Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
02-23-2008, 02:20 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension. So many people have made fun of both trucks because of that in many other forums when they see pictures. Maybe its just me but I did not like it. Front end keeps getting too loose and wobbly and constantly have to tighten it up. Tighten it too much where you get rid of the play and it will not turn, tighten it up too less and your arms wobble like crazy down the straights and off jumps. You have to get it just right.
02-23-2008, 02:20 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
there isn't a factory car that has kingpin... 
There is only C-Hub and pbs LOL
this was of course, in reply to ehroof.
Amen!
The way i see it, when this mold is finished... have all the 1/8 scale vehicles converted to it and have an upgrade kit from kingpin to PBS. Dealers and their supporters are gonna hate it at first, but soon as they actually race it WITH pbs, they'll see the light.
There is only C-Hub and pbs LOL
this was of course, in reply to ehroof.
ORIGINAL: vnmsgt
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension.
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension.
The way i see it, when this mold is finished... have all the 1/8 scale vehicles converted to it and have an upgrade kit from kingpin to PBS. Dealers and their supporters are gonna hate it at first, but soon as they actually race it WITH pbs, they'll see the light.
02-23-2008, 02:20 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
Feedback is good. Like I said it is very preliminary stuff and the mold for the plastic will take a while.
Still gotta work through samples, if backward compatible with current hurricane which would be great and the time it takes to make the molds for the plastic parts.
I like this forum mainly for stuff like this. I can post one thing and hear feedback from so many guys with more RC experience than me.
Good stuff, keep it coming.
Darin
Still gotta work through samples, if backward compatible with current hurricane which would be great and the time it takes to make the molds for the plastic parts.
I like this forum mainly for stuff like this. I can post one thing and hear feedback from so many guys with more RC experience than me.
Good stuff, keep it coming.
Darin
02-23-2008, 02:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: Kemo
there isn't a factory car that has kingpin...
There is only C-Hub and pbs LOL
this was of course, in reply to ehroof.
Amen!
The way i see it, when this mold is finished... have all the 1/8 scale vehicles converted to it and have an upgrade kit from kingpin to PBS. Dealers and their supporters are gonna hate it at first, but soon as they actually race it WITH pbs, they'll see the light.
there isn't a factory car that has kingpin...
There is only C-Hub and pbs LOL
this was of course, in reply to ehroof.
ORIGINAL: vnmsgt
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension.
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension.
The way i see it, when this mold is finished... have all the 1/8 scale vehicles converted to it and have an upgrade kit from kingpin to PBS. Dealers and their supporters are gonna hate it at first, but soon as they actually race it WITH pbs, they'll see the light.
oh really kemo, here is a few replies to you:
http://teamassociated.com/ae/rc8/rc8_home.htm
http://ofna.com/hyper8rtr.php
http://www.cenracing.com/cars/matrix/matrix.html
3 major manufacturers, all 3 dont sell using the pb suspension
02-23-2008, 02:41 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
ORIGINAL: Redharris
Clermont makes a good point! Having 2 Different styles of suspension will cause confusion (and frustration when you order/receive the wrong parts for YOUR car) among Buyers and the Vendors.
Update the Hurricane to make it Comparable to other popular cars. If the arms will fit as an Upgrade, then thats a bonus, but dont engineer a White Elephant just to make it backward compatible.
If the ball-end design (currently popular) has flaws, now is the time to FIX them in the design phase.
P.S. It would be nice....(not mandatory....just Nice) if aftermarket arms from a company such as RPM would fit the car.
Clermont makes a good point! Having 2 Different styles of suspension will cause confusion (and frustration when you order/receive the wrong parts for YOUR car) among Buyers and the Vendors.
Update the Hurricane to make it Comparable to other popular cars. If the arms will fit as an Upgrade, then thats a bonus, but dont engineer a White Elephant just to make it backward compatible.
If the ball-end design (currently popular) has flaws, now is the time to FIX them in the design phase.
P.S. It would be nice....(not mandatory....just Nice) if aftermarket arms from a company such as RPM would fit the car.
I dont know...I just bought my buggy and it would suck if the new parts wouldnt fit...like it or not if you change it the production of current parts would quit...but im guessing at most you might have to drill diff mounting holes in the chassis. if it wont work I guess I'll have to stock pile a bunch of parts so I dont have a new buggy that I cant run
02-23-2008, 02:43 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
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oh really kemo, here is a few replies to you:
http://teamassociated.com/ae/rc8/rc8_home.htm
http://ofna.com/hyper8rtr.php
http://www.cenracing.com/cars/matrix/matrix.html
3 major manufacturers, all 3 dont sell using the pb suspension
ORIGINAL: Kemo
there isn't a factory car that has kingpin...
There is only C-Hub and pbs LOL
this was of course, in reply to ehroof.
Amen!
The way i see it, when this mold is finished... have all the 1/8 scale vehicles converted to it and have an upgrade kit from kingpin to PBS. Dealers and their supporters are gonna hate it at first, but soon as they actually race it WITH pbs, they'll see the light.
there isn't a factory car that has kingpin...
