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Old 03-27-2017, 05:22 PM
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Arado Ar-66?

Curiosity has me wondering if I can ask if the "Wooden Frame" construction means All wood, or, if perhaps Wooden formers around a Steel tube fuse. to give it the desired shape?
Old 03-27-2017, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by proptop
Arado Ar-66?

Curiosity has me wondering if I can ask if the "Wooden Frame" construction means All wood, or, if perhaps Wooden formers around a Steel tube fuse. to give it the desired shape?
No, not the At-66. This aircraft had a wood frame, with fabric covering. As far as I know, there was no steel tube used in the frame. And a bonus clue for participation. Keep trying; you'll get it. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
Old 03-28-2017, 01:48 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
Old 03-28-2017, 09:25 AM
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
Old 03-28-2017, 01:01 PM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
19. Initially, its primary use was as a trainer.
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The Henschel HS 123
Old 03-29-2017, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
The Henschel HS 123

Meets most of the clues, but not the one, Hydro Junkie. But perhaps tis morning clue will help you narrow your search. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
19. Initially, its primary use was as a trainer.
20. It was equipped with distinctive “N” shaped struts joining the top and lower wings.
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fairy albacore
shot in the dark
Old 03-29-2017, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by elmshoot
fairy albacore
shot in the dark
Just a bit wide of the mark, elmshoot; but here's a bonus clue to reward your participation. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
19. Initially, its primary use was as a trainer.
20. It was equipped with distinctive “N” shaped struts joining the top and lower wings.
21. Top speed was less than 150 MPH.
Old 03-29-2017, 07:02 AM
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:47 AM
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This one is giving me fits, largely because every candidate I can think of doesn't fit the "wooden frame" requirement.
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Originally Posted by Top_Gunn
This one is giving me fits, largely because every candidate I can think of doesn't fit the "wooden frame" requirement.
I gave up on that part, just looking for a trainer that fits the general parameters and hoping for the best. There wasn't too many operational military biplanes left in 1939. This was shown to be the time frame when Ernie said "Not either of the Moths, although you do have the war correct; it was Dubya Dubya Two. I kinda wanted you looking the other way, though. Thanks; Ernie P."

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Old 03-29-2017, 11:08 AM
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Hey! It's starting to seem as though I found a good subject. And, an airplane subject! How about that? And here's an afternoon clue to help you along. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
19. Initially, its primary use was as a trainer.
20. It was equipped with distinctive “N” shaped struts joining the top and lower wings.
21. Top speed was less than 150 MPH.
22. Range was nearly 400 miles.
Old 03-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Top_Gunn
This one is giving me fits, largely because every candidate I can think of doesn't fit the "wooden frame" requirement.


Same here...
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
I gave up on that part, just looking for a trainer that fits the general parameters and hoping for the best. There wasn't too many operational military biplanes left in 1939. This was shown to be the time frame when Ernie said "Not either of the Moths, although you do have the war correct; it was Dubya Dubya Two. I kinda wanted you looking the other way, though. Thanks; Ernie P."

I can almost hear Ernie laughing like a Bond / 007 Villain...heh heh heh...
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I'm thinking of a molded / moulded Wood fuselage...but, there doesn't seem to be much info available on Wooden structure Biplanes used during WWII...
(either that, or I ain't doin' sumpthin' wright (probably) whih my search terminology...)

I think Ernie really dug well into his personal Library for this one....kudos Ernie

Still trying / struggling here...lol
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Here's an evening clue to aid the struggle. Heh, heh, heh. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
19. Initially, its primary use was as a trainer.
20. It was equipped with distinctive “N” shaped struts joining the top and lower wings.
21. Top speed was less than 150 MPH.
22. Range was nearly 400 miles.
23. There are two surviving aircraft, both heavily damaged and in storage.
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Avro 643 Cadet? (I see Ernie got another one in while I was out looking )

DH. 60?

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Gotha 145
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Originally Posted by lrb75
Gotha 145
And suddenly, without warning, comes the knockout punch! Good going, Irb75; and you now have the lead. The GO 145 was, counting license built copies, one of the longest produced military biplanes around. Not as long as some, perhaps; but still pretty long. We await your question, Sir. Thanks; Ernie P.


What warbird do I describe?

Clues:
1. This aircraft was in service before the war started.
2. And it served throughout the war.
3. Although its mission did, in part, change.
4. It was a biplane.
5. Wooden frame and fabric covering.
6. Fixed landing gear.
7. The propeller was fixed pitch, two blade.
8. Produced by a familiar name, although the company had not produced aircraft for a while.
9. Several factories produced the aircraft, including the company which initially designed it.
10. Two seater.
11. In fact, the first versions were fitted with dual controls.
12. It was also produced under license in foreign countries.
13. One version stayed in production long after the war.
14. Several countries used them in their military services.
15. One version had an enclosed cockpit.
16. And wheel covers (spats).
17. The dual controls were removed after the rear cockpit was fitted with a machine gun.
18. One version was used as a bomber.
19. Initially, its primary use was as a trainer.
20. It was equipped with distinctive “N” shaped struts joining the top and lower wings.
21. Top speed was less than 150 MPH.
22. Range was nearly 400 miles.
23. There are two surviving aircraft, both heavily damaged and in storage.
24. Its empty weight was less than 2,000 Lbs.
25. Although its loaded weight added more than 1,000 Lbs.
26. It was powered by a V-8 engine.
27. Which was inverted and air cooled.
28. It was operational for ten years.
29. By late 1943, there were half a dozen squadrons of this aircraft.
30. They seem to have been very effective as bombers.
31. By wars end, they had completely taken over certain missions.

