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Old 08-06-2010, 10:18 PM
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If laser cut and well engineered, with modern building techniques, I would be fine with a built up wing. Warps would not scare me. I am sure a foam version would be heavier.

I'm building Jose's ME 109F at the moment, and I'm telling you that his stuff is some of the best engineered I've seen. Very well thought out, lightweight, and rock solid.



To say his stuff is nice, just doesn't do it justice.

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Hi JoseG, yes 48 Pound is heavy but it flys very well the landings you must be careful but at 35 to 40 Pounds the landings would be in the same heavy category and caution is required.
With a wing span of mine at 100inch and a fuselage of 95 inches it is a large aircraft in the workshop and i have a constant battle with moving it around without hanger damage and there is only one place in my house that it will fit with the wings fitted, so with yours at 116 inches and i guess a fuse over 105 inches i hope it all fits somewhere.
I am looking forward to the build and to watch the construction.
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Hi Dave,

the 1/5 152 is about 82inches long. The wing will break up in 2 o 3 pieces for easy storage. Another idea that was thrown at RCSB is a 2 piece wing that plug into the fuse. I kinda like it what you you say Vic?
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Old 08-08-2010, 12:19 PM
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A 2 piece sliding onto a tube would be great. Like all of the IMAC stuff. I just wonder how the fillets would be incorporated.,
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM
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Yes, it seems it may be a bit dificult to hang the inner gear doors with a plug in wing, may have to settle with the original plan.
Here is a factory blue print with thge D9 and Ta152 superimpossed drawings, it shows the extra nose lenght. but the fin is actually shorter and more square.

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Old 08-13-2010, 05:10 PM
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I am very interested in this plane and since it seems you are just getting started could I have a request?
I want this aircraft for scale competition. Will this be designed and accurately represent an existing 3 view? I am hoping everything is being done to make this aircraft as scale as possible based upon this 3 view.
Also, could the 3 view used to design the plane be included with the kit along with any other documentation that could be provided?
This would be of great help in preparing a documentation packet
I am very much looking forward to seeing this design progress. It is one of my all time favorite warbirds and they fly amazing.
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Jose is a stickler for true scale.

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That is good to hear. I do not have any experience with any of the other kits.
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I am very interested in this plane and since it seems you are just getting started could I have a request?
I want this aircraft for scale competition. Will this be designed and accurately represent an existing 3 view? I am hoping everything is being done to make this aircraft as scale as possible based upon this 3 view.
Also, could the 3 view used to design the plane be included with the kit along with any other documentation that could be provided?
This would be of great help in preparing a documentation packet
I am very much looking forward to seeing this design progress. It is one of my all time favorite warbirds and they fly amazing.
I'm working on that right now.

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Old 08-13-2010, 08:06 PM
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Kudo's mate as usual awesome work... Hope you consider doing an Emil one day to
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:21 PM
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FOr the last few weeks I've studying these factory drawings of the Ta152 and they're really amazing, (I've posted earlier) these are fuselage with cross sections. The problem is I don't have the plan view so I'm going to be using these 1975 3 views by TW Seay I came accross.

It shows evrything you need to compete if that's what you are into. I could not get a really close up view of the ailerons but seems from the drawing, the pushrods are exposed under the wing just like rc models @) The A and D series ailerons had frisse type with consealed pushrods.

The 3 views are being put into CAD so parts can be laser cut later.

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Old 08-14-2010, 04:32 PM
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Kudo's mate as usual awesome work... Hope you consider doing an Emil one day to
Marty, what's up down under?
I never cared much for the 109's until I started reading about the type, epecially the F model. Everybody seems to agree was the best flying 109, and then I got hooked into the lines and personality of this airplane. I like the rounded wing tips and specially the longer nose makes it easy to balance. The E's and G's dont care much about....
Next Luftwaffe airplane will be different........... (no propeller?) [X(]
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Old 08-14-2010, 05:06 PM
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The Ta152 H also had frise ailerons
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:31 PM
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Jose, I have a full set of Ta 152 fuse former views from the factory.... as well as a bunch of other data.

