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Old 08-13-2018, 05:22 PM
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Blackburn Firecrest

Old 08-13-2018, 08:25 PM
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Not the Blackburn!


1. 150 were ordered but the orders were cancelled after only a few were built. 2 were prototypes and the remainder were production aircraft.
2. It was originally intended to be an evolutionary update to an iconic aircraft, but as time went on the number of changes became so substantial the designers decided to change the name. Strangely though, the "mark" number was carried over from the previous aircraft even though the name was changed.
3. One of the changes made to the aircraft from the original design was intended to give it the fastest roll rate of any existing aircraft of its type.
Old 08-15-2018, 07:49 AM
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Elmshoot, you're going to kick yourself when the answer is revealed, based on your sig!

New clue:
1. 150 were ordered but the orders were cancelled after only a few were built. 2 were prototypes and the remainder were production aircraft.
2. It was originally intended to be an evolutionary update to an iconic aircraft, but as time went on the number of changes became so substantial the designers decided to change the name. Strangely though, the "mark" number was carried over from the previous aircraft even though the name was changed.
3. One of the changes made to the aircraft from the original design was intended to give it the fastest roll rate of any existing aircraft of its type.
4. One of the major changes made to the aircraft from the original design was in an iconic feature of the original that was so successful that the operators really came to desire it in all new designs during the course of the war, and looked sceptically at new designs that did not have this feature.

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Old 08-15-2018, 09:14 AM
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I think that last post was two clues! What about the Supermarine Spiteful?
Old 08-15-2018, 02:12 PM
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I was thinking along the spitfire linage as a possibility.
The clipped wings on later Spitfire was done to improve roll rate I believe.
Old 08-15-2018, 02:29 PM
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DIng Ding Ding!!! CF105, you are the WINNER!

I thought I was giving too much away, but oh well. Have fun!!


Old 08-15-2018, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyS
DIng Ding Ding!!! CF105, you are the WINNER!

I thought I was giving too much away, but oh well. Have fun!!
JohnnyS; I've been watching your question. I was thinking about a later prototype version of the P-38. I seem to remember something about hydraulically assisted ailerons being used on a prototype P-38 that actually gave it a roll rate faster than anything else at the time. Yeah; a P-38! Good question and I thought you handled the clues very well. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 08-15-2018, 09:16 PM
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Ernie, are you talking about the XP-49 and later XP-58 "Chain Lightning"? Neither one got past a single prototype since, with the XP-49, the planned new engines were never produced past prototypes and it later "belly landed", badly damaging the plane. It was later used for structural testing and scrapped. The Chain Lightning was doomed from the beginning due to it's size, lack of the planned engines and overall complexity. Planned as a "bomber killer", it could fly high and, as originally planned, fast. The Pentagon then decided the plane's size would allow more and larger weapons, resulting in the dramatic slowing of the plane due to the increased weight. After the war started to favor the allies, the Pentagon decided the plane wasn't needed in the planned roll so it was redesigned as a ground support plane. It's size made it too vulnerable for such a roll and, after much debate, the project was cancelled

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Old 08-16-2018, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
Ernie, are you talking about the XP-49 and later XP-58 "Chain Lightning"? Neither one got past a single prototype since, with the XP-49, the planned new engines were never produced past prototypes and it later "belly landed", badly damaging the plane. It was later used for structural testing and scrapped. The Chain Lightning was doomed from the beginning due to it's size, lack of the planned engines and overall complexity. Planned as a "bomber killer", it could fly high and, as originally planned, fast. The Pentagon then decided the plane's size would allow more and larger weapons, resulting in the dramatic slowing of the plane due to the increased weight. After the war started to favor the allies, the Pentagon decided the plane wasn't needed in the planned roll so it was redesigned as a ground support plane. It's size made it too vulnerable for such a roll and, after much debate, the project was cancelled
Yeah, that's probably what I was remembering. Plus maybe the cancelling of one of the later, and superior, model P-38's because they didn't want to disrupt the assembly line. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 08-16-2018, 05:05 AM
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The XP-58 looked like the love child of a P-38 and a P-60 Black Widow.
Old 08-16-2018, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
The XP-58 looked like the love child of a P-38 and a P-60 Black Widow.
And. just like the Black Widow, it had a rear gunner. When you really think about it, the Black Widow was what the Chain Lightning wanted to be, but wasn't
Old 08-16-2018, 06:48 AM
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Okay, I’ve got a subject. Let’s see if I can make it more challenging than my last attempt!

1 - Single engine, tail dragger.
Old 08-16-2018, 08:33 AM
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How about giving us another clue there isn't much there to narrow the field?
Old 08-16-2018, 02:47 PM
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I have to agree, that clue could be just about anything prop driven or an early ME-262, if you're talking about a combat plane.
Old 08-16-2018, 03:51 PM
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I'm guessing the Antonov A40

Old 08-16-2018, 07:58 PM
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Piper Cub
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:13 AM
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Blackburn Firecrest!!!

Old 08-17-2018, 06:43 AM
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Hey, I wanted to last beyond the first clue!

1 - Single engine, tail dragger.
2 - Built for a particular role. It was actually rejected for that purpose but accepted anyway for another job.
Old 08-18-2018, 08:51 AM
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Saturday & Sunday clues:

1 - Single engine, tail dragger.
2 - Built for a particular role. It was actually rejected for that purpose but accepted anyway for another job.
3 - The manufacturer is one that RC scale modellers are likely aware of, but not one of the “big” names.
4 - The plane in question contained a number departures from the company’s previous aircraft.
Old 08-18-2018, 10:54 AM
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Hawker Typhoon?
Old 08-18-2018, 06:19 PM
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Not the Tiffy, but here’s a bonus clue:

1 - Single engine, tail dragger.
2 - Built for a particular role. It was actually rejected for that purpose but accepted anyway for another job.
3 - The manufacturer is one that RC scale modellers are likely aware of, but not one of the “big” names.
4 - The plane in question contained a number departures from the company’s previous aircraft.
5 - The landing gear included an unusual feature.
Old 08-19-2018, 02:27 PM
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Fairey Barracuda?
Old 08-20-2018, 04:44 AM
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Brewster F2A Buffalo?
Old 08-20-2018, 07:37 AM
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Neither the Barracuda nor the Buffalo. Today's clue:

1 - Single engine, tail dragger.
2 - Built for a particular role. It was actually rejected for that purpose but accepted anyway for another job.
3 - The manufacturer is one that RC scale modellers are likely aware of, but not one of the “big” names.
4 - The plane in question contained a number departures from the company’s previous aircraft.
5 - The landing gear included an unusual feature.
6 - Built in small numbers (barely 100) for a single service that accepted it reluctantly.
Old 08-20-2018, 01:36 PM
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How about the SBC Vindicator?


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