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Old 04-29-2009, 08:51 PM
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Default Volcano SV Direct Drive Help...

Please dont flame me for the question as i have seen many other posts reguarding this same scenario.

I recently bought a SV from ebay, (60 mph advertised.. realized its a lie but still a great truck!) and everything is great about this truck other than parts breaking easily. Which brings me to my question, Im tired of the spur gear having to be replaced so i would like to instal a steel gear, At the same time i want to instal a direct drive and all the links in other posts as to where to get them have lead me to dead ends. If anyone knows of a good site thats reasonably priced with a great direct drive setup, I would greatly appreciate the help! Money isnt really a problem for the setup but i would like to avoid spending $100 on a single part. lol Another thing too, Im also interested in installing a 2 speed tranny on it as i like to run from off-road to on-road. I kinda set up a track out of my neighbors driveway and my own to make a circle track that is half grass and half pavement. Are there any good 2-speed trannys that are easily compatible with the volcano SV? And if so could someone please link me.. lol Same goes for the direct drive if possible. Thanks alot for any help in advance!

EDIT: I was also wondering about a bigger engine. Am i limited to either the VX .18 and the SH .18 or can i put anything that is the same shape of my VX .18 on the SV?
Old 04-29-2009, 09:18 PM
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You can try rufaster.com Mike might be able to help you and get your parts from him as well plus resonable price too!
Old 04-29-2009, 09:27 PM
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Default RE: Volcano SV Direct Drive Help...

I tried that site but i didnt see anything about direct drive. I looked in the Redcat section and everything.. =/ I guess i could always go through it all once more.
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Can anybody tell me something?
Old 04-30-2009, 02:00 AM
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Go to allaboutfunhobbies.com then go to redcats on the left side, then the volcano, then upgrades. And it should be on the last page. If you dont wanna modify you have ot stick with small blocks, the sh18 is a great motor
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The "direct drive" is the single speed transmission from the Syclone. It is part 05126. You can get it [link=http://here]http://server.sohouniverse.net/~himotora/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=954&=SID#MOREINFO[/link] If you want a spare spur gear, the 44 tooth is 05112 [link=http://here]http://server.sohouniverse.net/~himotora/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=953&=SID#MOREINFO[/link]. The 42 tooth (less gear reduction) is 02112 [link=http://here]http://server.sohouniverse.net/~himotora/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=766&=SID#MOREINFO[/link]. I got the 13 tooth clutch bell (smallest you can make work without significant mods) there also, but do not have a part number. Email Eddie, and he will probably be able to help you out.
Old 04-30-2009, 12:11 PM
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Chevy, I looked at their site a few times and still didnt find the direct drive.. Maybe im just not seeing it but i followed your post to the T and still didnt see it.. They might have removed it. =/ BKFamily, Thanks for all the links! Definatly a big help. One last thing about your post tho, Is there a steel replacement gear i can put on there? I ask because the extra noise isnt really an issue with me and id like to get something that will last a while longer. As far as a small block motor goes, Does that mean any motor i can find that is the same shape as my VX .18 will work as long as its small block? Im wanting to make this volcano a powerhouse, So i want to get a high preformance racing motor. Thanks for the help!

Also im kinda new here so i dont know anybody here on a first name basis.. lol
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i got my direct drive from allaboutfunhobbies. com
send wade an e-mail ...he will help you out with what you need. ask for the Volcano Single Gear Upgrade Transmission. [email protected]

i can't figure out why so many people are having problems stripping spur gears.
as long as the gear mesh is set right from the beginning, the spur gear should last a long time.
I've gone through 3/4 of a gallon of fuel and i'm still on my original plastic spur gear...and it looks like brand new.
set the gear mesh, loc-tite the engine screws. inspect the gears after every 2-3 runs, and check the gear mesh on occasion. this is what i do, and i have not had any problems.
Old 04-30-2009, 01:01 PM
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Default RE: Volcano SV Direct Drive Help...

Here you go Destruktiveone (nice nickname) [link=http://www.rufaster.com/search.aspx?find=05126]this[/link] is the link for the direct drive at RUFaster.com, and like Rob said take your time mesh your gears wright and it will last long.