There is only C-Hub and pbs LOL
this was of course, in reply to ehroof.
ORIGINAL: vnmsgt
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension.
If there is one thing I never liked about the monsoon or hurricane it is the kingpin suspension.
The way i see it, when this mold is finished... have all the 1/8 scale vehicles converted to it and have an upgrade kit from kingpin to PBS. Dealers and their supporters are gonna hate it at first, but soon as they actually race it WITH pbs, they'll see the light.
oh really kemo, here is a few replies to you:
http://teamassociated.com/ae/rc8/rc8_home.htm
http://ofna.com/hyper8rtr.php
http://www.cenracing.com/cars/matrix/matrix.html
3 major manufacturers, all 3 dont sell using the pb suspension
You'll see more Jammin vehicles with PBS, since hong nor released that suspension as optional.
02-23-2008, 02:45 PM
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sure bro, i just cant, you know it all, lol
you are saying how great pivot ball is, its not, most all major manufacturers dont use it on the off roads because its unreliable in a rought environment, Thats the point i am trying to make
you are saying how great pivot ball is, its not, most all major manufacturers dont use it on the off roads because its unreliable in a rought environment, Thats the point i am trying to make
02-23-2008, 02:50 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
you can be childish and fight about something you really are unsure of, but the fact of the matter is that a good half of the industry loves PBS and the other half loves C-Hub.
Go do research around the internet about PBS conversions... The hyper 7 had one for a reason, and the Ofna/Jammin vehicles have that option/upgrade too.
This is a feedback thread on the update to the suspension... not a thread to say "oh its junk..." when you have never ran PBS on a 1/8 scale vehicle yourself.
Go do research around the internet about PBS conversions... The hyper 7 had one for a reason, and the Ofna/Jammin vehicles have that option/upgrade too.
This is a feedback thread on the update to the suspension... not a thread to say "oh its junk..." when you have never ran PBS on a 1/8 scale vehicle yourself.
02-23-2008, 03:01 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
PBS for me. Works great on the track. I think its a good step forward for the cane. It needs to keep up with the Team VTX product and with this conversion it will. Good work Darin. 
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
ORIGINAL: ehroof
bro,its all in the words you used, since hong nor released that suspension as optional, OPTIONAL
bro,its all in the words you used, since hong nor released that suspension as optional, OPTIONAL
02-23-2008, 03:03 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
look at that... i only see 2 nay-sayers and the rest seem to be either on the fence or for it 
PBS gets my vote.
Yes, optionals are generally an upgrade. And the PBS is an upgrade for other vehicles from C-Hub and kingpin.
PBS gets my vote.
Yes, optionals are generally an upgrade. And the PBS is an upgrade for other vehicles from C-Hub and kingpin.
02-23-2008, 03:05 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
I have only run one truggy or buggy with PBS and that was this past tuesday with my new Caster K8T and I love the way if feels so I am for it too.
02-23-2008, 03:07 PM
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i am saying to leave it as an option, not make another car that comes with it, let people decide if they want it as an option, like the other companies do.
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i am saying to leave it as an option, not make another car that comes with it, let people decide if they want it as an option, like the other companies do.
i am saying to leave it as an option, not make another car that comes with it, let people decide if they want it as an option, like the other companies do.
02-23-2008, 03:15 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
I rate PBS right up there with the idea that something that is cheaper is better. The only suspension that would work better on these small models would be very much like the original C hub. King pins are from the dark ages [&o]
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Your right ehroof he does know everything...................wow I stand corrected............those probably weren't King Pins I was changing back in the 60's on cars and trucks from the 30's 40's 50's and so on. Could you enlighten me more[sm=confused.gif]
02-23-2008, 03:26 PM
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is the pivot ball the only diff we are discussing???anything going to change in the rear or anywere else??....cause to me it just looks like the outside ends of the front arms is the only diff...
02-23-2008, 03:29 PM
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
PBS is pillow ball suspension... its an upgrade from kingpin. Kingpin gets very sloppy and doesn't hold up well on the track when compared to C-Hub and PBS.
02-23-2008, 03:30 PM
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Your right ehroof he does know everything...................wow I stand corrected............those probably weren't King Pins I was changing back in the 60's on cars and trucks from the 30's 40's 50's and so on. Could you enlighten me more[sm=confused.gif]
Your right ehroof he does know everything...................wow I stand corrected............those probably weren't King Pins I was changing back in the 60's on cars and trucks from the 30's 40's 50's and so on. Could you enlighten me more[sm=confused.gif]
John let it go, he goes all over the internet bashing redcat and trying to start all kinds of rumors, even here on rcu, now he's an advocate for the company. Its not worth the trouble to argue with him.
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is the pivot ball the only diff we are discussing???anything going to change in the rear or anywere else??....cause to me it just looks like the outside ends of the front arms is the only diff...
is the pivot ball the only diff we are discussing???anything going to change in the rear or anywere else??....cause to me it just looks like the outside ends of the front arms is the only diff...
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RE: Early stages of new Hurricane Thoughts?
We were talking about suspension and the best you could do wouls be like this is and that very close to the old system used by most of the manufactors