Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
08-02-2018, 08:26 PM
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Now that's an interesting answer, Sparky; but you're headed in the wrong direction. Our subject aircraft (clue 1) was a production aircraft, and fought in a war. But I'll still give you a bonus clue to get you back on track. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldnt be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldnt be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
08-03-2018, 03:09 AM
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Gentlemen; there is one very obvious, though incorrect, answer which has yet to be given. However, once the incorrect answer is given, the correct answer will follow very quickly. One of you will look at the incorrect answer and think "Well, if that's not right, how about the...". This morning clue may help. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
Last edited by Ernie P.; 08-03-2018 at 03:12 AM.
08-03-2018, 05:47 AM
Ernie, I think part of the problem is that many of your clues refer to a seaplane. You have me totally confused at this point since I've been trying to find info on it as a way to figure out the mystery plane and haven't found anything that fits the clues
08-03-2018, 08:58 AM
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I hope that clears any confusion. And to help even more, I'll add in a couple of bonus clues. Questions are allowed at any time.
And no, not the Spitfire; although I sort of thought that name might come up. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
18. Our subject aircraft came into being using plans, ideas, a wing design and a half finished fuselage from an earlier cancelled design project for yet another foreign government.
19. That earlier, cancelled project was headed by a designer who is today recognized as a true pioneer in aerodynamics and an inventor of international fame.
08-03-2018, 11:41 AM
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And an afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
18. Our subject aircraft came into being using plans, ideas, a wing design and a half finished fuselage from an earlier cancelled design project for yet another foreign government.
19. That earlier, cancelled project was headed by a designer who is today recognized as a true pioneer in aerodynamics and an inventor of international fame.
20. Our subject aircraft came into being as an equal span biplane.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldn’t be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
18. Our subject aircraft came into being using plans, ideas, a wing design and a half finished fuselage from an earlier cancelled design project for yet another foreign government.
19. That earlier, cancelled project was headed by a designer who is today recognized as a true pioneer in aerodynamics and an inventor of international fame.
20. Our subject aircraft came into being as an equal span biplane.
08-03-2018, 08:18 PM
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And there you have it, Sir. The Bristol Scout it is; the plane that gave the name "scout" to all the similar type planes throughout WWI. And now you are up Sir, to ask the next question. Take it away and have fun with it.
FYI; the "obvious answer" to which I referred was the Bristol Fighter, which ultimately led to the use of the term "fighter" for aircraft of that type; but that was after the war. I figured someone would come up with the Bristol Fighter pretty quickly, and that would make someone else think "If not the Bristol Fighter, how about the Bristol Scout?".
People tend to forget just how important the Scout was in the early war period. In the dark days of the Fokker Scourge, the Bristol Fighter, the later DH2 and the Nieuport 11 were the planes that first challenged the Fokker Eindeckers on somewhat even terms. I hope you all enjoyed the ride. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldnt be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
18. Our subject aircraft came into being using plans, ideas, a wing design and a half finished fuselage from an earlier cancelled design project for yet another foreign government.
19. That earlier, cancelled project was headed by a designer who is today recognized as a true pioneer in aerodynamics and an inventor of international fame.
20. Our subject aircraft came into being as an equal span biplane.
21. Ailerons on both wings.
22. Both wings had a small amount of dihedral built into them.
23. The prototype aircrafts engine was enclosed by a cowling with no front openings, but left open on the bottom.
24. After initial testing, the wings were increased in span and chord.
25. The rudder was increased in size.
26. The cowling was redesigned to be open fronted.
27. And the wheels were fitted with fabric panels.
28. The prototype proved to be very fast and attracted military interest.
29. The first two production aircraft were completed shortly after war broke out and were requisitioned by the government.
30. Which was impressed by the performance of the aircraft and quickly ordered more.
31. Several hundred were produced, in several different models.
32. A number of different modifications were tried to make the aircraft better suited for actual combat.
33. Many of these modifications were later fitted to many other aircraft.
34. Several pilots of our subject aircraft were awarded for their successes.
35. Some of our subject aircraft were in naval service and were used in first ever exploits.
36. Unfortunately, by the time all of these experiments resulted in a workable solution, our subject aircraft was obsolescent.
37. However, one of its progeny was then in position to take up the mantel; and eventually ended a period of enemy aerial supremacy.
38. And by then, all fighter aircraft were known as scouts.
Answer: The Bristol Scout
The Bristol Scout was a single-seat rotary-enginedbiplane originally designed as a racing aircraft. Like similar fast, light aircraft of the period it was used by the RNAS and the RFC as a "scout", or fast reconnaissance type. It was one of the first single-seaters to be used as a fighter aircraft, although it was not possible to fit it with an effective forward-firing armament until the first British-designed gun synchronizers became available later in 1916, by which time the Scout was obsolescent. Single-seat fighters continued to be called "scouts" in British usage into the early 1920s.The Bristol Scout was designed in the second half of 1913 by Frank Barnwell and Harry Busteed, Bristol's chief test pilot, who thought of building a small high-performance biplane while testing the Bristol X.3 seaplane, a project which had been designed by a separate secret design department headed by Barnwell. The design was initially given the works number SN.183, inherited from a cancelled design for the Italian government undertaken by Henri Coanda, the half-finished fuselage of which remained in the workshops and the drawings for the aircraft bore this number.
