What is considered SCALE
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The problem with that is that who is to say the scale 3 view is accurate. I can change the 3 view to any shape I want. We don't want to implement that because we want guys to show up and race. Most races we have guys driving more than two hours away. How would you feel if you drove say 6 hours for a race only to find out on race day your not allowed to race. The over all goal is to promote this and not set it back. In the old days of Q40 they used to judge the planes and some even had a 3 view or patterns for the planes. when a guys plane didn't fit they would protest and say the pattern wasn't correct.
Now I like scale airplanes also but most of the time I don't have the time to put in them. My definition of scale could be that if the real plane had flaps then a race plane should have them too. Now what I don't do is voice my opinion about it.
Remember this is a hobby and we all like different things if we didn't then we would all be racing the same plane. Heck I want to race a twin one day also but just don't have the time.
The main thing is what we have now has been working and IS WORKING well so why change that and kill it.
Now I think what would be cool also is if we had a scale contest with a racing as a separate event from the SAMS series. have a race in march before SAMS.
Now I like scale airplanes also but most of the time I don't have the time to put in them. My definition of scale could be that if the real plane had flaps then a race plane should have them too. Now what I don't do is voice my opinion about it.
Remember this is a hobby and we all like different things if we didn't then we would all be racing the same plane. Heck I want to race a twin one day also but just don't have the time.
The main thing is what we have now has been working and IS WORKING well so why change that and kill it.
Now I think what would be cool also is if we had a scale contest with a racing as a separate event from the SAMS series. have a race in march before SAMS.
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The problem with that is that who is to say the scale 3 view is accurate. I can change the 3 view to any shape I want. We don't want to implement that because we want guys to show up and race. Most races we have guys driving more than two hours away. How would you feel if you drove say 6 hours for a race only to find out on race day your not allowed to race. The over all goal is to promote this and not set it back. In the old days of Q40 they used to judge the planes and some even had a 3 view or patterns for the planes. when a guys plane didn't fit they would protest and say the pattern wasn't correct.
Now I like scale airplanes also but most of the time I don't have the time to put in them. My definition of scale could be that if the real plane had flaps then a race plane should have them too. Now what I don't do is voice my opinion about it.
Remember this is a hobby and we all like different things if we didn't then we would all be racing the same plane. Heck I want to race a twin one day also but just don't have the time.
The main thing is what we have now has been working and IS WORKING well so why change that and kill it.
Now I think what would be cool also is if we had a scale contest with a racing as a separate event from the SAMS series. have a race in march before SAMS.
Now I like scale airplanes also but most of the time I don't have the time to put in them. My definition of scale could be that if the real plane had flaps then a race plane should have them too. Now what I don't do is voice my opinion about it.
Remember this is a hobby and we all like different things if we didn't then we would all be racing the same plane. Heck I want to race a twin one day also but just don't have the time.
The main thing is what we have now has been working and IS WORKING well so why change that and kill it.
Now I think what would be cool also is if we had a scale contest with a racing as a separate event from the SAMS series. have a race in march before SAMS.
Why don't we consider implementing some additional incentive like a few bonus points for some extra work involved in making it more scale for those guys that wish?
Its not something difficult, just something to think about.
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The the problem with that is everyone who races does so because they are of a competitive personality. We would all want that points advantage so tow things would happen. One, most guys would start implementing the scale details. Then the gripes would start about judging, favoritism and all that can of worms. The rest of the guys would decide that the either didn't have the additional time to invest in their airplanes or decide they didn't want to invest the additional time and quit. IMO going forward with pushing more scale airplanes is going to drive guys away.
Here is is my solution. If you want to build airplanes with a more realistic outline and add more details to satisfy your personal,preferences then by all means please do so. I like a scale airplane just as much as the next guy. The guys who have taken a liberty here and there for the sake of ease of construction or whatever the reason are not at any advantage. The breakout keeps the playing field level. I can't speak for anyone else but My Macchi was developed with the Unlimited Triangle series in mind and was designed to be competitive in a non breakout series. There was some complaints about my lack of a belly scoop so I put one on, if the SAMs series officials ask me to change my wing platform I will happily do so but I am NOT going to scrap my current tooling to satisfy a couple guys which of them only one actually races in the series.
