Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
09-17-2019, 01:20 PM
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And yet there are reports of the record being set. There are more than a few "head scratcher" things about this particular aircraft (as opposed to this particular aircraft type), but JohnnyS is correct. One interesting thing.... but I'll leave that for JohnnyS to divulge, should he so choose. It is an interesting military aircraft. Thanks; Ernie P.
09-18-2019, 04:42 AM
New Clue!
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
09-18-2019, 06:11 AM
OK, FlyerInOKC, that earns a new clue!
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
15. Bellanca made more than one aircraft, eh?
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
15. Bellanca made more than one aircraft, eh?
09-19-2019, 01:43 PM
New clue!
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
15. Bellanca made more than one aircraft, eh?
16. The export prohibition that caused the problems delivering the aircraft was the US export prohibition on arms to Spain during the Spanish civil war.
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
15. Bellanca made more than one aircraft, eh?
16. The export prohibition that caused the problems delivering the aircraft was the US export prohibition on arms to Spain during the Spanish civil war.
09-20-2019, 05:25 AM
New clue!
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
15. Bellanca made more than one aircraft, eh?
16. The export prohibition that caused the problems delivering the aircraft was the US export prohibition on arms to Spain during the Spanish civil war.
17. Maximum speed was 280 mph.
1. Built by an American manufacturer.
2. Developed from an earlier racing aircraft.
3. Fewer than 50 built.
4. Only used in the USA as a training aid.
5. It was originally designed for export to a particular country, but was never delivered. It did wind up being exported to two other countries where it served briefly.
6. Crew of two.
7. 14 cylinder radial engine.
8. The first batch built was painted in Air France livery to try to get around an export prohibition.
9. One of the countries that operated this aircraft was China.
10. And the other country that operated this aircraft was Mexico.
11. The earlier racing aircraft mentioned in clue #1 set a transatlantic speed record.
12. The transatlantic speed record in clue # 11 was set in 1936.
13. Wingspan was just over 46 feet.
14. Designer was Albert W. Mooney.
15. Bellanca made more than one aircraft, eh?
16. The export prohibition that caused the problems delivering the aircraft was the US export prohibition on arms to Spain during the Spanish civil war.
17. Maximum speed was 280 mph.
09-20-2019, 05:39 PM
I probably could EXCEPT I wouldn't be able to run a quiz for at least a couple of weeks due to other commitments so I've kind of been forced to not take an active part in the thread for a bit.
09-20-2019, 07:06 PM
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Answer: The Bellanca 28-90 Flash
The Bellanca 28-90 Flash was an American military aircraft derived from an earlier air racer developed in the 1930s for export to Spain to take part in the Spanish Civil War. Although it never reached Spain, the order was diverted to China where the aircraft briefly saw service. Later, a new batch destined for Spain ended up in Mexico.
Design and development
The Bellanca 28-70 air racer built by Giuseppe Mario Bellanca for the 1934 MacRobertson Race was shipped to Great Britain but was unable to participate in the race due to a lack of time to adequately prepare the aircraft. It went back to the USA to finish its tests, but was badly damaged in a landing accident. In 1936 the aircraft was rebuilt with a 900 hp P&W "Twin Wasp" and redesignated the 28-90. After being purchased by British long-distance air racer James Mollison, he renamed the aircraft Dorothy after actress friend Dorothy Ward. Mollison used the Bellanca 28-90 for a new transatlantic speed record on 29–30 October 1936 and later in the year made an attempt to set a long-distance London-Cape Town record that was aborted. In 1937 Mollison flew to Madrid and sold the aircraft to the Republican government in Spain. Operational history
The Spanish Republican government, in desperate need of modern military aircraft, placed an order for 20 aircraft in 1936 through an "arms length" deal with Air France. In order to circumvent US government export restrictions in the Neutrality Acts aimed at stopping exports to combatants in Europe, the Bellanca 28-90s were marked with spurious Air France livery and declared by Bellanca to be mailplanes. The truth was discovered, however, and export permission was denied. Nevertheless, the Chinese government managed to secure permission to buy the aircraft and they were shipped there instead. Fitted with bomb racks and machine guns mounted in the fuselage at Hangkow, this first batch of machines saw brief service, although seven of them were destroyed on the ground in Japanese raids without having seen combat. The remainder were destroyed in testing.Undaunted, the Spanish government tried again, ordering 22 examples as "trainers" with full payment in advance, with the aircraft this time being exported to a Greek civil reservist flying school. Once again, however, the truth was found out and export permission denied. They were eventually successfully purchased for export to Mexico, but with their true destination again Spain. However, before the aircraft could be supplied, the Spanish Civil War was over.