Hope it helps
Old 04-30-2009, 02:04 PM
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Well Im not sure about everyone else but my spur gear stripped for a few reasons. First, I run my truck extremely hard, I dont give it any slack. lol Second Ive already run a little more than a gallon of nitro through it and from what i gather in this forum thats about all 1 gear usually lasts. Third, also the biggest reason, I lost control of it the last time i ran it, (by lost control i mean lost radio signal) and it wound up flying down the road and into a neighbors house a block away and getting hung up on a beam that holds his garage up. It sat there at full throttle trying to climb a beam for about 20-30 seconds before i got to it. Oh well, that happens i guess. I appreciate all the help tho! Ive ordered a direct drive setup from rufaster and i also ordered a steel spur gear replacement just in case i strip the direct drives gear. =/ (Crosses fingers) Heres a pic of the plastic gear that came factory in my Volcano:

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Old 04-30-2009, 02:35 PM
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By the way, I do not know rufaster, but I agree that Wade at AAFH is a good guy. He is frequently in the "other" forum and even drops in the PalTalk chat room from time to time. But the last tiem I was at his site, I was getting errors and could not get to the store interface. I think it is working again now.

I am not aware of a steel replacement for the spur, but I would not be surprised if there was one. I just do not know where to get one. Wade, rufaster or Eddie may be able to help. My only "advice" about that is that there is an up side to having a relatively cheap and easy to replace "weak link" somewhere in the drive train. Replacing a spur is better than trashing a complete differential. And I also agree that a properly meshed spur with well-tightened and loctited screws should last a very long time no matter how hard you are running.

Finally, generally speaking, I would agree that any 18 motor should work. I think side exhaust is a must. However, you may have to move it forward or back and left or right to get the bell and spur to align and mesh properly. You may also need different motor mounts to get the right height and/or avoid bottoming out against the chassis with the bottom of the motor.
Old 04-30-2009, 03:30 PM
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Well the steel gear is only 33t and im about 99% sure the original is 35t but heres the link : http://www.rufaster.com/08033T.aspx It goes in place of the original spur for the original tranny. Im still going to hang onto my original tranny just in case im not satisfied with the direct drive. Also just in case i strip the direct's spur, ill still have the back-up original tranny. I had problems with the AAFH site too when i went there. I cant remember what page but i know one of them didnt want to load for me. Im glad you bring up the motor thing because thats one of my big issues. Its not so much an issue as it is a basic want but wouldnt all .18 motors run about the same rpm and speeds? What im wanting to do is get more out of the volcano's performance by getting a bigger motor. Obviously if i try to put to much more i will have to modify the chasis somehow but id like to avoid that. Ive been thinking of ordering the SH .18 but i dont want a small performance increase. I was thinking of more of a racing motor.
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Not all engines run the same speed, even if they are the same size. Porting, crank design, bearing ratings, push rod quality and other design parameters can make a big difference. Look at the following.

standard SH18 delivers 1HP at max 29,000 rpm [link=http://www.shengines.com/TECHDATA_PT18S01B.htm]http://www.shengines.com/TECHDATA_PT18S01B.htm[/link]
standard XTM18 delivers 1.3HP at max 32,000 rpm [link=http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146002.asp]http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146002.asp[/link]
pro SH18 delivers 1.7HP at max 34,000 rpm [link=http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146002.asp]http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/146002.asp[/link]

So from the standard SH to the Pro SH, you get 17% more top end rpm and a 70% increase in HP. Note, however, that nothe the XTM and the SH Pro are rear exhaust. It is difficult to find upgrade motors in a side exhaust configuration.

If you really want some fun (and are adventurous not to mention brave!) go to the nitro engine forum here in RCU and search for how to port a nitro engine. That is a good way to get more power with minimal investment (assuming you don't destroy your engine in the process!).
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ORIGINAL: Destruktiveone

Well Im not sure about everyone else but my spur gear stripped for a few reasons. First, I run my truck extremely hard, I dont give it any slack. lol Second Ive already run a little more than a gallon of nitro through it and from what i gather in this forum thats about all 1 gear usually lasts. Third, also the biggest reason, I lost control of it the last time i ran it, (by lost control i mean lost radio signal) and it wound up flying down the road and into a neighbors house a block away and getting hung up on a beam that holds his garage up. It sat there at full throttle trying to climb a beam for about 20-30 seconds before i got to it. Oh well, that happens i guess. I appreciate all the help tho! Ive ordered a direct drive setup from rufaster and i also ordered a steel spur gear replacement just in case i strip the direct drives gear. =/ (Crosses fingers) Heres a pic of the plastic gear that came factory in my Volcano:

you should get a fail safe, and it will never run away from you again if it looses signal.
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Yeah i was planning on getting a failsafe. When i stripped the spur gear it happened on my 3rd day of running it, So i havent really had alot of time to get everything really set up right. I definatly need to invest in one tho.. lol Thanks for the reminder!