Design and developmentThe design was an equal-span single-bay biplane with staggered parallel-chord wings with raked wingtips and ailerons fitted to the upper and lower wings, which were rigged with about half a degree of dihedral, making them look almost straight when viewed from the front. The wing section was one designed by Coanda which had been used for the wings of the Bristol Coanda Biplanes.[3] The rectangular-section fuselage was an orthodox wire-braced wooden structure constructed from ash and spruce, with the forward section covered with aluminium sheeting and the rear section fabric covered.[3] It was powered by an 80 hp (60 kW) Gnome Lambdarotary engine enclosed in a cowling that had no open frontal area, although the bottom was cut away to allow cooling air to get to the engine.[4] It had a rectangular balanced rudder with no fixed fin and split elevators attached to a non-lifting horizontal stabiliser. The fixed horizontal tail surfaces were outlined in steel tube with wooden ribs and the elevators constructed entirely of steel tube. The first flight was made at Larkhill on 23 February 1914 by Busteed and it was then exhibited at the March 1914 Aero Show at Olympia in London. After more flying at Larkhill the prototype, later referred to as the Scout A, was returned to the factory at Filton and fitted with larger wings, increasing the chord by six inches (15 cm) and the span from 22 ft (6.71 m) to 24 ft 7 in (7.49 m). These were rigged with an increased dihedral of 1 3⁄4°. Other changes included a larger rudder, a new open-fronted cowling with six external stiffening ribs distributed in symmetrically uneven angles around the cowl's sides (especially when seen from "nose-on")[6] and fabric panel-covered wheels. It was evaluated by the British military on 14 May 1914 at Farnborough, when, flown by Busteed, the aircraft achieved an airspeed of 97.5 mph (157 km/h), with a stalling speed of 40 mph (64 kph)[7] The aircraft was then entered for the 1914 Aerial Derby but did not take part because the weather on the day of the race was so poor that Bristol did not wish to risk the aircraft. By this time two more examples (works nos. 229 and 230) were under construction and the prototype was sold to Lord Carbery for £400 without its engine. Carbery fitted it with an 80 hp Le Rhτne 9C nine-cylinder rotary and entered it in the LondonManchester race held on 20 June but damaged the aircraft when landing at Castle Bromwich and had to withdraw. After repairs, including a modification of the undercarriage to widen the track, Carbury entered it in the LondonParisLondon race held on 11 July but had to ditch the aircraft in the English Channel on the return leg; while in France, only one of the two fuel tanks had been filled by mistake. Carbury managed to land alongside a ship and escaped but the aircraft was lost.
Numbers 229 and 230, later designated the Scout B when Frank Barnwell retrospectively gave type numbers to early Bristol aircraft, were identical to the modified Scout A, except for having half-hoop-style underwing skids, what appear to be six stiffening ribs positioned around the engine cowl's exterior circumferential surface (also made with a larger circular front opening for engine cooling when compared to the Scout A) and an enlarged rudder. Completed shortly after the outbreak of war in August 1914, they were requisitioned by the War Office. Given Royal Flying Corps serial numbers 644 and 648, one was allocated to No. 3 Squadron and the other to No. 5 Squadron for evaluation.[1] Number 644 was damaged beyond repair on 12 November 1914 in a crash landing.Impressed by the performance of the aircraft, the War Office ordered twelve examples on 5 November and the Admiralty ordered a further 24 on 7 November.[9] The production aircraft, later called the Scout C, differed from their predecessors mainly in constructional detail, although the cowling was replaced by one with a small frontal opening and no stiffening ribs, the top decking in front of the cockpit had a deeper curve and the aluminium covering of the fuselage sides extended only as far as the forward centre-section struts, aft of which the decking was plywood.
