Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
Okay, someone has figured it out, as per a PM. That being said, he didn't want to end this so here's another clue, or two:
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
And, due to lack of guesses, it's time for another clue, or two:
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
6) This pilot's favorite tactic was to "bounce" enemy planes from behind after they turned back toward their bases
7) The plane this pilot flew was a Hawker Hurricane
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
6) This pilot's favorite tactic was to "bounce" enemy planes from behind after they turned back toward their bases
7) The plane this pilot flew was a Hawker Hurricane
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Squadron Leader Marmaduke Thomas St John Pattle DFC* (3 July 1914 – 20 April 1941), usually known as Pat Pattle, was a South African-born Second World War fighter pilot and flying ace (an aviator credited with the destruction of five or more enemy aircraft in aerial combat) of the Royal Air Force (RAF).
Born in 1914 in South Africa, Pattle applied to join the South African Air Force at 18 and was rejected. He travelled to the United Kingdom and joined the RAF in 1936, on a Short Service Commission (SSC). Pattle was a pilot in 1937 and was posted to 80 Squadron based in Egypt upon the outbreak of war in September 1939. In June 1940 Italy entered the war on the side of the Axis Powers and he began combat operations against the Regia Aeronautica (Italian Air Force), gaining his first successes during the Italian invasion of Egypt.
After the Italian invasion, his squadron was sent to Greece in November 1940, where Pattle achieved most of his victories. Pattle claimed around 20 aircraft shot down and in March 1941 was promoted to squadron leader. After the German intervention, and in fourteen days of operations, Pattle claimed victories 24–50. Pattle claimed five or more aircraft destroyed in one day on three occasions, which qualified him for Ace in a day status. Pattle achieved his greatest success on 19 April 1941, claiming six victories. The following day, having claimed more aerial victories than any other Western Allied pilot, he took off against orders, while suffering from a high temperature, to engage German aircraft near Athens. He was last seen battling Messerschmitt Bf 110 heavy fighters. His Hurricane crashed into the sea during this dogfight and Pattle was killed.
Pattle was a fighter ace with a high score, and is sometimes noted as being the highest-scoring British Commonwealth pilot of the war. If all claims made for him are correct, his total could be more than 51. It can be stated that his final total was at least 40 and could exceed this value.[SUP][1][/SUP] Log-books and semi-official records suggest this figure, while personnel attached to his squadron suspect the figure to be closer to 60.[SUP][2][/SUP] A total of 26 of Pattle's victims were Italian; 15 were downed with Gloster Gladiators, the rest with Hawker Hurricanes.[SUP][3][/SUP] He is considered to be the highest-scoring ace on both Gladiator and Hurricane (35 victories) fighters.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Born in 1914 in South Africa, Pattle applied to join the South African Air Force at 18 and was rejected. He travelled to the United Kingdom and joined the RAF in 1936, on a Short Service Commission (SSC). Pattle was a pilot in 1937 and was posted to 80 Squadron based in Egypt upon the outbreak of war in September 1939. In June 1940 Italy entered the war on the side of the Axis Powers and he began combat operations against the Regia Aeronautica (Italian Air Force), gaining his first successes during the Italian invasion of Egypt.
After the Italian invasion, his squadron was sent to Greece in November 1940, where Pattle achieved most of his victories. Pattle claimed around 20 aircraft shot down and in March 1941 was promoted to squadron leader. After the German intervention, and in fourteen days of operations, Pattle claimed victories 24–50. Pattle claimed five or more aircraft destroyed in one day on three occasions, which qualified him for Ace in a day status. Pattle achieved his greatest success on 19 April 1941, claiming six victories. The following day, having claimed more aerial victories than any other Western Allied pilot, he took off against orders, while suffering from a high temperature, to engage German aircraft near Athens. He was last seen battling Messerschmitt Bf 110 heavy fighters. His Hurricane crashed into the sea during this dogfight and Pattle was killed.