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I know not where one may draw the proverbial line. Is it dimensions that are the only criteria or do the criterion extend to materials of construction? I, for one, have yet to have seen a full-scale aircraft constructed on balsa, CA, and/or monocote. Never seen a full-scale aircraft powered with glow fuel or LiPo batteries either. Clearly, beyond the scope of this article. To that end, I just want to fly something that approximates anything propeller-driven circa WW-II, not run out of beer, and share some laughs and camaraderie.
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Yes that is a good point and same here I want to fly something close and go race. Some may want to have flaps, gear doors, oleo struts and all and that is fine. Some just want a pink mustang, wire struts, no retracts, no flaps and no dual rates and just want to race. That is where these rules in place now shine and is growing the racing venue!
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As a guy sitting in Texas and going to the Nat's in 2016 and looking for an additional Pylon event to run I was thinking War Bird may be it. Now I'm not so sure. Looking at some of the planes posted on different places calling some of these semi scale, stand off scale, somewhat scale, kind of like scale, is a stretch. One event I will run is EF 1 and I think some of the guys who brought this event forward Danny Kane, Jerry Small, etc. did a good job about what is legal and what is not. Looks like for a national event a little work is in order.
Jerry Stafford
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As a guy sitting in Texas and going to the Nat's in 2016 and looking for an additional Pylon event to run I was thinking War Bird may be it. Now I'm not so sure. Looking at some of the planes posted on different places calling some of these semi scale, stand off scale, somewhat scale, kind of like scale, is a stretch. One event I will run is EF 1 and I think some of the guys who brought this event forward Danny Kane, Jerry Small, etc. did a good job about what is legal and what is not. Looks like for a national event a little work is in order.
Jerry Stafford
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Or is this a misunderstanding of your post.
In any event, I will try to encourage you to go ahead and give the warbird racing event a try.
A properly reinforced world models mustang 46 or the new world models racing spitfire with a YS 115ws on 60% nitro can be just as competitive as any of the "optimized" planes you will go up against. Your racing against the clock to stay within the breakout time more than you're racing against the other pilots and planes.
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As a guy sitting in Texas and going to the Nat's in 2016 and looking for an additional Pylon event to run I was thinking War Bird may be it. Now I'm not so sure. Looking at some of the planes posted on different places calling some of these semi scale, stand off scale, somewhat scale, kind of like scale, is a stretch. One event I will run is EF 1 and I think some of the guys who brought this event forward Danny Kane, Jerry Small, etc. did a good job about what is legal and what is not. Looks like for a national event a little work is in order.
Jerry Stafford
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Jerry, the warbird rules are just as defined as the EF1. The big difference is the EF1 rules have a list of approved airplanes while we give participants the option of designing and scratch building their own. IMO the EF1 airplanes are no closer to scale outline then most of our warbirds. Putting strict outline requirements would only reduce the number of participants and being that this is a new NATs event that would be the last thing we would want to do. Not to mention that there has not been a single scale racing event that required more then to meet minimum dimensional requirements. That includes F1, QM, Q40, unlimited, GT80 and EF1.
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Yes, you have my point. Club 40, EF 1, AMA 424,426,422 you know whats a legal airplane and whats not. I'm a pylon CD in the DFW area and I can tell you what you already know, perception is 99.9% of an event. Just putting in my 2 cents worth as an outsider. Other than approved air frames I like ever thing else about this event. Yes I think you are correct for a new guy just buy a WM Spitfire and hang you engine of choice and go have some fun.
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Yes, you have my point. Club 40, EF 1, AMA 424,426,422 you know whats a legal airplane and whats not. I'm a pylon CD in the DFW area and I can tell you what you already know, perception is 99.9% of an event. Just putting in my 2 cents worth as an outsider. Other than approved air frames I like ever thing else about this event. Yes I think you are correct for a new guy just buy a WM Spitfire and hang you engine of choice and go have some fun.
Jerry
Jerry
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your input on this.
I only hope the CD's and event organizers in my region are paying attention.
So, just a recap,
"The only models qualified to be entered in a SAM Warbird event must be scale* models replicating heavier than air, fixed wing, piston engine powered, man carrying, fighter or fighter-bomber aircraft that were in production (or prototype aircraft intended for production that were flight tested) after January 1, 1937, or scale models of non-military aircraft that have raced in the unlimited category of the Reno Air Races.
*scale – models that do not approximately resemble the scale outlines of their full scale counterpart are not permitted.