Operational history
The period of service of the Bristol Scout (19141916) marked the genesis of the fighter aircraft as a distinct type and many of the earliest attempts to arm British tractor configuration aircraft with forward-firing guns were tested in action using Bristol Scouts. These began with the arming of the second Scout B, RFC number 648, with two rifles, one each side, aimed outwards and forwards to clear the propeller arc. Two of the Royal Flying Corps' early Bristol Scout C aircraft, numbers 1609 and 1611, flown by Captain Lanoe Hawker with No. 6 Squadron RFC, were each, in their turn as 1609 was written-off from combat damage, 1611 received its gun mount hardware as its replacementarmed with a Lewis machine gun on the left side of the fuselage, almost identical to the manner of the rifles tried on the second Scout B, using a mount that Hawker had designed. When Hawker downed two German aircraft and forced off a third on 25 July 1915 over Passchendaele and Zillebeke he was awarded the first-ever Victoria Cross for the actions of a British single-seat military scout/fighter pilot in aerial combat against an enemy's heavier-than-air aircraft,[11] following the earlier VC awards to William Rhodes-Moorhouse (flying a B.E.2 two-seat observation biplane) and Reginald Warneford (flying against an enemy Zeppelin) in April and June 1915 respectively. Some of the 24 initial production Scout Cs for the RNAS, were armed with one (or occasionally two) Lewis machine guns, sometimes with the Lewis gun mounted on top of the upper wing centre section in the manner of the Nieuport 11; more common was a very dubious choice of placement by some RNAS pilots, in mounting the Lewis gun on the forward fuselage of their Scout Cs, just as if it were a synchronized weapon, firing directly forward and through the propeller arc, an action likely to result in serious damage to the propeller. The type of bullet-deflecting wedges that Roland Garros had tried on his Morane-Saulnier Type N monoplane were also tried on one of the RFC's last Scout Cs, No. 5303 but since this seemed to have also required the use of the Morane Type N's immense "casserole" spinner, which almost totally blocked cooling air from reaching the engine, the deflecting-wedge method was not pursued further with Bristol Scouts. An RNAS Scout was the first landplane to be flown from a ship, when Flt. Lt. H. F. Towler flew No. 1255 from the flying deck of the seaplane carrier HMS Vindex on 3 November 1915. As an attempted defence against German airships, some RNAS Scout Ds were equipped with Ranken Darts, a flechette with 1 lb (0.45 kg) of explosive per projectile, released from a pair of vertical cylindrical containers under the pilot's seat, each containing 24 darts. On 2 August 1916, Flt. Lt. C. T. Freeman flew a Scout from the deck of Vindex and attacked Zeppelin L 17 with Ranken Darts. None of the darts did any damage to the Zeppelin, and since Freeman's aircraft could not land on the Vindex and was too far from land for a safe return, he had to ditch his Scout D after the attack.
In March 1916, RFC Scout C No.5313 was fitted with a Vickers machine gun, synchronised to fire through the propeller by the awkward Vickers-Challenger synchronising gear, the only gear available to the RFC at that time. Six other Scouts, late Scout Cs and early Scout Ds, were also fitted with the same combination. Types using this gear (including the B.E.12, the R.E.8 and the Vickers F.B.19) all had the gun mounted on the port side of the fuselage. The attempt to use the gear for synchronising a centrally mounted gun on the Bristol Scout failed and tests, which continued at least until May 1916, resulted in the abandonment of the idea and no Vickers-armed Bristol Scouts were used in operations.[1] None of the RFC or RNAS squadrons operating the Bristol Scout were exclusively equipped with this aircraft and by the end of the summer of 1916, no new Bristol Scout aircraft were being supplied to the British squadrons of either service, the early fighter squadrons in RFC service being equipped instead with the Airco DH.2 single-seat Pusher configuration fighter. A small number of Bristol Scouts were sent to the Middle East (in Egypt, Mesopotamia and Palestine) in 1916. Others served in Macedonia and with the RNAS in the Eastern Mediterranean. The last known Bristol Scout in military service was the former RNAS Scout D No. 8978 in Australia, which was based at Point Cook, near Melbourne, as late as October 1926.Once the Bristol Scouts were no longer required for frontline service they were reallocated to training units, although many were retained by senior officers as personal "runabouts"
[19] Following the initial run of 36 Scout C airframes, later Scout C production batches, consisting of 50 aircraft built for the RNAS and 75 for the RFC, changed the cowl to a flat-fronted shorter-depth version able to house either the Gnome Lambda rotary, or the alternate choice of a nine-cylinder 80 hp Le Rhτne 9C rotary engine when the Gnome Lambda was not used, and moved the oil tank forward to a position in front of the pilot for better weight distribution and more reliable engine operation. The later cowl for the remaining Scout C aircraft still had the small opening of the domed unit, with both cowl designs having a circumferential slot-style cutaway made at mid-cowl depth of about one-sixth the circumference, to the lowest perimeter of the cowl to increase the cooling effect, and to allow any unburned fuel/oil mix to drain away.[1] A total of some 161 Scout C airframes were produced for the British military as a whole, with the transition to the Scout D standard taking place in a gradual progression of feature changes.
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Two notable reproductions of the Bristol Scout have been built for flight Leo Opdycke, the founder of the World War I AERO quarterly publication, started building a reproduction Scout D in 1962 in New York State, meant to be powered with a Le Rhτne 9C 80 hp rotary engine. The aircraft slowly took form at his home, then in Poughkeepsie, New York, through the early 1980s, when it was completed, then brought to the nearby Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome and flown once there successfully, ending in a slight mishap without injury. The uncovered complete airframe, with engine, is today on display at the Fleet Air Arm Museum in Yeovilton, UK. The other is a reproduction Bristol Scout C, a reproduction of No. 1264, one of the first 24 Scout Cs built for the RNAS, but using the preserved joystick, rudder bar and still-functional Bosch starting magneto from the original No. 1264 aircraft. David and Sue Bremner of the UK, grandchildren of the original pilot of No. 1264, wanted to create an airworthy tribute to their grandfather, RNAS pilot Francis Donald Holden Bremner, in 2002 using the artifacts of their grandfather's original. Research started in 2002, with construction of the airframe starting in 2008. The first flight of the reproduction, powered likewise to Opdycke's earlier reproduction project with a Le Rhτne 9C rotary, occurred on 9 July 2015, with a visit to the area around Gallipoli where their grandfather's aircraft was based from December 1915 to August 1916 to fly the reproduction where their grandfather's original Scout C flew against the Central Powers.