EDIT: I also looked on the nitro engine section and couldnt find anything on porting the engine.. =/ i didnt look at anything past the 3rd page tho so maybe its an older topic. Anybody know of any good tutorials for this then by all means please let me know! Thanks
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[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=5226191]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=5226191[/link]
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2061833]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2061833[/link]

check those out
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ORIGINAL: bkfamily1

[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=5226191]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=5226191[/link]
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2061833]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=2061833[/link]

check those out
I whole heartedly, 100% agree with the people on that post, that it SHOULD be stickied! That is some very important information for anybody that is moderatly capable of following directions! lol Thank you very much for taking the time to find those for me BK, You have definatly inspired me to hang around these forums for a while and try to offer help after i learn a few things myself. I dont believe ive been to a forum yet where the people are as friendly as they are here! Many up's to you my friend, for you are the one who has helped me most! (No offence to anybody who took that the wrong way! Everybody contributed to my question, and for that i am grateful!)
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Here's the link for the single gear transmission.

[link=http://allaboutfunhobbies.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_19_74/products_id/149]http://allaboutfunhobbies.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_19_74/products_id/149[/link]

I didn't read the whole thread so someone may have mentioned this, but that steel spur gears break easly. They are very brittle. Also any steel spur gear give you a chance to realy mess up some other drive train parts if a small stone or a stick or something gets stuck up in between the spur and clutch bell. Get rid of that over engineered transmission and get the single gear either from us or from Ed at Himoto racing, either way your getting the same thing. Oh and I pmed you back about the engines.
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Ya i actually got the steel spur gear to put into a truck i was gonna sell, and i meshed it right and everything, but i broke a couple teeth off. The mesh might have moved a bit, not sure, but i remeshed, and then just decided to run it. Then im running and it starts makin tons of noise, which was it breaking, so i just decided to keep going because it was gonna break anyways. So it quits moving cause i broke the teeth off, so i pick it up, and turns out that i broke EVERY SINGLE TOOTH OFF BOTH THE SPUR, AND THE CLUTCH BELL haha. I would not recommend the steel one, the plastic one works great. Ive had gallons through the plastic one and have had no problems.

Thats weird ive had no problems what so ever with the allaboutfunhobbies site.

The sh engine is deffinitely better than the vx, it has more power and is super reliable.
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yes, running a plastic spur gear is the "weak link" if it ever breaks. running a steel spur will damage the clutchbell and possibly other gears in the transmission if something goes wrong. i'm not saying not to run a steel spur gear, it's just that i woudl rather run plastic because if somethign goes wrong, more than likely only the spur gear will suffer the damage.
by running a plastic spur, if it's going to break, only the spur gear will break (normally).
in my opinion anyway.
i have a steel spur gear for the stock volcano transmission, but i will never use it.
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Default RE: Volcano SV Direct Drive Help...

Well also what is the clutchbell or spur didnt break? Other things will like the diffs.
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Well i ordered the direct drive setup and i also ordered the steel spur gear. I figure as long as i stick to the direct drive i should be fine. My only problem would be to find a replacement spur incase i strip the one on the direct drive. I also intend to keep the old tranny with a steel spur gear on it so that if i DO strip the direct drive, Ill still be able to drive the truck until i get the new direct gear.
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yeah i see what you're saying. since the direct drive only has to gears (the spur and the clutchbell) it will be steel on steel and no plastic gears what so ever.
the thing is, things will break eventually...it's not if, it's when.
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If anyone wants to get the single gear upgrade and dont mind getting it from Hong Kong, Rc Partner will do it; I couldnt find it, but it is displayed as part number 02126 as opposed to 05126 above, which seems to be the correct part number.

Have ordered one to see the difference, am interested to know why they chose to run gear reduction in it in the first place when it has a slipper too, and people think this increases performance?! There are more parts in the gear reduction tranny, so it doesnt make sense cost wise for them unless the truck has a problem with the power of using just the direct drive tranny upgrade, any views? I have never had any problems with the spurs on mine, i just feel the truck is underpowered, and revs up without achieving the speed it should. I have the slipper quite tight, which still doesnt seem to make much difference, almost as if power is slipping or being lost somewhere, must be in the middle gearbox as everything else is fine. There are no one way bearings in the gear reduction 'box so cant be that, all output cups are loctited onto shafts....weird. Hope this helps. Aside from that the truck is a good budget truck once the stock servos etc have been taken out. Mine is the Amax Thwarter. Exactly the same truck.

Anyone know if this "revving out" before reaching a good speed is due to the gear reduction....it just doesnt go as fast as it should despite a good tune and the sh.18 (+ tuned pipe) ?
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Could be the clutch shoes in the clutch bell/pinion are worn out? Or it could just be running out of gear? Did the performance drop or was it always slower than you expected?

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