Answer: The Gotha GO 145

The Gotha Go 145 was a German World War II-era biplane of wood and fabric construction used by Luftwaffe training units. Although obsolete by the start of World War II, the Go 145 remained in operational service until the end of the War in Europe as a night harassment bomber.

[h=2]Development[/h]On 2 October 1933 the Gotha aircraft company was re-established. The first aircraft manufactured was the Gotha Go 145, a two-seat biplane designed by Albert Kalkert made out of wood with a fabric covering. The Go 145 featured fixed landing gear and was powered by an Argus As 10C inverted V8 air-cooled engine fitted with a two-blade fixed-pitch propeller. The first prototype took to the air in February 1934, and was followed by a production model, the Gotha Go 145A, with controls in both cockpits for trainee and instructor.
[h=2]Operational history[/h]In 1935, the Go 145 started service with Luftwaffe training units. The aircraft proved a successful design and production of the Go 145 was taken up by other companies, including AGO, Focke-Wulf and BFW. Licensed versions were also manufactured in Spain and Turkey. The Spanish version, called the CASA 1145-L actually remained in service until long after World War II.
Ignoring prototypes, 1,182 Go 145s were built in Germany for Luftwaffe service. An unknown number of license-produced Go 145s were also built. Further development of the aircraft was done. The Gotha Go 145B was fitted with an enclosed cockpit and wheel spats (an aerodynamic wheel housing on fixed-gear). The Go 145C was developed for gunnery training and was fitted with a single 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 15 machine gun in the rear cockpit, requiring removal of that cockpit's flight controls.
By 1942, the Russians began using obsolete aircraft such as the Polikarpov Po-2 to conduct night harassment missions against the Germans. Noting the success of the raids, the Germans began conducting their own night harassment missions with obsolete aircraft on the Eastern Front. In December 1942, the first Störkampfstaffel (harassment squadron) was established and equipped with Gotha Go 145 and Arado Ar 66. The night harassment units were successful and by October 1943 there were six night harassment squadrons equipped with Gotha Go 145.
Also in October 1943, the Störkampfstaffeln were brought together into larger Nachtschlachtgruppe (NSGr) (night ground attack group, literally night battle group) units of either three or four squadrons each. In March 1945 Nachtschlachtgruppe 5 had 69 Gotha Go 145’s on strength of which 52 were serviceable while Nachtschlachtgruppe 3 in the Courland Pocket had 18 Gotha Go 145’s on strength of which 16 were serviceable. When the war in Europe ended on 8 May 1945 the Gotha Go 145 equipped the majority of the Nachtschlachtgruppen.
[h=2]Operators[/h] Austria
Austrian Air Force - 12 aircraft delivered in 1937[SUP][5][/SUP]
Czechoslovakia
Czechoslovakian Air Force (Postwar)
Germany
Luftwaffe
Romania
Royal Romanian Air Force
Slovakia
Slovak Air Force (1939-1945)
Spain
Spanish Air Force
Turkey
Turkish Air Force
[h=2]Surviving aircraft[/h]
  • Gotha Go 145A - Museum für Verkehr und Technik. Berlin, Germany.
  • Gotha Go 145A - Norsk Luftfartssenter. Bodø, Norway.
Both examples are badly damaged and are in storage.
[h=2]Specifications (Go 145A)[/h]Data from Kay & Smith, p. 116.
General characteristics
  • Crew: 2 (pilot, instructor)
  • Length: 8.7 m (28 ft 6½ in)
  • Wingspan: 9 m (29 ft 6⅓ in)
  • Height: 2.9 m (9 ft 6 in)
  • Wing area: 21.75 m² (234.10 ft²)
  • Empty weight: 800 kg (1,940 lb)
  • Loaded weight: 1,380 kg (3,043 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Argus As 10 inline, 179 kw (240 hp)
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That was a good one...whew...I do notice though that I was kinda warm, in a roundabout way, with the Ar-66 guess.
No points for "getting warmer" though...
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Originally Posted by lrb75
Gotha 145

Sir; you are up. Please post your question and first clue(s). Thanks; Ernie P.
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Originally Posted by lrb75
Gotha 145

Sir; your answer was correct and you may now ask the next question. I have sent you two PM's and received no response. Unless you post your question soon, we will have to move on. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Originally Posted by Ernie P.
Sir; your answer was correct and you may now ask the next question. I have sent you two PM's and received no response. Unless you post your question soon, we will have to move on. Thanks; Ernie P.

Irb 75; unless you post your question by 8:00 PM EDT, today, we will have to move on.

All; if Irb 75 does not post his question, the floor will be open. If no one posts anything by tomorrow AM, I will post a question. Thanks; Ernie P.
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Is that safe, you doing two in a row? Might cause some serious brain damage to the rest of us


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