Specifications (Bristol Scout D)Data from Bristol Aircraft since 1910 General characteristics· Crew: one· Length: 20 ft 8 in (6.30 m)· Wingspan: 24 ft 7 in (7.49 m)· Height: 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m)· Wing area: 198 ft² (18.40 m²)· Empty weight: 789 lb (358 kg)· Loaded weight: 1,195 lb (542 kg)· Powerplant: 1 Χ Le Rhτne 9Crotary piston engine, 80 hp (60 kW) Performance· Maximum speed: 94 mph (151 km/h)· Service ceiling: 16,000 ft (4,900 m)· Rate of climb: 18 min 30 sec to 10,000 ft (18 min 30 sec to 3,048 m)· Power/mass: 0.067 hp/lb (0.11 kW/kg)· Combat endurance: 2½ hours Armament· 1 Χ Lewis or Vickers machine gun
FYI; the "obvious answer" to which I referred was the Bristol Fighter, which ultimately led to the use of the term "fighter" for aircraft of that type; but that was after the war. I figured someone would come up with the Bristol Fighter pretty quickly, and that would make someone else think "If not the Bristol Fighter, how about the Bristol Scout?".
People tend to forget just how important the Scout was in the early war period. In the dark days of the Fokker Scourge, the Bristol Fighter, the later DH2 and the Nieuport 11 were the planes that first challenged the Fokker Eindeckers on somewhat even terms. I hope you all enjoyed the ride. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft is one of the lesser known aircraft used in a war which featured a large number of iconic aircraft.
2. It was well known at the time, but has slipped from public memory.
3. And it was certainly in the right place at the right time.
4. It was actually designed before the war.
5. Its name actually became the name by which an entire class of aircraft became known.
6. It was originally designed as a racing aircraft.
7. The genesis of the aircraft was a series of conversations between the designer and a test pilot.
8. They were involved in testing a seaplane.
9. A seaplane designed by a secret design group, headed by the designer of our subject aircraft.
10. Somewhat ironically, the seaplane was based upon an earlier land aircraft.
11. The earlier land aircraft, one of a series of aircraft, was specially designed to be taken apart and put back together easily.
12. One of the series (two aircraft) was developed for a foreign government.
13. But by the time it was ready for delivery, war had broken out and the plane couldnt be delivered.
14. The seaplane used a number of innovative ideas, which were ultimately successful, but which could not be brought to fruition at the time.
15. Many years later, these ideas resulted in what we today know as hydrofoils.
16. Later, the designer invented a novel method of destroying mines, using some of the ideas, research and testing of the unsuccessful seaplane.
17. While testing the seaplane, the designer and test pilot discussed the potential need for a small, high performance aircraft.
18. Our subject aircraft came into being using plans, ideas, a wing design and a half finished fuselage from an earlier cancelled design project for yet another foreign government.
19. That earlier, cancelled project was headed by a designer who is today recognized as a true pioneer in aerodynamics and an inventor of international fame.
20. Our subject aircraft came into being as an equal span biplane.
21. Ailerons on both wings.
22. Both wings had a small amount of dihedral built into them.
23. The prototype aircrafts engine was enclosed by a cowling with no front openings, but left open on the bottom.
24. After initial testing, the wings were increased in span and chord.
25. The rudder was increased in size.
26. The cowling was redesigned to be open fronted.
27. And the wheels were fitted with fabric panels.
28. The prototype proved to be very fast and attracted military interest.
29. The first two production aircraft were completed shortly after war broke out and were requisitioned by the government.
30. Which was impressed by the performance of the aircraft and quickly ordered more.
31. Several hundred were produced, in several different models.
32. A number of different modifications were tried to make the aircraft better suited for actual combat.
33. Many of these modifications were later fitted to many other aircraft.
34. Several pilots of our subject aircraft were awarded for their successes.
35. Some of our subject aircraft were in naval service and were used in first ever exploits.
36. Unfortunately, by the time all of these experiments resulted in a workable solution, our subject aircraft was obsolescent.
37. However, one of its progeny was then in position to take up the mantel; and eventually ended a period of enemy aerial supremacy.
