Warbird Champioship Event
09-13-2015, 05:36 PM
#451
Okay, "Air Raptor" is Jeff Robinson. Looking forward to meeting you, sir. Is this the same Jeff Robinson that works for Aerojet? Would love to know.
Changing props... I once put a Sundowner 50 on floats and it was the 2nd coolest thing I ever flew (the first is a clandestine persuasion).
Changing props again.. ran in to Gerald Meux in Hesperia yesterday and he is planning on attending albeit maybe not flying. I told him to reconsider.
Life is short...fly while you can!!!
Changing props... I once put a Sundowner 50 on floats and it was the 2nd coolest thing I ever flew (the first is a clandestine persuasion).
Changing props again.. ran in to Gerald Meux in Hesperia yesterday and he is planning on attending albeit maybe not flying. I told him to reconsider.
Life is short...fly while you can!!!
09-21-2015, 02:20 PM
#455
decided to get this up today so those coming to the Trashman/Ys race can prefill them out and hand them in to me to reserve your spot for the champ race in Nov.
AMA#_______________ RACE CLASS_________________ Radio_________________
ENTRANT/OWNER______________________________
PILOT___________________________TEAM______________ _________________________
SPONSORS__________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___
ADDRESS________________________________________CIT Y________________________ STATE__________ ZIP___________
PHONE________________________________E-MAIL_______________________________
PRIMARY AIRCRAFT
TYPE____________________________ENGINETYPE________ _____
BACK-UP AIRCRAFT
TYPE____________________________ ENGINETYPE_____________
AllPayments Must be Received By OCT 30[SUP]TH[/SUP] 2015 to Avoid Late Fee Charges of $10.00 perEntry
09-29-2015, 12:11 PM
#456
Well we made it through the Trashman/YS race. What a great job they did.
While there a guy asked me a question which I will answer here for every ones info:
"Does a pilot have to enter the race in order to be able to do the speed dash?"
This is a great question.
The answer is Yes
Your speed dash plane must be either your primary race plane or back up plane.
The speed dash is for us racers and bragging rights to who has the fastest race plane, not the fastest speed plane.
2 planes are allowed per class.
One of these must be your speed dash entry.
While there a guy asked me a question which I will answer here for every ones info:
"Does a pilot have to enter the race in order to be able to do the speed dash?"
This is a great question.
The answer is Yes
Your speed dash plane must be either your primary race plane or back up plane.
The speed dash is for us racers and bragging rights to who has the fastest race plane, not the fastest speed plane.
2 planes are allowed per class.
One of these must be your speed dash entry.
09-29-2015, 12:37 PM
#457
Update Pilot entry List:
Warbird ChampionshipRace Pilot Entry List
Bronze
Jeff Robinson
Bert Mitchell
Eric Jaggi
Kimo Dias
Silver
Jeff Robinson
Ollie Merrill
Rusty Van Baren
Gerald Meux
Dean Childs
Kimo Dias
Rick Culver
Gold
Gerald Meux
Jeff Robinson
Marty Flood
David Lloyd
Doug Killebrew
Dave Sullivan
Tim Foster
Richard Verano
Tom Richardi
Joel Gooch
Shawn Berkheimer
Bronze
Jeff Robinson
Bert Mitchell
Eric Jaggi
Kimo Dias
Silver
Jeff Robinson
Ollie Merrill
Rusty Van Baren
Gerald Meux
Dean Childs
Kimo Dias
Rick Culver
Gold
Gerald Meux
Jeff Robinson
Marty Flood
David Lloyd
Doug Killebrew
Dave Sullivan
Tim Foster
Richard Verano
Tom Richardi
Joel Gooch
Shawn Berkheimer
Last edited by MFLOOD3800; 10-02-2015 at 03:17 PM.
09-29-2015, 12:59 PM
#458
Looking forward to the next RCPRO Race in Phoenix, AZ on Oct 17.
Pre-registration is required. Contact Jerry at [email protected] to register
This is an important Race so please come out and support this event.