I suppose the only wrinkle that needs to be ironed out is the definition of the words "approximately resemble" so as to prevent things from getting "stretched too far" as can obviously so easily happen. Yes, pun intended.
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I think the third post from MFlood on this thread nailed it. You guys have put all the effort and time into this event form a committee of the "elders" and come up with a list of ARF's and Kits that are legal. I would hate to have anyone invest $700.00 / $900.00 dollars in a set up and in most cases x 2 to show up and have a problem. I think I have 4 ARF and 5 or 6 Kit EF 1's, 5-6 Q 500, and 3 Club 40's and I know they are all legal, no questions, and no interpretations needed. Look guys I'm dumber than a box of rocks on this class so I'll leave this discussion here. If someone can hook me up with someone to email and discuss equipment, etc. I would appreciate it.
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I think the third post from MFlood on this thread nailed it. You guys have put all the effort and time into this event form a committee of the "elders" and come up with a list of ARF's and Kits that are legal. I would hate to have anyone invest $700.00 / $900.00 dollars in a set up and in most cases x 2 to show up and have a problem. I think I have 4 ARF and 5 or 6 Kit EF 1's, 5-6 Q 500, and 3 Club 40's and I know they are all legal, no questions, and no interpretations needed. Look guys I'm dumber than a box of rocks on this class so I'll leave this discussion here. If someone can hook me up with someone to email and discuss equipment, etc. I would appreciate it.
Jerry
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The problem with limiting the legal planes to only a few kits and arf's is that this drastically reduces the number of potential great historic planes that could be raced.
We have many local builders in the Sacramento area that are custom building planes just for this race series. Most of them are properly concerned with the outline and planform and are building for the intent of complying with the spirit of the rules.
As has been suggested before, the use of three views and templates could easily be implemented and this process could be easily and quickly completed either at registration or tech inspection.
And tho I'm not "the" guy, you are welcome to contact me with any questions you may have.
And racewizard, thanks for chiming in.
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There would be no "limit on ARF's or Kit's" they just have to be "approved". I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the ordeals that EF 1 went through are much more complex than this class. Testing motors, power systems, approving ARF's and Kit's, etc. but If you look now there are motor choices, AFR choices, numerous kits on the market. Average Joe has a large choice of planes and power systems he knows are legal and competitive. I think for a national event or class this has to be done. I would suggest talking to D. Kane and others about taking this to a national level. In the mean time I've got a couple of months to consider this so I will wait and see what shakes out. Thanks and I truly wish you guys the best of luck I do know how much work goes into this stuff for a short time of fun.
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I think the third post from MFlood on this thread nailed it. You guys have put all the effort and time into this event form a committee of the "elders" and come up with a list of ARF's and Kits that are legal. I would hate to have anyone invest $700.00 / $900.00 dollars in a set up and in most cases x 2 to show up and have a problem. I think I have 4 ARF and 5 or 6 Kit EF 1's, 5-6 Q 500, and 3 Club 40's and I know they are all legal, no questions, and no interpretations needed. Look guys I'm dumber than a box of rocks on this class so I'll leave this discussion here. If someone can hook me up with someone to email and discuss equipment, etc. I would appreciate it.
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Jerry this is exactly what the current rules eliminate. As the rule is written if you show up with an airplane that most guys would recognize as a WW2 fighter you would be fine. We have had virtually no issues with the rules in this respect. Tommy is a friend of mine but IMO he is trying to create an issue that does not exist and this thread is more opinion based then fact. Of the 30 or so regular guys that participate in this series Tommy is the only guy complaining about scale fidelity. Having 3 views and templates is just a bad idea. For one who is going to make the ruling? Hmmmm the same guy who does it now. He would have to spend countless hours making these templates and the result would be if he rules an airplane illegal? A huge argument and a participant that would most likely not return. We already struggle to get the 4 heats of racing in before the sun becomes an issue at the SAMs field so if we are verifying scale outlines how much less time do we have for racing. Should we tell the guys that come in from Utah and Nevada that because we have to verify scale outlines we now only have time for 3 rounds?
bottom line is why mess with a successful format because one guy thinks we have strayed from the " Spirit " of the event? IMO the spirit of the event is to race and have fun with a bunch of your friends.