38. And by then, all fighter aircraft were known as scouts.
Answer: The Bristol Scout
The Bristol Scout was a single-seat rotary-enginedbiplane originally designed as a racing aircraft. Like similar fast, light aircraft of the period it was used by the RNAS and the RFC as a "scout", or fast reconnaissance type. It was one of the first single-seaters to be used as a fighter aircraft, although it was not possible to fit it with an effective forward-firing armament until the first British-designed gun synchronizers became available later in 1916, by which time the Scout was obsolescent. Single-seat fighters continued to be called "scouts" in British usage into the early 1920s.
Background
Design and developmentThe design was an equal-span single-bay biplane with staggered parallel-chord wings with raked wingtips and ailerons fitted to the upper and lower wings, which were rigged with about half a degree of dihedral, making them look almost straight when viewed from the front. The wing section was one designed by Coanda which had been used for the wings of the Bristol Coanda Biplanes.[3] The rectangular-section fuselage was an orthodox wire-braced wooden structure constructed from ash and spruce, with the forward section covered with aluminium sheeting and the rear section fabric covered.[3] It was powered by an 80 hp (60 kW) Gnome Lambdarotary engine enclosed in a cowling that had no open frontal area, although the bottom was cut away to allow cooling air to get to the engine.[4] It had a rectangular balanced rudder with no fixed fin and split elevators attached to a non-lifting horizontal stabiliser. The fixed horizontal tail surfaces were outlined in steel tube with wooden ribs and the elevators constructed entirely of steel tube. The first flight was made at Larkhill on 23 February 1914 by Busteed and it was then exhibited at the March 1914 Aero Show at Olympia in London. After more flying at Larkhill the prototype, later referred to as the Scout A, was returned to the factory at Filton and fitted with larger wings, increasing the chord by six inches (15 cm) and the span from 22 ft (6.71 m) to 24 ft 7 in (7.49 m). These were rigged with an increased dihedral of 1 3⁄4°. Other changes included a larger rudder, a new open-fronted cowling with six external stiffening ribs distributed in symmetrically uneven angles around the cowl's sides (especially when seen from "nose-on")[6] and fabric panel-covered wheels. It was evaluated by the British military on 14 May 1914 at Farnborough, when, flown by Busteed, the aircraft achieved an airspeed of 97.5 mph (157 km/h), with a stalling speed of 40 mph (64 kph)[7] The aircraft was then entered for the 1914 Aerial Derby but did not take part because the weather on the day of the race was so poor that Bristol did not wish to risk the aircraft. By this time two more examples (works nos. 229 and 230) were under construction and the prototype was sold to Lord Carbery for £400 without its engine. Carbery fitted it with an 80 hp Le Rhτne 9C nine-cylinder rotary and entered it in the LondonManchester race held on 20 June but damaged the aircraft when landing at Castle Bromwich and had to withdraw. After repairs, including a modification of the undercarriage to widen the track, Carbury entered it in the LondonParisLondon race held on 11 July but had to ditch the aircraft in the English Channel on the return leg; while in France, only one of the two fuel tanks had been filled by mistake. Carbury managed to land alongside a ship and escaped but the aircraft was lost.
Numbers 229 and 230, later designated the Scout B when Frank Barnwell retrospectively gave type numbers to early Bristol aircraft, were identical to the modified Scout A, except for having half-hoop-style underwing skids, what appear to be six stiffening ribs positioned around the engine cowl's exterior circumferential surface (also made with a larger circular front opening for engine cooling when compared to the Scout A) and an enlarged rudder. Completed shortly after the outbreak of war in August 1914, they were requisitioned by the War Office. Given Royal Flying Corps serial numbers 644 and 648, one was allocated to No. 3 Squadron and the other to No. 5 Squadron for evaluation.[1] Number 644 was damaged beyond repair on 12 November 1914 in a crash landing.Impressed by the performance of the aircraft, the War Office ordered twelve examples on 5 November and the Admiralty ordered a further 24 on 7 November.[9] The production aircraft, later called the Scout C, differed from their predecessors mainly in constructional detail, although the cowling was replaced by one with a small frontal opening and no stiffening ribs, the top decking in front of the cockpit had a deeper curve and the aluminium covering of the fuselage sides extended only as far as the forward centre-section struts, aft of which the decking was plywood.