Pattle was a fighter ace with a high score, and is sometimes noted as being the highest-scoring British Commonwealth pilot of the war. If all claims made for him are correct, his total could be more than 51. It can be stated that his final total was at least 40 and could exceed this value.[SUP][1][/SUP] Log-books and semi-official records suggest this figure, while personnel attached to his squadron suspect the figure to be closer to 60.[SUP][2][/SUP] A total of 26 of Pattle's victims were Italian; 15 were downed with Gloster Gladiators, the rest with Hawker Hurricanes.[SUP][3][/SUP] He is considered to be the highest-scoring ace on both Gladiator and Hurricane (35 victories) fighters.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Nope, not Pattle. And, it looks like it's time for another clue:
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
6) This pilot's favorite tactic was to "bounce" enemy planes from behind after they turned back toward their bases
7) The plane this pilot flew was a Hawker Hurricane
8) This pilot left his home country to prevent capture when invaded by another "hostile country
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
6) This pilot's favorite tactic was to "bounce" enemy planes from behind after they turned back toward their bases
7) The plane this pilot flew was a Hawker Hurricane
8) This pilot left his home country to prevent capture when invaded by another "hostile country
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You're getting warmer but no. Time for another, and hopefully last, clue:
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
6) This pilot's favorite tactic was to "bounce" enemy planes from behind after they turned back toward their bases
7) The plane this pilot flew was a Hawker Hurricane
8) This pilot left his home country to prevent capture when invaded by another "hostile country
9) This pilot was the top scoring ace during one of history's most epic battles with 17 confirmed "kills" while "flying with a Polish squadron"
1) This pilot was the highest scoring pilot from his country
2) This pilot flew his combat missions for another country
3) This pilot usually flew alone, not with any sort of formation or wingman
4) This pilot was "loaned" the plane he flew by the country he flew for
5) This pilot only flew combat for a year, crashing his plane himself, not due to enemy action
6) This pilot's favorite tactic was to "bounce" enemy planes from behind after they turned back toward their bases
7) The plane this pilot flew was a Hawker Hurricane
8) This pilot left his home country to prevent capture when invaded by another "hostile country
9) This pilot was the top scoring ace during one of history's most epic battles with 17 confirmed "kills" while "flying with a Polish squadron"
And once again, I can turn this over to someone else SimonCraig, you're up
During the Battle of Britain, foreign pilots volunteered to fight with the Royal Air Force. Czech Sergeant Josef Frantisek was one of these pilots, having reached Britain after escaping internment in Romania. After flying with the French, Frantisek signed up with the RAF, but was so independent in searching for the enemy that he was loaned an aircraft for his one man war. Flying his Hawker Hurricane, Frantisek went on to become the top scoring Allied Ace in the Battle of Britain, with 17 kills. He often targeted returning German fighters, knocking them out of the sky before they could cross the English channel. He claimed a total of 17 fighters, flying only one year in combat. He was not shot down, but crashed his Hurricane in 1940 while performing aerobatics, possibly to impress his girlfriend, possibly from sheer exhaustion.
During the Battle of Britain, foreign pilots volunteered to fight with the Royal Air Force. Czech Sergeant Josef Frantisek was one of these pilots, having reached Britain after escaping internment in Romania. After flying with the French, Frantisek signed up with the RAF, but was so independent in searching for the enemy that he was loaned an aircraft for his one man war. Flying his Hawker Hurricane, Frantisek went on to become the top scoring Allied Ace in the Battle of Britain, with 17 kills. He often targeted returning German fighters, knocking them out of the sky before they could cross the English channel. He claimed a total of 17 fighters, flying only one year in combat. He was not shot down, but crashed his Hurricane in 1940 while performing aerobatics, possibly to impress his girlfriend, possibly from sheer exhaustion.
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In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
- Both warriors were born in India.
- They were brother in laws.