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Minimum wing area, wing thickness, fuse height, fuse width, etc. is to make every one feel like they are competitive. Your wing area to displacement formula looks well thought out, I assume by trail and error and pass experience. Do I want to run against a guy setting in his garage with more time than I've got to build a one off with supper thin wings, and fuse, etc. ?? May be I'm just missing the break out time thing or something. Do you just make sure you have a plane than can run faster than the class ( bronze, silver, gold break out time ) and just try and run as close as possible to this time?? May be some one can do a write up on the strategy for War Bird racing.
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Well Jerry we are competitive beings and as such most of us do what is needed to remain competitive. As a father of 5 with 3 teenage boys at home still and still 15 years from retirement my time is limited. Especially when you consider that I also fly soaring contests, IMAC and pattern. Without a very understanding wife that is also my caller in these events it would not be possible. With all that said I design and build my own airplanes, it gives me no real advantage due to the breakout and I think in some respects it has hurt me. There have been heats where I didn't think I was running too fast but ended up breaking out. The breakout really does level the playing field and truth be known 90% of the guys doing custom airplanes are running gold class. Again IMO this subject only has to do with one or two guys in the smallest class we run.
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With regard to the last few posts,
Just because I'm the only one you see posting this opinion, does not mean I'm the "only" one that recognizes the problem.
I'm just willing to point out the elephant in the room.
I think the fact that Jerry has voiced his concerns as he has, is a good indicator that there are some clarifications and enforcement needed.
And Jerry,
Yes you have nailed the primary objective of our warbird racing. Once you build a plane and get it tweaked to your liking. You must then learn the correct nitro and prop to use for a given race day. Might even have to change prop and/or nitro as the day progresses. If your particular setup is capable of ludicrous speed, then you don't have to nail the start at zero on the clock. This lets you size up the competition as your flying the race. Hopefully you know which guys are known for "flying the time" and you can pace off them to them make a judgement call on the last two laps or so as to whether or not to let your fangs come out. Or if your plane is just capable of the breakout under optimal circumstances, you may want to run closer to the zero on the start and hang tight on the pylons for the whole race.
I have heard many say that we aren't really "racing".
I can't disagree more. We have to know our planes and how best to make them run the numbers, and when you have a group of guys that are all equally capable with all their planes running right, well, I defy anyone that has actually been involved in a tight 4 plane heat to deny that they were in a "race".
Also, here is an old video from a few year ago that kind of gives an idea of how a gold race can go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5YQv4dgnSU
Just because I'm the only one you see posting this opinion, does not mean I'm the "only" one that recognizes the problem.
I'm just willing to point out the elephant in the room.
I think the fact that Jerry has voiced his concerns as he has, is a good indicator that there are some clarifications and enforcement needed.
And Jerry,
Yes you have nailed the primary objective of our warbird racing. Once you build a plane and get it tweaked to your liking. You must then learn the correct nitro and prop to use for a given race day. Might even have to change prop and/or nitro as the day progresses. If your particular setup is capable of ludicrous speed, then you don't have to nail the start at zero on the clock. This lets you size up the competition as your flying the race. Hopefully you know which guys are known for "flying the time" and you can pace off them to them make a judgement call on the last two laps or so as to whether or not to let your fangs come out. Or if your plane is just capable of the breakout under optimal circumstances, you may want to run closer to the zero on the start and hang tight on the pylons for the whole race.
I have heard many say that we aren't really "racing".
I can't disagree more. We have to know our planes and how best to make them run the numbers, and when you have a group of guys that are all equally capable with all their planes running right, well, I defy anyone that has actually been involved in a tight 4 plane heat to deny that they were in a "race".
Also, here is an old video from a few year ago that kind of gives an idea of how a gold race can go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5YQv4dgnSU
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Jerry,
I won't comment on the "scale" thing again since it has already been discussed, resolved and we have moved on. The reason I am posting is to clarify your interest in the 2016 Warbird Nats.