I can burn you a DVD if you wish...
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Evil, thank you so much for the offer. I have all the fuse formers, I need more info on the wing if you have any, pleae send to me.
Ta152, thatnks for the pic, is clear aileron has external pushrod, I'm wandering if the hinge line is at the bottom like most frisse type?

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The Ta152 H also had frise ailerons
Hello Ta, do you have any pictures of the ailerons top view?

Thanks

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Old 09-11-2011, 06:13 PM
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Jose,
Here is what i would like to see.

Fiberglass fuse with the Fillets molded into it (maybe even the 1 or 2" of the wing outboard of the fillets). this would be worthwhile b/c those fillets are Pain in the butt to make. Then a plug-in 2 piece wing via an aluminum tube. I REALLY like the 3 piece wing option, the problem with that, is since the flaps go well outboard of the gear legs, you would have to split the flaps as well, and after dealing with airplanes in the past that had these flaps that had to be "slotted" together during assembly, it was always a pain.

So.

Fiberglass fuse w/ all details and fillets.
2 piece "tube" plug-in wing
Foam core wing, BUT.... the gear mounts would be integrated into the wing tube/foam core and a vertical shear web as well that follows the same line as the originals spar. This way full gear well detailing can be done. If the structure is built correctly and interlocking, the gear structure and the wing from the spar to the LE would be plenty strong enough for even the worse landings.

P.S. I'll help with prototype build and design
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Old 09-12-2011, 12:53 AM
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Looking at that aileron linkage, it appears the H uses a spring tab aileron. The Friese hinging will be the same as the A/D but actuation is a little different, if this is the case. The forward 'horn' is attached to the aileron through a torque tube or spring, so that at low to normal speeds the aerodynamic forces on the aileron are less than the spring torque, but as the aileron loads increase the the spring starts to allow the forward horn to move without moving the aileron. This relative motion between the horn and the surface allows the fixed pushrod to the tab to move the tab, and this will then aerodynamically move the aileron, assisting the pilot by reducing the load needed to move the main surface, but then I guess you all knew that...
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The Ta152 H also had frise ailerons
Hello Ta, do you have any pictures of the ailerons top view?

Thanks

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Sorry, no pics. But it's some nice drawings here.

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Thanks everyone.

Thomas, the fuse will be molded in 3 pieces to save on shipping overseas. It will have the panel lines and wing saddle built in of course. In the next few days I will be posting some pics of the fuse plug before I add the surface detail.
The wing has been drawn with 18 balsa wood ribs and a harwood joiner in the center. I like the idea of a foam wing with a tube but is too complicated for me with gear and flaps to deal with. You are welcome to experiment with it. I can send you the ribs in DXF format.

pimmmz, thanks for the info, if the hinging is at the bottom then the pushrod should be at the top?

Ta152, those are great drawings! ver nice. It seems ther is a small discrepancy on the profile of the cowl when I compare the factory drawing and the other 3 views#

I will have to look more into that.

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just to add another voice...3 piece built up wing
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3 piece please!! make life for us simple joes a little easier to transport the thing I may have missed it but what about a removable horizontal stabilizers?
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Old 09-12-2011, 07:20 PM
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Hmmm...I thought this project was dead?! I guess you are moving forward with it. Nice to see. I am surprised this design is not modeled more.
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JGrc, no the horns you see are the ones that operate the aileron. It would have made sense to use top for the horn, like the A/D series, and the 152C, but I guess there was good reason to do it like this. The forward horn is long because the hinge is on the aileron lower skin surface, and you need some lever. Looking at the geometry of the thing, if this is indeed a spring tab aileron, then the tab operates in a fashion to increase the effort needed by the pilot, maybe the aileron was a bit too easy to move at higher speeds, and to preserve the structure it was decided to limit the pilots ability to add 'G' at high speeds. Just a guess. With these long wings it would be all too easy to exceed structural limitations.
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Looks like the call for the 3 piece wing is strong. The solution is to have both options and is not too hard to do, just add some ply ribs with holes for the alu tube. The join line will be at the aileron/flap line, Rib 14, to make it easier.
Also will have a C wing available, that will not be too hard since I have the A model ailerons already.
Pics will come up as soon as the wing fairing is finished.

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