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And once again, I can turn this over to someone else SimonCraig, you're up
During the Battle of Britain, foreign pilots volunteered to fight with the Royal Air Force. Czech Sergeant Josef Frantisek was one of these pilots, having reached Britain after escaping internment in Romania. After flying with the French, Frantisek signed up with the RAF, but was so independent in searching for the enemy that he was loaned an aircraft for his one man war. Flying his Hawker Hurricane, Frantisek went on to become the top scoring Allied Ace in the Battle of Britain, with 17 kills. He often targeted returning German fighters, knocking them out of the sky before they could cross the English channel. He claimed a total of 17 fighters, flying only one year in combat. He was not shot down, but crashed his Hurricane in 1940 while performing aerobatics, possibly to impress his girlfriend, possibly from sheer exhaustion.
During the Battle of Britain, foreign pilots volunteered to fight with the Royal Air Force. Czech Sergeant Josef Frantisek was one of these pilots, having reached Britain after escaping internment in Romania. After flying with the French, Frantisek signed up with the RAF, but was so independent in searching for the enemy that he was loaned an aircraft for his one man war. Flying his Hawker Hurricane, Frantisek went on to become the top scoring Allied Ace in the Battle of Britain, with 17 kills. He often targeted returning German fighters, knocking them out of the sky before they could cross the English channel. He claimed a total of 17 fighters, flying only one year in combat. He was not shot down, but crashed his Hurricane in 1940 while performing aerobatics, possibly to impress his girlfriend, possibly from sheer exhaustion.
Josef František DFM & Bar (7 October 1914 – 8 October 1940) was a Czech fighter pilot and World War II flying ace who flew for the air forces of Czechoslovakia, Poland and the United Kingdom. He is famous as being one of the highest scoring Allied aces in the Battle of Britain.
Born in Otaslavice in 1913, Josef František joined the Czechoslovak Air Force in 1934. After basic training he joined the Czechoslovak Air Force Air Regiment 2. In 1935 he was a corporal in Air Regiment 1 and returned to Air Regiment 2 as a sergeant in 1937. In June 1938 he became a fighter pilot serving in the 40th squadron in Prague flying the Avia B-534 and Bk-534 fighter. After Czechoslovakia fell under German occupation (15 March 1939), like many other Czechoslovak airmen, he escaped to Poland. Most Czechoslovak airmen then left Poland for France before the start of the Second World War, though František decided to stay and serve with the Polish Air Force.
During the German invasion of Poland in September 1939, František initially evacuated training aircraft from the air base at Dęblin. From 7 September he flew reconnaissance missions in an unarmed training plane, a RWD-8. On 19–20 September he attacked enemy columns near Kamionka Strumiłowa, throwing hand grenades on the troops below. On 20 September he was shot down near Złoczσw, but was saved by a Polish crew that landed nearby. On 22 September František's unit was ordered to withdraw with their remaining aircraft to Romania. František managed to abscond from an internment camp in Romania and reached France via North Africa in October 1939.
In France František elected to remain with the Poles instead of joining the exiled Czechoslovak air force (a probable reason for this decision was a conflict with a Czech officer, who tried to arrest him for insubordination.)
He was flying only old fashioned planes with fixed undercarriage and there are no official French records to confirm he flew combat missions during the Battle of France. After the fall of France František fled to Britain and after training on 2 August was assigned to No. 303 Polish Squadron based at RAF Northolt, flying Hawker Hurricane fighters. The squadron entered action in the last phase of the Battle of Britain. The first confirmed victory of Sgt. František was a German Bf 109E fighter on 2 September 1940.
