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Old 01-23-2010, 04:14 PM
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Default Pilatus PC9 1/3 scale

Hi everybody,
I would like to present you a project that I am doing with two friends of mine, which is a Pilatus PC9 1/3 scale. As we wants 3 planes, we decided to make a mold.
I'll tell you more about the construction that has already begun one and a half year ago. Today we begin gently to see the end of master of the fuselage ... and still is not finished yet.
Initially we took the plan of a guy that won french F4C competition years ago and we simply scaled up the plan by 2 ...
First step the plan :
We scanned it and here it is :

Once scanned and scaled up, I draw every formers.



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Very nice plane....will it be a gas engine or turboprop?
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:13 AM
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I wish it will be one day tubo prop, but it will be in a first time a gas engine.
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I have seen some construction photos of the plane... it is a very interesting build. Will you be making it in full fiberglass construction or just the fuselage will be in fiberglass and the wings in foam? Will it be available for sale too? Makes an interesting subject!

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Only the fuselage will be fiberglass, the wings will be in foam.
The deal between the builders is that we will not sell it. Sorry for that.
The fuselage will be in two parts. The rear part will stop just behind the cockpit.
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Pity! Nice plane

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Obviously, the size we wanted, we needed more formers to build the master.
Then I caculated the intermediate formers to have less then 8 inches between each former.
The calculation was an average between to formers but unfortunately we found that this calculation was not correct because the average put the former too low compare to reality because it does not take in account the curve of the plane. So we had to make them all again. That was more work in perspective, but it is an other story.
I am not used to 3D drawing which would have given me the correct shape for the intermediates formers.
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21 formers? What are the dimensions of the model PC-9?
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21 formers? What are the dimensions of the model PC-9?
The real one has 33 feetand 2 inches span wing which is 10 meters, the model has a little bit more then 11 feet span wing which is 3,4 m.
The real one is 35 feet and one inch long which is 10,5 meter, the model will be 11 feet and 6 inches (3,5 meter) long.
The 8 inches between formers is a maximum but most of them are less then that.

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What c.c. will you be using to power the plane? In-line engine?

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What c.c. will you be using to power the plane? In-line engine?

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It will probably be a 140cc inline bi-cylinder.

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I like that model and I was looking for one, It is possibe to get a copy of the plans?
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Following this, more for fun than to get a concrete result, I went to 3D.
Here is the result.
Formers lined up on the same axis and with the proper spacing.
The same thing with a little lag axis.
Front view.
3/4 view
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The next phase was to cut every half-formers on the CNC machine because we will build the master in two parts.
In the first time the bottom part of the fuselage will be build up side down. the top of the fuselage will be build when the bottom part will be done.
This will allow us to check at any moment the wing angle with the stab.
First cut the upper halves.

All formers are made by the CNC.

The phone give the size of the formers.
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For the construction of the wings, the stab and rudder, I used Profili software.
After generated the profiles in Profili and importing them in good dimension in autocad, I separated the upper profile from the bottom while keeping the same basis reference.
To cut at the correct speed on both sides with the hot wire, I draw vertical lines, I will avoid doing so in the future because it is easier to draw directly them on the Formica and the problem with the vertical lines is that I should not go till the end because the risk of hanging with the hot wire is high. So I restarted everything.
You need to make a perfect surface so the wire does not catch anything, a light sanding with very fine paper achieves the goodsurface.
The value of computing is that I could directly integrate negative twisting wing tip easily.
Then the CNC has cut into the formica templates of the wings, stab and rudder.
Here are some examples:
Stab + rudder 1st version

Second version of the rudder thickened.

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The next step was to cut the 3 stabs and tail with the made jigs.


The top surface is horizontal, the bottom surface of a dihedral

The tail was cut and we put fiber + Obachi
Note that the tape is to limit the dripping resin during drying, especially if you have cracks in the wood simple inexpensive and effective
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Work on the tail.
First thing: deburring everything that is too much then we remove the tape.

Then we have set the edge and we cut the top out replaced by 3 planks of balsa

Then protecting the Obachi using tape

Sanding to find the shape of the profile again, we stop when the tape starts to go away

Then we draw the desired shape

After sanding we obtain the desired shape

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Once the rudder is done, this is how we plank one or rather two elevators in the bag ....

Inside the bag the elevators with their reinforcements, including the location of centering pins on the front, then setting the brackets for the servos.
Around a layer of fiber with epoxy resin + Obachi, finally tape to prevent the resin through the necessary places (cracks in the wood) all placed in the body so that the shape is properly applied throughout the drying time.
All in a as possible waterproof bag, with an aspiration to a vacuum compressor that operates at the desired value.

Wait overnight and you will get planked elevators.
There is also the technique of beer case but I will explain it another time, for the planking of the wings may be.
Next step alignment of formers on the work bench for the realization of the fuselage master.
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There is also the technique of beer case but I will explain it another time, for the planking of the wings may be.
Nice build thread.

You don't have to explain the technique of the beer case, though. I've been using that technique for years.
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There is also the technique of beer case but I will explain it another time, for the planking of the wings may be.
Nice build thread.

You don't have to explain the technique of the beer case, though. I've been using that technique for years.
Hahhaah, agree!

ps: nice build thread
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Thanx guys.

Next step is the biginning of the master.
This is a big part of it.The first thing to realize isworkbench that must be perfectly straight and notsquirm with pleasure over time.
For this, a Novopanboard3m long has been chosen, and twobrackets of the total length have been fixed from below.
Then we plotted the fuselage along andthe location of each former to their proper spacing.
Finally, we glued the halves-pairs below their position tocheck the alignment of the whole.

My friend Christian checking alignement of the half formers... There is a lot of work to realign it all

Nothing is straight... it will take a long time to understand why and to redo everything correctly.

A lot of work ahead. We decided to change tactics. We will work in successive sections rather to try to do everything in one step.

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Today I present the wings keys. They are in aluminium AU4G.
Henri (the guy that build the F86 Sabre in my avatar and one of the three fellows that build the PC9 with me) drew me a template on cardboard, I re-designed the shape at the goodscale in Autocad, then integrated the DXF in the Ninos soft to cut the key.
I did some testing before starting in order to know thegood cutting speed.
And here is the result.

Henri's plan was even more at scale.

That it, we will make it 6 times ... Finally, a seventh has been cut because I had problems with one of Christian's key.


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First filling phase using expanded or extruded polystyrene afterrealigned all formers, but also after re-cutcertain formers you know the famous average calculation... completely wrong.

Small top view

At this point impossible to say what shape it will be.
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After a little sanding the result is not bad at all:

It already looks like a more correct shape.

But it makes a lot of polystyrene dust...

The problem with this size of plane is that it is hard to see everything with enough distance... Here the space is severely limited, but it is warm.
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