I will be the CD and Promoter. The rules I have submitted are in the hands of the NMPRA and should soon be approved. Once that happens I will bring them public here on RCU under the name of warbird nats 2016. I also have a FB post i will use titled warbird nats. I am asking anyone planning on designing and racing a plane of their own to call me and get the 3 views approved prior to the time spent. We certainly encourage racers to be racers but we dont want Q40 type planes in our event. I have assembled a team of qualified pilots to help get all of this going. Both from RCPRO and the Sams group. I have already had several phone calls about this race. i have told the builders to send me their 3views first and then build it as the plans that were submitted. I will then review these at the race to ensure they built these planes to the plans they submitted. Because this is National event, we will take the time to ensure this happens. No templates, no jigs, just a proper review to ensure they are what they first submitted. The "spirit" of what we will do at the 2016 Nats is to race, not build detailed scale planes. Yes we want to be able to look at the plane and go, "yes that is Macchi, or a Vendetta". The main criteria will be the engines size to wing area specs that must be adhered to. It is that simple and perhaps why it also as successful as it is. I hope you will consider racing with us, especially since you will already be there for EF1. Like Tommy said, this is real racing, even with the B/O limits. It brings more discipline to the event and definitely more strategy. I suspect with the summer temps and humidity in Muncie we will see most guys racing wide open any way. Feel free to email me or contact me with any questions you might have.
I won't comment on the "scale" thing again since it has already been discussed, resolved and we have moved on. The reason I am posting is to clarify your interest in the 2016 Warbird Nats.
I will be the CD and Promoter. The rules I have submitted are in the hands of the NMPRA and should soon be approved. Once that happens I will bring them public here on RCU under the name of warbird nats 2016. I also have a FB post i will use titled warbird nats. I am asking anyone planning on designing and racing a plane of their own to call me and get the 3 views approved prior to the time spent. We certainly encourage racers to be racers but we dont want Q40 type planes in our event. I have assembled a team of qualified pilots to help get all of this going. Both from RCPRO and the Sams group. I have already had several phone calls about this race. i have told the builders to send me their 3views first and then build it as the plans that were submitted. I will then review these at the race to ensure they built these planes to the plans they submitted. Because this is National event, we will take the time to ensure this happens. No templates, no jigs, just a proper review to ensure they are what they first submitted. The "spirit" of what we will do at the 2016 Nats is to race, not build detailed scale planes. Yes we want to be able to look at the plane and go, "yes that is Macchi, or a Vendetta". The main criteria will be the engines size to wing area specs that must be adhered to. It is that simple and perhaps why it also as successful as it is. I hope you will consider racing with us, especially since you will already be there for EF1. Like Tommy said, this is real racing, even with the B/O limits. It brings more discipline to the event and definitely more strategy. I suspect with the summer temps and humidity in Muncie we will see most guys racing wide open any way. Feel free to email me or contact me with any questions you might have.
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I'll just add that success with the series is what we all want. Keep in mind that just a few years ago the bronze class was all but dead. We were having 3 and 4 guys entering bronze. We opened up the class to allow the non scale World models T-34 hoping to get some guys from a different series. We didn't get those guys but we got a renewed interest in the class from the locals. It appears that this was because guys didn't want the complexity of an all out warbird for their entry into pylon. This should demonstrate that making the airplanes more complex and labor intensive will in fact lessen participation. Like Marty has said,the rules have been submitted and were a result of input from several groups. I don't really think there is more to say on this topic.
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What is scale is an opinion. Going the route that tommy wants to see will kill the pylon racing that we have now. The rules in place have been working and growing the sport of racing warbirds. If you want to build a plane that you think is scale go ahead. There will always be someone who thinks it isn't scale. Like Tommy's P40 he races. Its a Kyosho ARF. It doesn't have flaps, the ailerons are wrong and the tail moment is longer to make it fly better. I don't go an complain about it though except in this post. I don't care as my main goal to promote the hobby that I love and racing that I come to enjoy. Maybe we should take the word scale out of the rules. I will also say that if we took any of these planes to a real model airplane "scale" contest we would be laughed at.
These look a like warbirds are disposable in that midairs happen or you dumb thumb them in the ground. When add a "scale" criteria to the planes most will not take the time to build a "scale" plane only to chance it on a race. Today's modelers don't have the time like we used too and this is where the ARF's come in today. There are cheap and easy to fly. If you make something complex or make an event complex you will not have that many that will do the event. Back in the days they used to judge quarter midget planes and over time that has gone by also. they used to judge these warbirds also and that has gone to the wayside. In both of those events the sport has grown.
As I have also stated before I would like to see Tommy get his CD from the AMA and then run a "scale" warbird racing event but he doesn't want to. Also all that I have said he isn't to attack Tommy either but a discussion and it was resolved by the SAM's club and the CD for the NATS.
Jerry fill free to email me at [email protected] I would be glad to help you out with some world models ARF's or other kits out there. It would be great to see you racing at the NATS. I think you will like it and then can take back to texas and start warbird racing at your local clubs.