Pre-registration is required. Contact Jerry at [email protected] to register
This is an important Race so please come out and support this event.
10-05-2015, 06:40 PM
#460
I am hoping to get 3 rounds in on Sat and 2 on Sun morning. Then break for lunch and run trophy races after that. If we can get these rounds in then I will consider allowing a throw away round using your 4 best rounds to determine who makes the gold trophy race on Sun afternoon. This decision will occur prior to the event starting. Once we are running we wont make any changes to the venue.
Last edited by MFLOOD3800; 10-05-2015 at 07:36 PM.
10-06-2015, 03:43 PM
#461
here is the hotel info sheet. Bryan at the Fresno is looking to secure a block of rooms at one of the hotels for a discounted price. If he is able I will post that info here and on the FB page as well
Here is a list of hotels near Highway 41 and Herndon. Approximately10 minutes from the field.
Hampton Inn & Suites
327 E. Fir Avenue
Fresno, CA 93720
(559) 447-5900
La Quinta Inn& Suites
330 E Fir Ave
Fresno, CA 93720
(559) 449-0928
Comfort Suites
102 East Herndon Ave
Fresno, CA 93720
(559) 435-5650
Here is a list of hotels near Highway 41 and Herndon. Approximately10 minutes from the field.
Hampton Inn & Suites
327 E. Fir Avenue
Fresno, CA 93720
(559) 447-5900
La Quinta Inn& Suites
330 E Fir Ave
Fresno, CA 93720
(559) 449-0928
Comfort Suites
102 East Herndon Ave
Fresno, CA 93720
(559) 435-5650
10-08-2015, 08:57 AM
#462
It was pointed out to me that in the rules there are "no throw away rounds" So this year we will stick with that. After this race we will monitor the rules and make any necessary or desired changes for next years race. We are too close to the race date for this year so we will stick with what is in place - sorry for the confusion. Remember we are trying to merge 3 race entities into one here so some things might be different than what you are used to. Even some planes might be on your "black list" but are allowed here. We are here in the interest of merging 3 groups together - don't let that train of thought escape you please.
10-08-2015, 06:20 PM
#463
OK Marty,
You opened the can of worms, so here goes.
What do you mean by planes being on a black list?
Are they reasonable representations of Warbirds and/or Reno Unlimited racers, or aren't they?
I know this is your baby, and I will attend and participate unless I get myself in too deep here and make you 86 me.
Are the rules going to be "bent" to garner more participation?
If so, then when does it stop?
The participants should be willing to play by the rules if they want to play, no?
I'm not talking about counting rivets and sizes of air scoops.
I'm merely suggesting that the planes don't need to be deviating from scale lines all that far to be competitive in this type of racing.
You opened the can of worms, so here goes.
What do you mean by planes being on a black list?
Are they reasonable representations of Warbirds and/or Reno Unlimited racers, or aren't they?
I know this is your baby, and I will attend and participate unless I get myself in too deep here and make you 86 me.
Are the rules going to be "bent" to garner more participation?
If so, then when does it stop?
The participants should be willing to play by the rules if they want to play, no?
I'm not talking about counting rivets and sizes of air scoops.
I'm merely suggesting that the planes don't need to be deviating from scale lines all that far to be competitive in this type of racing.
10-08-2015, 06:24 PM
#464
It was pointed out to me that in the rules there are "no throw away rounds" So this year we will stick with that. After this race we will monitor the rules and make any necessary or desired changes for next years race. We are too close to the race date for this year so we will stick with what is in place - sorry for the confusion. Remember we are trying to merge 3 race entities into one here so some things might be different than what you are used to. Even some planes might be on your "black list" but are allowed here. We are here in the interest of merging 3 groups together - don't let that train of thought escape you please.
I can't speak for other pilots, but earning the championship would feel a little hollow if I won it based on a significant mistake being overlooked due to a "throw-away" round. In my opinion, a true champion will "bring it" the MOST consistently throughout the ENTIRE contest.
Just my opinion. (I'm sure it will come back to "bite me" in some way.)
Last edited by Iron Dog; 10-08-2015 at 06:27 PM.