A very ill-disciplined pilot, he was seen by his commanding officers as a danger to his colleagues when flying in formation. His British CO Squadron Leader Ronald Gustave Kellett, offered to arrange for František's transfer to a Czech squadron, but František preferred to stay and fight alongside his Polish colleagues. As all pilots were valuable, a compromise was created whereby František was allotted a "spare" aircraft so he could fly as a "guest" of the Squadron as and when he wanted to. Thus, František fought his own private war – accompanying the squadron into the air, but peeling off to fly a lone patrol over Kent, patrolling in the area through which he knew the German aircraft being intercepted would fly on their way back to base, possibly damaged and low on fuel and ammo. During the following month he shot down 17 German aircraft and 1 probable, of which 9 were Bf 109s, becoming one of the top scoring Allied fighter pilots of the Battle of Britain. His last victory was on 30 September 1940 and he was awarded the Distinguished Flying Medal.
On 8 October 1940, František's Hurricane crashed in Ewell, Surrey during a landing approach after a patrol. Reasons for the crash are not known, but according to some theories, he may have been making aerobatic figures to impress his girlfriend, or it might have been a result of battle fatigue and physical exhaustion.
He was buried in a Polish military cemetery. He was awarded several decorations, among them the Virtuti Militari 5th class and he was the first foreigner awarded the Distinguished Flying Medal with Bar.
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In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
- Both warriors were born in India.
- They were brother in laws.
John Niel Randle VC (22 December 1917 – 6 May 1944) was a recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.
John Niel Randle was born in India, the son of Dr. Herbert Niel Randle and Edith Randle (nιe Whitby). He was educated at the Dragon School, Marlborough College, and Merton College, Oxford. At Oxford he qualified in Law and his best friend was Leonard Cheshire. He married Mavis Ellen Manser of Holywell, Oxford , sister of Leslie Thomas Manser who was awarded the VC posthumously in 1942 after a bombing raid on Cologne.
Randle was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Royal Norfolk Regiment in May 1940. At the age of 26, he was promoted to Temporary Captain whilst serving with the 2nd Battalion, Royal Norfolk Regiment.
Captain Randle was commander of 'B' Company, 2nd Battalion, Royal Norfolk Regiment. On 4 May 1944 during the Battle of Kohima in North East India, he was ordered to attack the Japanese flank on General Purpose Transport (GPT) Ridge during the relief and clearance of Kohima. The citation from the London Gazette reads:
On the 4th May, 1944, at Kohima in Assam, a Battalion of the Royal Norfolk Regiment attacked the Japanese positions on a nearby ridge. Captain Randle took over command of the Company which was leading the attack when the Company Commander was severely wounded. His handling of a difficult situation in the face of heavy fire was masterly and although wounded himself in the knee by grenade splinters he continued to inspire his men by his initiative, courage and outstanding leadership until the Company had captured its objective and consolidated its position. He then went forward and brought in all the wounded men who were lying outside the perimeter. In spite of his painful wound Captain Randle refused to be evacuated and insisted on carrying out a personal reconnaissance with great daring in bright moonlight prior to a further attack by his Company on the position to which the enemy had withdrawn. At dawn on 6th May the attack opened, led by Captain Randle, and one of the platoons succeeded in reaching the crest of the hill held by the Japanese. Another platoon, however, ran into heavy medium machine gun fire from a bunker on the reverse slope of the feature.
Captain Randle immediately appreciated that this particular bunker covered not only the rear of his new position but also the line of communication of the battalion and therefore the destruction of the enemy post was imperative if the operation was to succeed. With utter disregard of the obvious danger to himself Captain Randle charged the Japanese machine gun post single-handed with rifle and bayonet. Although bleeding in the face and mortally wounded by numerous bursts of machine gun fire he reached the bunker and silenced the gun with a grenade thrown through the bunker slit. He then flung his body across the slit so that the aperture should be completely sealed. The bravery shown by this officer could not have been surpassed and by his self-sacrifice he saved the lives of many of his men and enabled not only his own Company but the whole Battalion to gain its objective and win a decisive victory over the enemy.