Operational history
The period of service of the Bristol Scout (19141916) marked the genesis of the fighter aircraft as a distinct type and many of the earliest attempts to arm British tractor configuration aircraft with forward-firing guns were tested in action using Bristol Scouts. These began with the arming of the second Scout B, RFC number 648, with two rifles, one each side, aimed outwards and forwards to clear the propeller arc. Two of the Royal Flying Corps' early Bristol Scout C aircraft, numbers 1609 and 1611, flown by Captain Lanoe Hawker with No. 6 Squadron RFC, were each, in their turn as 1609 was written-off from combat damage, 1611 received its gun mount hardware as its replacementarmed with a Lewis machine gun on the left side of the fuselage, almost identical to the manner of the rifles tried on the second Scout B, using a mount that Hawker had designed. When Hawker downed two German aircraft and forced off a third on 25 July 1915 over Passchendaele and Zillebeke he was awarded the first-ever Victoria Cross for the actions of a British single-seat military scout/fighter pilot in aerial combat against an enemy's heavier-than-air aircraft,[11] following the earlier VC awards to William Rhodes-Moorhouse (flying a B.E.2 two-seat observation biplane) and Reginald Warneford (flying against an enemy Zeppelin) in April and June 1915 respectively. Some of the 24 initial production Scout Cs for the RNAS, were armed with one (or occasionally two) Lewis machine guns, sometimes with the Lewis gun mounted on top of the upper wing centre section in the manner of the Nieuport 11; more common was a very dubious choice of placement by some RNAS pilots, in mounting the Lewis gun on the forward fuselage of their Scout Cs, just as if it were a synchronized weapon, firing directly forward and through the propeller arc, an action likely to result in serious damage to the propeller. The type of bullet-deflecting wedges that Roland Garros had tried on his Morane-Saulnier Type N monoplane were also tried on one of the RFC's last Scout Cs, No. 5303 but since this seemed to have also required the use of the Morane Type N's immense "casserole" spinner, which almost totally blocked cooling air from reaching the engine, the deflecting-wedge method was not pursued further with Bristol Scouts. An RNAS Scout was the first landplane to be flown from a ship, when Flt. Lt. H. F. Towler flew No. 1255 from the flying deck of the seaplane carrier HMS Vindex on 3 November 1915. As an attempted defence against German airships, some RNAS Scout Ds were equipped with Ranken Darts, a flechette with 1 lb (0.45 kg) of explosive per projectile, released from a pair of vertical cylindrical containers under the pilot's seat, each containing 24 darts. On 2 August 1916, Flt. Lt. C. T. Freeman flew a Scout from the deck of Vindex and attacked Zeppelin L 17 with Ranken Darts. None of the darts did any damage to the Zeppelin, and since Freeman's aircraft could not land on the Vindex and was too far from land for a safe return, he had to ditch his Scout D after the attack.
In March 1916, RFC Scout C No.5313 was fitted with a Vickers machine gun, synchronised to fire through the propeller by the awkward Vickers-Challenger synchronising gear, the only gear available to the RFC at that time. Six other Scouts, late Scout Cs and early Scout Ds, were also fitted with the same combination. Types using this gear (including the B.E.12, the R.E.8 and the Vickers F.B.19) all had the gun mounted on the port side of the fuselage. The attempt to use the gear for synchronising a centrally mounted gun on the Bristol Scout failed and tests, which continued at least until May 1916, resulted in the abandonment of the idea and no Vickers-armed Bristol Scouts were used in operations.[1] None of the RFC or RNAS squadrons operating the Bristol Scout were exclusively equipped with this aircraft and by the end of the summer of 1916, no new Bristol Scout aircraft were being supplied to the British squadrons of either service, the early fighter squadrons in RFC service being equipped instead with the Airco DH.2 single-seat Pusher configuration fighter. A small number of Bristol Scouts were sent to the Middle East (in Egypt, Mesopotamia and Palestine) in 1916. Others served in Macedonia and with the RNAS in the Eastern Mediterranean. The last known Bristol Scout in military service was the former RNAS Scout D No. 8978 in Australia, which was based at Point Cook, near Melbourne, as late as October 1926.Once the Bristol Scouts were no longer required for frontline service they were reallocated to training units, although many were retained by senior officers as personal "runabouts"
Variants
Scout A
The single prototype aircraft.Scout B
Two manufactured, identical to the modified Scout A except for having half-hoop-style underwing skids and an enlarged rudder.Type 1 Scout C
Similar to the previous Scout B. These early Scout Cs, in a total run of 36 aircraft twelve for the Royal Flying Corps, and 24 for the RNAS also had their main oil tank moved to a position directly behind the pilot's shoulders, requiring a raised rear dorsal fairing immediately behind the pilot's seat to accommodate it. These aircraft used a small-central opening, "dome-fronted" cowl that were only intended for use with the 80 hp Gnome Lambda seven cylinder rotary engine, curiously the rotary engine choice the Royal Naval Air Service favored.[1][19] Following the initial run of 36 Scout C airframes, later Scout C production batches, consisting of 50 aircraft built for the RNAS and 75 for the RFC, changed the cowl to a flat-fronted shorter-depth version able to house either the Gnome Lambda rotary, or the alternate choice of a nine-cylinder 80 hp Le Rhτne 9C rotary engine when the Gnome Lambda was not used, and moved the oil tank forward to a position in front of the pilot for better weight distribution and more reliable engine operation. The later cowl for the remaining Scout C aircraft still had the small opening of the domed unit, with both cowl designs having a circumferential slot-style cutaway made at mid-cowl depth of about one-sixth the circumference, to the lowest perimeter of the cowl to increase the cooling effect, and to allow any unburned fuel/oil mix to drain away.[1] A total of some 161 Scout C airframes were produced for the British military as a whole, with the transition to the Scout D standard taking place in a gradual progression of feature changes.