After languishing for over a year in a warehouse in Veracruz, they were indeed purchased by the Mexican Air Force, with which they served from 1939 to 1940 until grounded due to safety concerns. In 1946, the surviving 19 airframes were acquired by the Charles E. Babb Company and shipped to Glendale, California. A final sale of the Bellancas still in packing crates was made to the US Navy where the aircraft were distributed to US Navy Technical Centers as training aids.
Specifications
General characteristics· Crew: two, pilot and observer · · Length: 26 ft 6 in (8.08 m) · · Wingspan: 46 ft 2 in (14.08 m) · · Wing area: 279 ft2 (25.9 m2) · · Gross weight: 7,849 lb (3,560 kg) · · Powerplant: 1 Χ Pratt & Whitney R-1830, 960 hp (716 kW) ·
Performance
· Maximum speed: 280 mph (450 km/h) · · Range: 800 miles (1,290 km) · · Service ceiling: 30,500 ft (9,300 m) · · Rate of climb: 2,800 ft/min (14.2 m/s) ·
09-21-2019, 04:42 AM
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For the record, I will admit to being a Lurker on this thread. But my knowledge of aircraft could never compete with the aircraft that you all refer to.
That being said, I think that I (and, I suspect, a lot of other people out there) am still learning a lot from the clues and nuances that you discuss here. I didn't want you to think that you only had a small audience here.
I could never complete on your level, but still enjoy the thread.
Bob
That being said, I think that I (and, I suspect, a lot of other people out there) am still learning a lot from the clues and nuances that you discuss here. I didn't want you to think that you only had a small audience here.
I could never complete on your level, but still enjoy the thread.
Bob
09-21-2019, 09:08 AM
Bob, it's not a matter of how much you do or don't know. Googling and source surfing if part of the fun. I can't say I'm a WWI aircraft expert or know who flew or designed what, I just have fun trying to find the information and, if I'm wrong, NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!
For anyone else that lurks, feel free to give a guess at what the plane/person is in a quiz. Hell, I just learned that the guy who started Mooney Aircraft was a designer for Bellanca before he started his own company. I didn't have any idea that Albert Mooney had been involved with aviation anywhere close to that long but, then again, he did have several very successful designs with his own company after WWII had ended.
For anyone else that lurks, feel free to give a guess at what the plane/person is in a quiz. Hell, I just learned that the guy who started Mooney Aircraft was a designer for Bellanca before he started his own company. I didn't have any idea that Albert Mooney had been involved with aviation anywhere close to that long but, then again, he did have several very successful designs with his own company after WWII had ended.
09-21-2019, 03:41 PM
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What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasnt uncommon during the period.
09-21-2019, 07:40 PM
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No correct answers thus far. However, I'll award two new clues to reward the attempts. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
09-21-2019, 07:45 PM
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For the record, I will admit to being a Lurker on this thread. But my knowledge of aircraft could never compete with the aircraft that you all refer to.
That being said, I think that I (and, I suspect, a lot of other people out there) am still learning a lot from the clues and nuances that you discuss here. I didn't want you to think that you only had a small audience here.
I could never complete on your level, but still enjoy the thread.
Bob
That being said, I think that I (and, I suspect, a lot of other people out there) am still learning a lot from the clues and nuances that you discuss here. I didn't want you to think that you only had a small audience here.
I could never complete on your level, but still enjoy the thread.
Bob
09-22-2019, 02:37 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
09-22-2019, 08:26 AM
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Afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
7. This was due to a number of issues; a major one being handling difficulties.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
7. This was due to a number of issues; a major one being handling difficulties.
09-23-2019, 02:10 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
7. This was due to a number of issues; a major one being handling difficulties.
8. After its long gestation period, it served for only three years in front line service.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
7. This was due to a number of issues; a major one being handling difficulties.
8. After its long gestation period, it served for only three years in front line service.
09-23-2019, 04:42 AM
09-23-2019, 07:56 AM
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No correct answers thus far, but I'll toss in a couple of extra clues as well as the regularly scheduled afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
7. This was due to a number of issues; a major one being handling difficulties.
8. After its long gestation period, it served for only three years in front line service.
9. Designed and produced by a famous manufacturer.
10. The fuselage was a new design.
11. Although the wings were a design originally intended for an earlier aircraft.
What warbird do I describe?
1. Single seat fighter.
2. A relatively short service life.
3. Although that wasn’t uncommon during the period.
4. And a foreign government continued to operate the type for another ten years after it was retired by the country that developed it.
5. The first aircraft of its type for the service that operated it.
6. It went into service more than five years after its first flight.
7. This was due to a number of issues; a major one being handling difficulties.
8. After its long gestation period, it served for only three years in front line service.
9. Designed and produced by a famous manufacturer.
10. The fuselage was a new design.
11. Although the wings were a design originally intended for an earlier aircraft.