These look a like warbirds are disposable in that midairs happen or you dumb thumb them in the ground. When add a "scale" criteria to the planes most will not take the time to build a "scale" plane only to chance it on a race. Today's modelers don't have the time like we used too and this is where the ARF's come in today. There are cheap and easy to fly. If you make something complex or make an event complex you will not have that many that will do the event. Back in the days they used to judge quarter midget planes and over time that has gone by also. they used to judge these warbirds also and that has gone to the wayside. In both of those events the sport has grown.
As I have also stated before I would like to see Tommy get his CD from the AMA and then run a "scale" warbird racing event but he doesn't want to. Also all that I have said he isn't to attack Tommy either but a discussion and it was resolved by the SAM's club and the CD for the NATS.
Jerry fill free to email me at [email protected] I would be glad to help you out with some world models ARF's or other kits out there. It would be great to see you racing at the NATS. I think you will like it and then can take back to texas and start warbird racing at your local clubs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ugUm5dGkA
Here is a little newer video from 2014. In this race there was four planes but I didn't start as I didn't get my engine running. I forgot to flip my kill switch off. Anyway the green plane was one of the Shaw kids from Redding, the World models mustang was flown by Chip Hyde but it went in the dirt due to bad air, and the last pilot was a local here in sac James Smith with a kit built mustang.
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Jerry,
I won't comment on the "scale" thing again since it has already been discussed, resolved and we have moved on. The reason I am posting is to clarify your interest in the 2016 Warbird Nats.
I will be the CD and Promoter. The rules I have submitted are in the hands of the NMPRA and should soon be approved. Once that happens I will bring them public here on RCU under the name of warbird nats 2016. I also have a FB post i will use titled warbird nats. I am asking anyone planning on designing and racing a plane of their own to call me and get the 3 views approved prior to the time spent. We certainly encourage racers to be racers but we dont want Q40 type planes in our event. I have assembled a team of qualified pilots to help get all of this going. Both from RCPRO and the Sams group. I have already had several phone calls about this race. i have told the builders to send me their 3views first and then build it as the plans that were submitted. I will then review these at the race to ensure they built these planes to the plans they submitted. Because this is National event, we will take the time to ensure this happens. No templates, no jigs, just a proper review to ensure they are what they first submitted. The "spirit" of what we will do at the 2016 Nats is to race, not build detailed scale planes. Yes we want to be able to look at the plane and go, "yes that is Macchi, or a Vendetta". The main criteria will be the engines size to wing area specs that must be adhered to. It is that simple and perhaps why it also as successful as it is. I hope you will consider racing with us, especially since you will already be there for EF1. Like Tommy said, this is real racing, even with the B/O limits. It brings more discipline to the event and definitely more strategy. I suspect with the summer temps and humidity in Muncie we will see most guys racing wide open any way. Feel free to email me or contact me with any questions you might have.
I won't comment on the "scale" thing again since it has already been discussed, resolved and we have moved on. The reason I am posting is to clarify your interest in the 2016 Warbird Nats.
I will be the CD and Promoter. The rules I have submitted are in the hands of the NMPRA and should soon be approved. Once that happens I will bring them public here on RCU under the name of warbird nats 2016. I also have a FB post i will use titled warbird nats. I am asking anyone planning on designing and racing a plane of their own to call me and get the 3 views approved prior to the time spent. We certainly encourage racers to be racers but we dont want Q40 type planes in our event. I have assembled a team of qualified pilots to help get all of this going. Both from RCPRO and the Sams group. I have already had several phone calls about this race. i have told the builders to send me their 3views first and then build it as the plans that were submitted. I will then review these at the race to ensure they built these planes to the plans they submitted. Because this is National event, we will take the time to ensure this happens. No templates, no jigs, just a proper review to ensure they are what they first submitted. The "spirit" of what we will do at the 2016 Nats is to race, not build detailed scale planes. Yes we want to be able to look at the plane and go, "yes that is Macchi, or a Vendetta". The main criteria will be the engines size to wing area specs that must be adhered to. It is that simple and perhaps why it also as successful as it is. I hope you will consider racing with us, especially since you will already be there for EF1. Like Tommy said, this is real racing, even with the B/O limits. It brings more discipline to the event and definitely more strategy. I suspect with the summer temps and humidity in Muncie we will see most guys racing wide open any way. Feel free to email me or contact me with any questions you might have.
Tim