Types 2, 3, 4 and 5 Scout D
The last, and most numerous production version, the Scout D, gradually came about as the result of a series of further improvements to the Scout C design. One of the earliest changes appeared on seventeen of the 75 naval Scout Cs with an increase in the wing dihedral angle from 1 3⁄4° to 3° and other aircraft in the 75 aircraft naval production run introduced a larger-span set of horizontal tail surfaces and a broadened-chord rudder, shorter-span ailerons and a large front opening for the cowl, much like that of Scout B but made without the external stiffening ribs instead.[20] The newer cowl was sometimes modified with a blister on the starboard lower side for more efficient exhaust-gas scavenging, as it was meant to house the eventual choice of the more powerful, nine-cylinder 100 hp Gnτme Monosoupape B2 rotary engine in later production batches, to improve the Scout D's performance. Some 210 examples of the Scout D version were produced, with 80 of these being ordered by the RNAS and the other 130 being ordered by the Royal Flying Corps.[1][21]
Other variants
· S.2A : Two-seat fighter version of the Scout D. Two were built as advanced training aircraft.Operators
Survivors and reproductions
Specifications (Bristol Scout D)Data from Bristol Aircraft since 1910 General characteristics· Crew: one· Length: 20 ft 8 in (6.30 m)· Wingspan: 24 ft 7 in (7.49 m)· Height: 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m)· Wing area: 198 ft² (18.40 m²)· Empty weight: 789 lb (358 kg)· Loaded weight: 1,195 lb (542 kg)· Powerplant: 1 Χ Le Rhτne 9Crotary piston engine, 80 hp (60 kW) Performance· Maximum speed: 94 mph (151 km/h)· Service ceiling: 16,000 ft (4,900 m)· Rate of climb: 18 min 30 sec to 10,000 ft (18 min 30 sec to 3,048 m)· Power/mass: 0.067 hp/lb (0.11 kW/kg)· Combat endurance: 2½ hours Armament· 1 Χ Lewis or Vickers machine gun
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Wow! I was up til 3 figuring that out...one clue lead down many paths 
here we go, haven't done one in a while...what am I?
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
here we go, haven't done one in a while...what am I?
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
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Wow! I was up til 3 figuring that out...one clue lead down many paths
here we go, haven't done one in a while...what am I?
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
here we go, haven't done one in a while...what am I?
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
The Bristol Bulldog was a British Royal Air Force single-seat biplanefighter designed during the 1920s by the Bristol Aeroplane Company. More than 400 Bulldogs were produced for the RAF and overseas customers, and it was one of the most famous aircraft used by the RAF during the inter-war period.
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A bit of work and you figured it out. Easy stuff! As to your question, how about the Bristol Bulldog? Thanks; Ernie P.
The Bristol Bulldog was a British Royal Air Force single-seat biplanefighter designed during the 1920s by the Bristol Aeroplane Company. More than 400 Bulldogs were produced for the RAF and overseas customers, and it was one of the most famous aircraft used by the RAF during the inter-war period.
The Bristol Bulldog was a British Royal Air Force single-seat biplanefighter designed during the 1920s by the Bristol Aeroplane Company. More than 400 Bulldogs were produced for the RAF and overseas customers, and it was one of the most famous aircraft used by the RAF during the inter-war period.
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
4. This airframe was also based on a rival design of the same era from a different country.
5. The original owner eventually flew this plane in combat
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Not the Bulldog...a tad earlier though
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
4. This airframe was also based on a rival design of the same era from a different country.
5. The original owner eventually flew this plane in combat
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
4. This airframe was also based on a rival design of the same era from a different country.
5. The original owner eventually flew this plane in combat
Answer: The Euler D.1? The Euler D.I was a German single-seat fighter based on the FrenchNieuport 17. After seeing the success of the French Nieuport 11 at the front, German designer August Euler set about to create a German aircraft based on the Nieuport design. The Euler D.I first flew in late 1916. It was powered by an 80 hp engine with the Euler patented machine gun on the front. Two prototypes were recorded as being in service at the front in October 1916, and the German government ordered 50 in the same month. A further 50 were ordered in early 1917, but this order was largely transferred over to the D.I's successor, the Euler D.II. The plane saw very little combat service, being largely used as a fighter trainer for the remainder of the war. The Euler D.II was a German single-seat fighter, the successor to the earlier Euler D.I. The D.II was essentially a re-engined Euler D.I, the air-frame being virtually unchanged and the power plant being a 100 hp Oberusel U I seven cylinder rotary. 30 D.II fighters were ordered by the German air force in March 1917, however due to slow production these were not delivered until December 1917. As a result, the D.II was relegated to the role of a trainer aircraft for the rest of the war.