Leslie Thomas Manser VC (11 May 1922 – 31 May 1942) was a British bomber pilot and recipient of the Victoria Cross, which was awarded posthumously following an attack on the German city of Cologne.
Leslie Thomas Manser was born in New Delhi, India during his father's employment as an engineer with the Post and Telegraph Department and, when the family returned to Britain, they settled in Radlett, Hertfordshire. He was a pupil of Victoria Boys' School, Kurseong, Darjeeling and Aldenham School, Elstree, Hertfordshire.
For the 1,000 bomber raid on Cologne on the night of 30 May 1942, Manser was captain and first pilot of Avro Manchester bomber 'D' for Dog.
As he came over the target, his aircraft was caught in searchlights and although he bombed the target successfully from 7,000 ft (2,100 m) it was hit by flak. In an effort to escape the anti-aircraft fire he took violent evasive action, this reduced his altitude to only 1,000 ft (300 m) but he did not escape the flak until he was clear of the city. By this time the rear gunner was wounded, the front cabin full of smoke and the port engine overheating. Rather than abandon the aircraft and be captured, Manser tried to get the aircraft and crew to safety. The port engine then burst into flames, burning the wing and reducing airspeed to a dangerously low level. The crew made preparations to abandon the aircraft, by then barely controllable and with a crash inevitable. The aircraft was by now over Belgium, and Manser ordered the crew to bail out, but refused the offer of a parachute for himself. He remained at the controls and sacrificed himself in order to save his crew. As the crew parachuted down they saw the bomber crash in flames into a dyke at Bree, 13 mi (21 km) north east of Genk in Belgium.
Leave it to Ernie to come up with more info than needed on both my and SimonCraig's quiz questions. I'd love to find something he either doesn't know or can't find
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Well that didn't last long.... John Niel Randle and Leslie Thomas Manser they are! Well done Ernie!
Manser had the dubious pleasure of flying the AVRO Manchester very few Manchester crew survived to see the introduction of the Lancaster. I read a book by John Bushby called 'Gunner's Moon' which I heartily recommend. In which he attributes his survival to being sick and sufficiently delayed on the gunnery course to have to repeat it thereby only fly a few combat missions in the Manchester, his observation was that none of the aircrew in the earlier course survived.
The connection between the two sets of clues was the BE2c, which got me thinking about a Manchester clue and of course in looking that up discovered the fate of the two brothers.
If you are interested the other clues were...
In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
I did figure it might get to #6 or 7 but am delighted that Ernie saw the answer so quickly! And it's over to Ernie!
Manser had the dubious pleasure of flying the AVRO Manchester very few Manchester crew survived to see the introduction of the Lancaster. I read a book by John Bushby called 'Gunner's Moon' which I heartily recommend. In which he attributes his survival to being sick and sufficiently delayed on the gunnery course to have to repeat it thereby only fly a few combat missions in the Manchester, his observation was that none of the aircrew in the earlier course survived.
The connection between the two sets of clues was the BE2c, which got me thinking about a Manchester clue and of course in looking that up discovered the fate of the two brothers.
If you are interested the other clues were...
In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
- Both warriors were born in India.
- They were brother in law.
- One went into the army, the other into the airforce.
- The army bod was best friends at college with another hero who achieved his reputation in the airforce.
- The army bod died in the latter stages of a campaign, he is reported to have saved the lives of many of his troops.
- The pilot lost his life flying on a notable air raid, but his crew survived.
- Part of the reason he did not survive was that he was flying a plane that had not more right to be in combat as the BE2 a war earlier, but was used for the same reasons.
- The army campaign included the ‘Battle of the Tennis Court’ though the warrior's contribution was later than that last man stand.
- Both received the Victoria Cross posthumously.
I did figure it might get to #6 or 7 but am delighted that Ernie saw the answer so quickly! And it's over to Ernie!
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Sir; there is much I don't know, but most I can find. You had a good question; I simply had the info ready in case I decided to answer it. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Well that didn't last long.... John Niel Randle and Leslie Thomas Manser they are! Well done Ernie!