10-09-2015, 09:21 AM
#465
Tom,
I understand your concern on scale outlines. I also hope you understand my position and intent of the race. It is with hopes to merge 3 different venues of warbird racing. Sams, RCPRO and Triangle Series. With that in mind, I am allowing what was legal in their venues so they can come race. I have already omitted the electrics in RCPRO and hurt plenty of feelings there. Many in RCPRO are still using the Phx Strega not allowed in Sams. But to be able to be fair to this merging group, I'm allowing these planes. I'm not "bending" any rules. I am creating an event that allows all 3 clubs to use the majority of the planes they already allow. Its that simple. I wont 86 you, but I will defend my position without change as the "Intent" is and always has been to merge the 3 groups with what they have.
I understand your concern on scale outlines. I also hope you understand my position and intent of the race. It is with hopes to merge 3 different venues of warbird racing. Sams, RCPRO and Triangle Series. With that in mind, I am allowing what was legal in their venues so they can come race. I have already omitted the electrics in RCPRO and hurt plenty of feelings there. Many in RCPRO are still using the Phx Strega not allowed in Sams. But to be able to be fair to this merging group, I'm allowing these planes. I'm not "bending" any rules. I am creating an event that allows all 3 clubs to use the majority of the planes they already allow. Its that simple. I wont 86 you, but I will defend my position without change as the "Intent" is and always has been to merge the 3 groups with what they have.
10-09-2015, 09:41 AM
#466
The major Pylon championships all allow for throw away rounds. The reason is more based un uncontrollable issues than mistakes a pilot make. Like weather, times due to temp changes etc...
In order to do this we would need lots of rounds. For every 5 or 6 rounds a throw away is in order. Where we are concerned, it would be a tough call.
So I agree with your ideas, but also agree with the need for a throw away when justified. The difference with this racing we do is the Break Out. So fast times aren't really an issue with us.
In order to do this we would need lots of rounds. For every 5 or 6 rounds a throw away is in order. Where we are concerned, it would be a tough call.
So I agree with your ideas, but also agree with the need for a throw away when justified. The difference with this racing we do is the Break Out. So fast times aren't really an issue with us.
10-09-2015, 12:18 PM
#467
My understanding is that there really should be no " Blacklist " If the airplane design has been approved for any of the race organizations that currently run a warbird series then it's going to be approved for Marty's race.
The throw away round I feel has merit. As Ollie said we want to win knowing that we beat the next guy while he is at his best. Having an unfoseeable issue is not when someone is at his best. Yes having your equipment maintained is part of the game but I cherish a win I had to fight for much more then one that was given tO me. IMAC has a throw away round and it has always worked well.
The throw away round I feel has merit. As Ollie said we want to win knowing that we beat the next guy while he is at his best. Having an unfoseeable issue is not when someone is at his best. Yes having your equipment maintained is part of the game but I cherish a win I had to fight for much more then one that was given tO me. IMAC has a throw away round and it has always worked well.
10-09-2015, 01:02 PM
#469
Bert, As stated above it is "Major Pylon Championships". Like in Czech rep this year for F3d they had numerous throw aways. The USRA , when time allows, will allow throw aways. It is more for championship type races which Is why I considered it. How ever, with us not having a B/O and only probably getting 4-5 rounds, it wouldn't be needed.
10-09-2015, 02:05 PM
#471
Racers I have some info on rooms and rates
Im working on rooms so far this is what they are offering
LaQuinta - $124.00
Comfort Suites $129.00
Hampton - $159.00
... Im still trying to get in tough with sales managers to block some rooms and get better pricing, but they are illusive an no where to be found as of yet.
I encourage everyone to bring an RV and stay at the field smile emoticon
Im working on rooms so far this is what they are offering
LaQuinta - $124.00
Comfort Suites $129.00
Hampton - $159.00
... Im still trying to get in tough with sales managers to block some rooms and get better pricing, but they are illusive an no where to be found as of yet.
I encourage everyone to bring an RV and stay at the field smile emoticon