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Not the Bulldog...a tad earlier though
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
4. This airframe was also based on a rival design of the same era from a different country.
5. The original owner eventually flew this plane in combat
1. Based on a private purchase aircraft
2. This airframe featured many unique features when compared to its contemperaries
3. based on a scout design
4. This airframe was also based on a rival design of the same era from a different country.
5. The original owner eventually flew this plane in combat
Answer: The Fokker E.1
The Fokker E.I was the first fighter aircraft to enter service with the Deutsches Heer's Fliegertruppe air service in World War I. Its arrival at the front in mid-1915 marked the start of a period known as the "Fokker Scourge" during which the E.I and its successors achieved a measure of air superiority over the Western Front.
The E.I was essentially an armed version of the Fokker M.5K single-seat reconnaissance aircraft[1](military designation A.III), which was in turn very closely based on the design of the 1913 French Morane-Saulnier Type H. Like the Morane, the Fokker was an externally braced mid-winged monoplane with a vertically tapered box section fuselage, with fully movable horizontal and vertical stabilizing surfaces, also known as "flying" surfaces, giving the pilot the usual tail control functions; roll control was achieved through controlled wing warping, as was conventional in contemporary monoplanes. Wing warping was achieved through external cables attached to the wing's rear spar, and running through a king post located in the front of the cockpit. The fuselage structure was fabric covered welded chromium-molybdenum steel tubing, the biggest difference between the Fokker and the Morane, which had an entirely wooden framework. Welded "cromoly" steel tube provided the basis for the structure of all Fokker fuselages for many years.
This unremarkable and derivative design was, however, transformed into a formidable fighter when it was fitted with the newly developed synchronizer gear, the Fokker Stangensteuerung system, firing a single 7.92 mm (.312 in) Parabellum LMG 14 or Spandau lMG 08 machine gun through the spinning propeller.[1] Indeed, the five production prototype airframes for the E.I design had been ordered and were under construction as A.IIIs but were completed as M.5K/MG aircraft, retaining the earlier "shoulder-wing" placement of the A.III type. Subsequent production E.Is had their wings lowered slightly – as Leutnant Otto Parschau's E.1/15 had later in its career during 1915 – from the M.5's shoulder configuration, which improved pilot visibility. (These were designated by Fokker as the M.14, which was also used for the following two Eindecker variants.)
All Fokker E.I aircraft had a 68.5 l (18.1 US gal) capacity, single gravity fuel tank, located forward of the cockpit, with a fuel gauge protruding from the sheet metal upper nose paneling, usually offset slightly to port.
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Okay; let's see how everyone likes this next subject aircraft. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
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PBY-4 Catalina
P-40 Warhawk
Hawker Hurricane
BF-109
Spitfire
B5N Kate Torpedo Bomber
D3A Val Dive Bomber
A6M Zero Fighter
P-40 Warhawk
Hawker Hurricane
BF-109
Spitfire
B5N Kate Torpedo Bomber
D3A Val Dive Bomber
A6M Zero Fighter
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No correct answers thus far, despite a lot of serious effort. I'll reward all the participation with an evening clue and a couple of bonus clues. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
2. It was designed for one role, but ultimately became famous for another.
3. It was named for a famous military figure.
4. A military figure NOT involved with aircraft in any way.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
2. It was designed for one role, but ultimately became famous for another.
3. It was named for a famous military figure.
4. A military figure NOT involved with aircraft in any way.
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Not the Hindenburg, JohnnyS; but here's a bonus clue for participating. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
2. It was designed for one role, but ultimately became famous for another.
3. It was named for a famous military figure.
4. A military figure NOT involved with aircraft in any way.
5. All the major combatants in WWII seem to have had an aircraft with similar performance characteristics, and performing the same general duties, as our subject aircraft.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
2. It was designed for one role, but ultimately became famous for another.
3. It was named for a famous military figure.
4. A military figure NOT involved with aircraft in any way.
5. All the major combatants in WWII seem to have had an aircraft with similar performance characteristics, and performing the same general duties, as our subject aircraft.
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Great answer, Sparky; but not where we're headed. But here's a morning clue and a bonus clue for you. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
2. It was designed for one role, but ultimately became famous for another.
3. It was named for a famous military figure.
4. A military figure NOT involved with aircraft in any way.
5. All the major combatants in WWII seem to have had an aircraft with similar performance characteristics, and performing the same general duties, as our subject aircraft.
6. The chief designer used a rather unique approach. He spent a lot of time talking to the pilots who would be flying the aircraft; finding out what they thought was needed in a new aircraft.
7. Which is not to say that those who would be making the decisions were necessarily of the same opinion.
What warbird do I describe?
1. This aircraft was designed, and came into service prior to WWII.
2. It was designed for one role, but ultimately became famous for another.
3. It was named for a famous military figure.
4. A military figure NOT involved with aircraft in any way.
5. All the major combatants in WWII seem to have had an aircraft with similar performance characteristics, and performing the same general duties, as our subject aircraft.
6. The chief designer used a rather unique approach. He spent a lot of time talking to the pilots who would be flying the aircraft; finding out what they thought was needed in a new aircraft.
7. Which is not to say that those who would be making the decisions were necessarily of the same opinion.