Manser had the dubious pleasure of flying the AVRO Manchester very few Manchester crew survived to see the introduction of the Lancaster. I read a book by John Bushby called 'Gunner's Moon' which I heartily recommend. In which he attributes his survival to being sick and sufficiently delayed on the gunnery course to have to repeat it thereby only fly a few combat missions in the Manchester, his observation was that none of the aircrew in the earlier course survived.
The connection between the two sets of clues was the BE2c, which got me thinking about a Manchester clue and of course in looking that up discovered the fate of the two brothers.
If you are interested the other clues were...
In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
I did figure it might get to #6 or 7 but am delighted that Ernie saw the answer so quickly! And it's over to Ernie!
Manser had the dubious pleasure of flying the AVRO Manchester very few Manchester crew survived to see the introduction of the Lancaster. I read a book by John Bushby called 'Gunner's Moon' which I heartily recommend. In which he attributes his survival to being sick and sufficiently delayed on the gunnery course to have to repeat it thereby only fly a few combat missions in the Manchester, his observation was that none of the aircrew in the earlier course survived.
The connection between the two sets of clues was the BE2c, which got me thinking about a Manchester clue and of course in looking that up discovered the fate of the two brothers.
If you are interested the other clues were...
In a roundabout way my last set of questions lead me to this and I think it is sufficiently interesting to bring to the forum. So I’m looking two warriors who were selfless in the days when it seemed commonplace:
- Both warriors were born in India.
- They were brother in law.
- One went into the army, the other into the airforce.
- The army bod was best friends at college with another hero who achieved his reputation in the airforce.
- The army bod died in the latter stages of a campaign, he is reported to have saved the lives of many of his troops.
- The pilot lost his life flying on a notable air raid, but his crew survived.
- Part of the reason he did not survive was that he was flying a plane that had not more right to be in combat as the BE2 a war earlier, but was used for the same reasons.
- The army campaign included the ‘Battle of the Tennis Court’ though the warrior's contribution was later than that last man stand.
- Both received the Victoria Cross posthumously.
I did figure it might get to #6 or 7 but am delighted that Ernie saw the answer so quickly! And it's over to Ernie!
Give me a few hours to put something together, SimonCraig1. I have a few questions in my bag, but I'm in the mood for something unusual. Maybe I can find something worth doing. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Okay; this one won't last very long, but it will highlight a great pilot. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.WWII pilot.
What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.WWII pilot.
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What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.WWII pilot.
2.Not an ace; but did shoot down one enemy bomberflying an observation mission.
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Well, I didn't think it would last long, but maybe not quite that quick. Good job, elmshoot! I should have known better than to include that second clue with you experts involved. I seriously thought about leaving out the second half of the clue. A lot of people don't know about Lindberg's part in WWII and I wanted to share the story. Okay, elmshoot; you're up again. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1. WWII pilot.
2. Not an ace; but did shoot down one enemy bomber flying an observation mission.
3. Survived the war.
4. Flew four engine, single and twin engines aircraft.
5. His primary contribution wasn’t in missions flown or enemy aircraft destroyed.
6. He improved the performance of aircraft already in production.
7. And, he trained airmen to get the most from the aircraft they flew.
8. Was famous in his own right before the war.
9. He was noted for being able to wring the last bit of performance from the engines of the aircraft he flew.
10. Flew in the Pacific Theatre.
11. American.
12. Not in the military service.
13. But did fly combat patrols.
14. Flew B-24’s (Not in combat); F4U Corsairs and P-38’s.
15.
