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Old 09-25-2006, 02:15 AM
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From 1913 to 1931 the Schneider Trophy Races for seaplanes were run.

I've searched 20 pages of "seaplane" posts and don't see a single scale Schneider Trophy Racer. Is there anyone out there who is building these? I particularly would like to find a SCALE plan for the British Short "Crusader" Schneider Racer from 1927, possibly others if interesting enough.

Have searched RCM plans and AMA plans with no luck.

Is there any help to be had?

Any help much appreciated.

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Old 09-25-2006, 10:10 AM
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Seen at the Canyon Crosswinds Club float fly last year:







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Seen at the 1997 Schneider Cup re-enactment

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Here's an original design, scratch built, sort of scale Macchi MC.72 that I had a while back.
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This is my Macchi M33 it came 3rd in 1927 race

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gl2657, beautiful job. Real sweet looking old racer.
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Thanks canadagoose

It flies well and its quite fast. 72in with a Saito 72 & 6.5lb
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how about these

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1925 Curtiss R3C-2. Sig floats
http://www.donsmithplans.com/planes.htm
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Those MC72s can be a bit tricky to fly
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Razguel, what is that yellow plane with the inverted gull wing and the cool float struts and the 4 blade prop? That is one of the coolest planes I have ever seen!!!
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O57, I agree with you completely. That airplane is called a Swoose. I fell in love with it when I first saw it and got the plans from Model Airplane news. Go to the MAN site and then the Site Features tab and click on Plans. In plans go to Old Timers. About 1/3 down the page you'll find the Swoose. I have a photo of an all white Swoose with red trim that is a real beauty. If I knew how to get the photo into this post I'd do it. I build and fly - I don't do computers very well.

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ORIGINAL: John Palica

O57, I agree with you completely. That airplane is called a Swoose. I fell in love with it when I first saw it and got the plans from Model Airplane news. Go to the MAN site and then the Site Features tab and click on Plans. In plans go to Old Timers. About 1/3 down the page you'll find the Swoose. I have a photo of an all white Swoose with red trim that is a real beauty. If I knew how to get the photo into this post I'd do it. I build and fly - I don't do computers very well.

Happy Hunting!


Success!!
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[quote]ORIGINAL: Potawatomi13

I particularly would like to find a SCALE plan for the British Short "Crusader" Schneider Racer from 1927

Bill Kohler
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60" span Short Crusader plans are listed at traplethouse.com.
Try the search engine. keyword MW2043

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One and all; Thanks for the good, friendly and inspired responses.

Now that I know where to get the Crusader plan..........does anyone know where I can find scale RC plans for the Macchi M39, M52, and/or M67? While the MC72 was a great plane it doesn't really "grab" me like these others.

Thanks again[&:]
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:47 AM
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Here is a nice one: powered by counter-rotating electric motors (twin AXi 5330 on custom-made propellers approx 21x10 size) on 2x 10S Lipoly batteries: takes off at half throttle, very impressive and rock-solid at high speed, it can also be flown at low speeds without problems. Own contruction by a good friend from Germany, Martin Biller of Markdorf (Lake Constance).

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If you can e mail the RAF and the Italian Air Force and ask for the website of their museums you should be very well received by their staff. I have always found any countries air force bend most rules to help a sincere request. ALWAYS offer to pay ALL expenses. Please thank them after the material arrives.

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Fabrizio,

this one is stunning indeed. Would you have any more picture of this jewel ? An maybe pix of the internal setup ?

Thx !
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Old 10-04-2006, 07:38 PM
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Cyclops2;

That's an interesting idea and worth following up on. I always make sure that folks that help me out know they're appreciated.

Thanks for the idea.

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Hello Strykaas,

no pics of the internal setup, sorry, but will take some at the next meet. Here are a couple more pics from when the plane wasn't even completely ready yet.
At the "European Cup" this year there were a lot of nice Schneider racers.

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Thanks Fabrizio,

I think I'm in love with this aircraft [sm=spinnyeyes.gif] !

What about the counter-rotating mechanism ? Is it custom made ? Or can we buy it somewhere ?


In 1987 there was a very good one too, very complex a/c with a clutch for the main engine + marine propeller + foils (no floats). A very difficult subject. The real one did not even fly !







More on ... http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/aecl...iopegnapc7.htm

The real one : http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/aecl...piaggiopc7.htm

Some others in 1987 too :






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ORIGINAL: Strykaas
What about the counter-rotating mechanism ? Is it custom made ? Or can we buy it somewhere ?
Nothing that complex - it is as easy as it gets: AXi makes a beautiful twin 5330 for bigger aerobatic and pattern models, where both shafts are coupled. Inside the MC-72, the two shafts are completely free to rotate: by accurately programming each ESC (you need two ESC, 90A-size), he made the front motor turn clockwise, while the rear motor turns counterclockwise. Propellers have been custom made for this beauty by a friend of the builder/pilot. Each motor is powered by its own 9S lipo pack, they are Polyquest XP 3700 mAh cells. If I remember correctly, ESC are two Jeti opto 90.

The engine is sold wherever AXi's are sold: it is called (helpfully) "AXi Twin" or "Double 5330"; according to www.hepf.at there are 3 sizes.

[link=http://www.modelmotors.cz/index.php?page=61&product=5330D&serie=20&line=GOLD]Link to Model Motors' Website[/link] with specs and data.

Builder/pilot Martin Biller of Markdorf (Germany) once told me that he would write a report on a german magazine: I hope it will be soon!

The Pegna PC-7 is a plane that I like a lot: now with electrics it shouldn't be impossible to do: it has been done with IC engines... Will need some plans and data, but will definitely look into it in the future!

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Still looking for Schneider Cup planes plans?

I know that that MC-72 should have won and was the world's fastest seaplane. None the less, you can try to get get plans for the Supermarine which retired the trophy from Scale Plans & Photo Service in Greensboro NC. I believe that was Jim Pepino, now departed. His wife was running the operation last time I checked. Do not know present status. Anyway, the plane is about 90" span, plans are very well done and not inexpensive. I belive I paid about $60.00 for a set.

I believe that somewhere in my collection there are plans from FMT for the MC-72. Too many plans. Don't remember them all.

If you check back to Scale RC Modeler Magazine, where the first and several after that Schneider Cup re-enactments were featured, you'll see listings for plans for some other models, like the Curtiss biplane entrant. And most of the guys in the re-enactments drew their own plans. Started one for a MC-72 myself. Have the wing done now but can't find my scale documentation for the remainder. Must start again.

I thionk I've seen a Sopwith Tabloid plan too.

Why not check Model Builder as well? Get in touch with John Northrop.

Somewhere else, there was a scale drawing for that Piaggio on the hydrofoils with the water prop. As I recall, the article stated that the design didn't work out very well.

There's lots of stuff out there. It just isn't out in plain view screaming, "here I am, come and get me!".

Good luck with your quest.
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Thanks a lot Fabrizio for this useful piece of information. Keep us posted if you see any RC mag article
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There is a nice article on the European Cup in Schongau (Germany) in "Flug- und Modelltechnik" (FMT) 10/2006, nice photos of Martin's MC-72 and other Schneider racers as well.

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