshoot...maybe we are all waiting on your conformation...or denial....if I guessed your quiz subject correctly???
Are you out there somewhere elmshoot?
Hello....is this thing on?
Anybody home???
Is everyone out flyin' or sumpthin'?
elmshoot...maybe we are all waiting on your conformation...or denial....if I guessed your quiz subject correctly???
Are you out there somewhere elmshoot?
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02-26-2016, 04:51 PM
1) Mid to late 1930's design
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
9) There was an initial production order of a dozen aircraft...however, there was a set-back when a prototype crashed.
10) In the early days of "The big one" as Archie Bunker might say, there were only half a dozen of this fighter that had been produced, but they and their pilots performed quite admirably.
11) 11 victories in 11 days
12) Clues 6 and 7 are related...the Son flew too close to the Sun...wax melted...etc...you know the story...(don't ya?)
What is the name of the Son that fell into the water?
2) Has many contemporaries
3) Nothing unusual...quite conventional in configuration and construction
4) Single engine...single seat
5) Closely resembles a very famous WWII fighter of the same time frame,
but this particular aircraft did not share in the limelight...
6) Think of a character in Greek mythology...
7) A father and son with wings made of feathers and wax...will give you a clue as to the designers of the aircraft.
8) French, Spanish, Swiss and Yugoslavians (at least) were involved in the design and production
9) There was an initial production order of a dozen aircraft...however, there was a set-back when a prototype crashed.
10) In the early days of "The big one" as Archie Bunker might say, there were only half a dozen of this fighter that had been produced, but they and their pilots performed quite admirably.
11) 11 victories in 11 days
12) Clues 6 and 7 are related...the Son flew too close to the Sun...wax melted...etc...you know the story...(don't ya?)
What is the name of the Son that fell into the water?
02-26-2016, 06:39 PM
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OK, I'll play: Ikarus IK-2, details below. If I'd spelled "Ikarus" that way, I'd have found it yesterday. Interesting that people would name an airplane after a guy whose wings fell off. Interesting plane!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_IK-2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_IK-2
02-26-2016, 07:57 PM
Hi Al...
Actually I was alking about the IK-3 but as far as I'm concerned, you're close enough!
It's called IK for the initials of the two main designers...and produced by Rogozarski as the IK-3, the successor to the IK-2
The IK-3 looks very much, IMO anyway, like a Hawker Hurricane...the aircraft I was talking about in clue 5.
The spelling of Icarus vs. Ikarus was something I thought might cause some wonder...
The Yougoslav designers spent some time in France, and learned a few things from them...and did some wind tunnel testing in Paris.
The Spain and Swiss clue is in reference to the Hispano-Suiza engine...later versions built by Avia.
Thanks
You are up Top_Gunn
http://ww2fighters.e-monsite.com/pag...rski-ik-3.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogo%C5%BEarski_IK-3
Actually I was alking about the IK-3 but as far as I'm concerned, you're close enough!
It's called IK for the initials of the two main designers...and produced by Rogozarski as the IK-3, the successor to the IK-2
The IK-3 looks very much, IMO anyway, like a Hawker Hurricane...the aircraft I was talking about in clue 5.
The spelling of Icarus vs. Ikarus was something I thought might cause some wonder...
The Yougoslav designers spent some time in France, and learned a few things from them...and did some wind tunnel testing in Paris.
The Spain and Swiss clue is in reference to the Hispano-Suiza engine...later versions built by Avia.
Thanks
You are up Top_Gunn
http://ww2fighters.e-monsite.com/pag...rski-ik-3.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogo%C5%BEarski_IK-3
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02-27-2016, 01:11 PM
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Well, I should have kept looking a little longer. Here's a pretty easy one, I think. Like others, I am way beyond remembering what planes we've done, but I don't think this one has appeared yet.
Looking foe a well-known airplane. I think it's possible (and it would be impressive, if you can pull it off) that someone could get it from the first three clues.
1. Single engine, single seat (except for a trainer version).
2. Set some records and had one significant "first."
3. The Icarus story is relevant here, as well.
Looking foe a well-known airplane. I think it's possible (and it would be impressive, if you can pull it off) that someone could get it from the first three clues.
1. Single engine, single seat (except for a trainer version).
2. Set some records and had one significant "first."
3. The Icarus story is relevant here, as well.
02-27-2016, 03:39 PM
What is interesting is that the IK-3 was outperformed by just about every other country's fighters makes it interesting that it did so well against the 109. The Hurricane, Spit, 109 and even the P-40 were all faster in level flight and, at higher speeds, the P-40 could out turn a Hurricane so it has me wondering what made the difference. I suspect that the faster planes lost a considerable amount of speed in the turns and, due to that, the planes were more equal in dogfight environment
02-28-2016, 07:32 AM
Yeah Al...I wonder how many prototypes, pre-production prototypes, etc. had their wings come off...?
A friend flew B-47's and I remember him telling me about the "Milk Bottle Bolt" and the wing attachment mounts...the LABS manuver...
H-J...good point...I think the Yougoslavian pilots had some extra incentive too, when their country suddenly had a bunch of uninvited guests barging in...
A friend flew B-47's and I remember him telling me about the "Milk Bottle Bolt" and the wing attachment mounts...the LABS manuver...
H-J...good point...I think the Yougoslavian pilots had some extra incentive too, when their country suddenly had a bunch of uninvited guests barging in...
02-28-2016, 10:47 AM
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Wings come off?
During WWll there were many industries pressed into service to help in the war effort. One was a company that was known for their fine wood working and were tasked with building wood gliders for the troops for the airborne assault like that used in D-Day invasion. Anyway as part of the warbond effort they were demonstrating the glider at an airshow in St. Louis. On board was a general and several local dignitaries (the mayor of ST. Louis?) from the local area. They did the tow off the field and flew to altitude then cut loose the glider was to do a few turns on the way down and land at the field in front of everyone in attendance. At some point in the glide phase they maneuvering exceeded the available strength and one wing came off and all on board were killed in the crash.
The company that did all the wood work was you guessed it.....a coffin manufacture.
I guess they really were the last to let you down.
Sparky
During WWll there were many industries pressed into service to help in the war effort. One was a company that was known for their fine wood working and were tasked with building wood gliders for the troops for the airborne assault like that used in D-Day invasion. Anyway as part of the warbond effort they were demonstrating the glider at an airshow in St. Louis. On board was a general and several local dignitaries (the mayor of ST. Louis?) from the local area. They did the tow off the field and flew to altitude then cut loose the glider was to do a few turns on the way down and land at the field in front of everyone in attendance. At some point in the glide phase they maneuvering exceeded the available strength and one wing came off and all on board were killed in the crash.
The company that did all the wood work was you guessed it.....a coffin manufacture.
I guess they really were the last to let you down.
Sparky