Answer: Charles Lindberg
Before the United States formally entered World War II, some accused Lindbergh of being a fascist sympathizer. He supported the isolationist America First movement, which advocated that America remain neutral during the war, as had his father, Congressman Charles August Lindbergh, during World War I. This conflicted with the Franklin Roosevelt administration's official policy, which sought to protect Britain from a German takeover. Lindbergh subsequently resigned his commission as a colonel in the United States Army Air Forces in April 1941 after being publicly rebuked by President Roosevelt for his isolationist views. Nevertheless, Lindbergh publicly supported the war effort after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and flew 50 combat missions in the Pacific Theater of World War II as a civilian consultant, though President Roosevelt had refused to reinstate his Army Air Corps colonel's commission. In his later years, Lindbergh became a prolific prize-winning author, international explorer, inventor, and environmentalist.
After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh sought to be recommissioned in the USAAF. The Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, declined the request on instructions from the White House.
Unable to take on an active military role, Lindbergh approached a number of aviation companies, offering his services as a consultant. As a technical adviser with Ford in 1942, he was heavily involved in troubleshooting early problems encountered at the Willow Run Consolidated B-24 Liberator bomber production line. As B-24 production smoothed out, he joined United Aircraft in 1943 as an engineering consultant, devoting most of his time to its Chance-Vought Division.
The following year, Lindbergh persuaded United Aircraft to designate him a technical representative in the Pacific Theater to study aircraft performances under combat conditions. Among other things, he showed Marine pilots how to take off safely with a bomb load double the Vought F4U Corsair fighter-bomber's rated capacity. At the time, several Marine squadrons were flying bomber escorts to destroy the Japanese stronghold of Rabaul, New Britain, in the Australian Territory of New Guinea. On May 21, 1944, Lindbergh flew his first combat mission: a strafing run with VMF-222 near the Japanese garrison of Rabaul. He also flew with VMF-216, from the Marine Air Base at Torokina, Bougainville. Lindbergh was escorted on one of these missions by Lt. Robert E. (Lefty) McDonough, who refused to fly with Lindbergh again, as he did not want to be known as "the guy who killed Lindbergh."
In his six months in the Pacific in 1944, Lindbergh took part in fighter bomber raids on Japanese positions, flying 50 combat missions (again as a civilian). His innovations in the use of Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighters impressed a supportive Gen. Douglas MacArthur.[SUP][188][/SUP] Lindbergh introduced engine-leaning techniques to P-38 pilots, greatly improving fuel consumption at cruise speeds, enabling the long-range fighter aircraft to fly longer range missions. The U.S. Marine and Army Air Force pilots who served with Lindbergh praised his courage and defended his patriotism.
On July 28, 1944, during a P-38 bomber escort mission with the 433rd Fighter Squadron, in the Ceram area, Lindbergh shot down a Sonia observation plane piloted by Captain Saburo Shimada, Commanding Officer of the 73rd Independent Chutai.
After the war, while touring the Nazi concentration camps, Lindbergh wrote in his autobiography that he was disgusted and angered.
What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1. WWII pilot.
2. Not an ace; but did shoot down one enemy bomber flying an observation mission.
3. Survived the war.
4. Flew four engine, single and twin engines aircraft.
5. His primary contribution wasn’t in missions flown or enemy aircraft destroyed.
6. He improved the performance of aircraft already in production.
7. And, he trained airmen to get the most from the aircraft they flew.
8. Was famous in his own right before the war.
9. He was noted for being able to wring the last bit of performance from the engines of the aircraft he flew.
10. Flew in the Pacific Theatre.
11. American.
12. Not in the military service.
13. But did fly combat patrols.
14. Flew B-24’s (Not in combat); F4U Corsairs and P-38’s.
15.
Answer: Charles Lindberg
Before the United States formally entered World War II, some accused Lindbergh of being a fascist sympathizer. He supported the isolationist America First movement, which advocated that America remain neutral during the war, as had his father, Congressman Charles August Lindbergh, during World War I. This conflicted with the Franklin Roosevelt administration's official policy, which sought to protect Britain from a German takeover. Lindbergh subsequently resigned his commission as a colonel in the United States Army Air Forces in April 1941 after being publicly rebuked by President Roosevelt for his isolationist views. Nevertheless, Lindbergh publicly supported the war effort after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and flew 50 combat missions in the Pacific Theater of World War II as a civilian consultant, though President Roosevelt had refused to reinstate his Army Air Corps colonel's commission. In his later years, Lindbergh became a prolific prize-winning author, international explorer, inventor, and environmentalist.
