Bill Falck's Special "Rivets" large scale
10-20-2011, 02:27 PM
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RE: Bill Falck's Special
Nitro,
I do CAD drawings from small three views to any scale. I should say to any size wingspan. I'm currently drawing a 144.3" Claude at the moment.
The benefit is a full size drawing on paper, with a single clean line, that you can draw your build pieces on.
Charles
I do CAD drawings from small three views to any scale. I should say to any size wingspan. I'm currently drawing a 144.3" Claude at the moment.
The benefit is a full size drawing on paper, with a single clean line, that you can draw your build pieces on.
Charles
10-20-2011, 04:59 PM
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RE: Bill Falck's Special
Hi Charles,
Would you require the 3 views supplied? Also what kind of funding would this require? Everyone has been great with help and now have a couple different versions of 3 views to model from. A full size drawing would be awesome, well full size to model I am planning anyways.
Don't forget they would have to be posted to Australia once printed, thanks.
Would you require the 3 views supplied? Also what kind of funding would this require? Everyone has been great with help and now have a couple different versions of 3 views to model from. A full size drawing would be awesome, well full size to model I am planning anyways.
Don't forget they would have to be posted to Australia once printed, thanks.
10-20-2011, 05:06 PM
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RE: Bill Falck's Special
Bit if an update,
Was speaking with my fibreglassing mate today (fellow aeromodeller) about the project and some of the things we spoke about were if fibreglass would be the way to go, to which the logic was with a mould it can be easily reproduced and if successful may well be a worthy kit.
Other things were about gf/balsa/gf sandwhich fuse sides to give light wieght with extra strength and less fuse twist with the high G turns.
Due to running 50-55cc engines in a plane that would normally be designed around a 30cc then extra wieght of T-tail strengthening will not be a COG factor
It will be a bare fuse colour with no gelcoat as this way it is easy to see where the formers are going and the glue soakage in these areas.
We figure the wieght in primer will probably still be lighter than a gelcoat and since they will usually be done to custom colour schemes then there is no real need for gel coat. The downside to gelcoat also is there is still a seam line to deal with if you want to look scale.
Was speaking with my fibreglassing mate today (fellow aeromodeller) about the project and some of the things we spoke about were if fibreglass would be the way to go, to which the logic was with a mould it can be easily reproduced and if successful may well be a worthy kit.
Other things were about gf/balsa/gf sandwhich fuse sides to give light wieght with extra strength and less fuse twist with the high G turns.
Due to running 50-55cc engines in a plane that would normally be designed around a 30cc then extra wieght of T-tail strengthening will not be a COG factor
It will be a bare fuse colour with no gelcoat as this way it is easy to see where the formers are going and the glue soakage in these areas.
We figure the wieght in primer will probably still be lighter than a gelcoat and since they will usually be done to custom colour schemes then there is no real need for gel coat. The downside to gelcoat also is there is still a seam line to deal with if you want to look scale.
11-24-2011, 05:41 AM
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RE: Bill Falck's Special
So plans for the smaller version have finally arrived some 6 weeks after ordering and they aren't as good as I had hoped for scaling up, waiting on a reply about a full size CAD drawing which will be much better for dimensions. In the mean time will try and clear some other projects off the bench to make room.
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RE: Bill Falck's Special
So the full size CAD drawings have arrived and are nothing short of bloody fantastic.
I must give a big thanks to Charles from CFC Graphics for doing the drawings for me and for a great price considering how well detailed they are.
Bout time I started to clear the bench so I can get a start on it now.
I must give a big thanks to Charles from CFC Graphics for doing the drawings for me and for a great price considering how well detailed they are.
Bout time I started to clear the bench so I can get a start on it now.
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Hey, not as yet, been pretty busy with a lot of other stuff of late but it is soon back to the build bench, just gotta repair my TF GS P40 Reno racer after a mid air then it is back to the rivets.
To update so far I have a wing mostly done, it is foam core and I had a bloke cut in on a cnc foam cutter so the wing profiles and washout etc are spot on. The plug for the fuse is almost done and ready for glassing followed by the tedious task of making the mould. Cowl plug WAS ready for moulding but when I was making the parting board (to make it a 2 piece mould) I dropped it on the floor and made a couple extra hours work for myself. This was the point my self induced turrets kicked in and the plane went to the back of the bench for a time out. I am now ready to get back into it. See if I can't put up a link or couple of pics of the progress for you soon.
To update so far I have a wing mostly done, it is foam core and I had a bloke cut in on a cnc foam cutter so the wing profiles and washout etc are spot on. The plug for the fuse is almost done and ready for glassing followed by the tedious task of making the mould. Cowl plug WAS ready for moulding but when I was making the parting board (to make it a 2 piece mould) I dropped it on the floor and made a couple extra hours work for myself. This was the point my self induced turrets kicked in and the plane went to the back of the bench for a time out. I am now ready to get back into it. See if I can't put up a link or couple of pics of the progress for you soon.