After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh sought to be recommissioned in the USAAF. The Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, declined the request on instructions from the White House.
Unable to take on an active military role, Lindbergh approached a number of aviation companies, offering his services as a consultant. As a technical adviser with Ford in 1942, he was heavily involved in troubleshooting early problems encountered at the Willow Run Consolidated B-24 Liberator bomber production line. As B-24 production smoothed out, he joined United Aircraft in 1943 as an engineering consultant, devoting most of his time to its Chance-Vought Division.
The following year, Lindbergh persuaded United Aircraft to designate him a technical representative in the Pacific Theater to study aircraft performances under combat conditions. Among other things, he showed Marine pilots how to take off safely with a bomb load double the Vought F4U Corsair fighter-bomber's rated capacity. At the time, several Marine squadrons were flying bomber escorts to destroy the Japanese stronghold of Rabaul, New Britain, in the Australian Territory of New Guinea. On May 21, 1944, Lindbergh flew his first combat mission: a strafing run with VMF-222 near the Japanese garrison of Rabaul. He also flew with VMF-216, from the Marine Air Base at Torokina, Bougainville. Lindbergh was escorted on one of these missions by Lt. Robert E. (Lefty) McDonough, who refused to fly with Lindbergh again, as he did not want to be known as "the guy who killed Lindbergh."
In his six months in the Pacific in 1944, Lindbergh took part in fighter bomber raids on Japanese positions, flying 50 combat missions (again as a civilian). His innovations in the use of Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighters impressed a supportive Gen. Douglas MacArthur.[SUP][188][/SUP] Lindbergh introduced engine-leaning techniques to P-38 pilots, greatly improving fuel consumption at cruise speeds, enabling the long-range fighter aircraft to fly longer range missions. The U.S. Marine and Army Air Force pilots who served with Lindbergh praised his courage and defended his patriotism.
On July 28, 1944, during a P-38 bomber escort mission with the 433rd Fighter Squadron, in the Ceram area, Lindbergh shot down a Sonia observation plane piloted by Captain Saburo Shimada, Commanding Officer of the 73rd Independent Chutai.
After the war, while touring the Nazi concentration camps, Lindbergh wrote in his autobiography that he was disgusted and angered.
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Wow that was a drive by pot shot on my part!
I read the Biography by Scott Berg and it discuss the one aerial victory. I believe it was a head on pass, I had a guest speaker about 10 years ago speak about being on that flight when Lindbergh shot down the plane.
No where was the mention of the several German love children he created post WW ll, DNA evidence has substantiated the claim.
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I read the Biography by Scott Berg and it discuss the one aerial victory. I believe it was a head on pass, I had a guest speaker about 10 years ago speak about being on that flight when Lindbergh shot down the plane.
No where was the mention of the several German love children he created post WW ll, DNA evidence has substantiated the claim.
Sparky
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Nope I was out competing in EF1 at Muncie. You guys remember that we do build and fly models here?
That is me a Jason Oliver my caller at the Nats in July.
5th in EF1
Yesterday it was a smaller contest I got third .5 seconds off of fast time.
More importunately I brought a guy new to three pole racing and he beat me and placed second.
Paying it forward bring a new guy into the fold.
Sparky
That is me a Jason Oliver my caller at the Nats in July.
5th in EF1
Yesterday it was a smaller contest I got third .5 seconds off of fast time.
More importunately I brought a guy new to three pole racing and he beat me and placed second.
Paying it forward bring a new guy into the fold.
Sparky