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So here is pretty much where I'm up to, though like I said haven't done anything to it since about march so time to get my rear end into gear.
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are you guys still into the rivets .... if yes let me now , I have got some thing you may like ....
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are you guys still into the rivets .... if yes let me now , I have got some thing you may like ....
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Wow, I just realized your last post was in 2014...nice! I am new as of last weekend to this side of our hobby. I'm mainly in scale planes from 1/4 scale and up, and turbine jets. So back to the Rivets discussion.
I have in my possession the only one in the world to the best of the knowledge, I got it over the weekend. 42% scale Rivets built by Bill Mala in California. He also raced with this Rivets in various places.
Bill Mala made a plug in 1994, and out of that he made 2 - fiberglass fuses. The wings I am not sure yet, it's a monokote over the wings. The fuse is painted with automotive PPG paint. One of models crashed through the years since 1994 and I have the one and only. There are no servos excluding pair of old Futaba in Y configuration (lol but it worked), and the engine that is fitted now - unknown, chain saw conversion, Magneto, Walbro Carburator, probably 60cc and up, weighs a ton.
I consider this plane in excellent shape and could be back in the air in no time. If I keep it I will install : new DLE 55, or 60.
All new servos like 84 11's, or good spectrum servos, RX, battery, new wheels. If interested I am open to sell AS IS. Pictures will follow...
I have in my possession the only one in the world to the best of the knowledge, I got it over the weekend. 42% scale Rivets built by Bill Mala in California. He also raced with this Rivets in various places.
Bill Mala made a plug in 1994, and out of that he made 2 - fiberglass fuses. The wings I am not sure yet, it's a monokote over the wings. The fuse is painted with automotive PPG paint. One of models crashed through the years since 1994 and I have the one and only. There are no servos excluding pair of old Futaba in Y configuration (lol but it worked), and the engine that is fitted now - unknown, chain saw conversion, Magneto, Walbro Carburator, probably 60cc and up, weighs a ton.
I consider this plane in excellent shape and could be back in the air in no time. If I keep it I will install : new DLE 55, or 60.
All new servos like 84 11's, or good spectrum servos, RX, battery, new wheels. If interested I am open to sell AS IS. Pictures will follow...
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Ok, so what we have here.
wing span : 90 " . fuse : 81 " ( + - ) front to tail without spinner.
tail with : 23 "
wing : foam core one piece ,balsa sheeted , ( center glassed , rest monockote ).
fuse fiberglass .
wing span : 90 " . fuse : 81 " ( + - ) front to tail without spinner.
tail with : 23 "
wing : foam core one piece ,balsa sheeted , ( center glassed , rest monockote ).
fuse fiberglass .
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42% rivets.
ok , I am back . the beast is almost ready to fly. tomorrow engine startup , taxi , balance . maiden Saturday ?
1. replaced engine. used Brison 4.8 tween 78 cc .
2. new fuel tank and plumbing .
3. new jr 12ch x rx.
4. new 2 - elevator servos.
5.new 1 - rudder servo .
6. new tiers
7.new 14 x 8 apc racing prop . ( hope it works... engine spec calls for 24 x 10 prop.)
8. new servo for thro.
9.new linkage carb to servo.
10.new 6 volt nmh 2200 mah for rx.
11. new 4.8 volt 2000 mah for ignition.
1. replaced engine. used Brison 4.8 tween 78 cc .
2. new fuel tank and plumbing .
3. new jr 12ch x rx.
4. new 2 - elevator servos.
5.new 1 - rudder servo .
6. new tiers
7.new 14 x 8 apc racing prop . ( hope it works... engine spec calls for 24 x 10 prop.)
8. new servo for thro.
9.new linkage carb to servo.
10.new 6 volt nmh 2200 mah for rx.
11. new 4.8 volt 2000 mah for ignition.
11-23-2018, 08:14 AM
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love the Wiley Coyote pilot !. nice plane,....Rivets has always been my favorite pylon racer. I built a Rivets looking sport plane as my "second plane" when I reintroduced myself to R/C, after being away for 40 some years. it was an expansion to .60 size of a 1/2A racer called "Sumpin' Else". it took a little redrawing after the expansion because the fuselage turned out quite fat looking after being blown up, so I redrew it with a slimmer profile and it turned out real nice. I gave it a simple un-tapered Clark Y airfoil and mounted the wing shoulder height for a little more stability for my sake. all in all it is only sport plane that I built as an aileron trainer, but immediately identifiable as the "Rivets" pylon lane.