Pica & Ikon N'wst laser-cut kits coming back with Kickstarter campaign
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Pica & Ikon N'wst laser-cut kits coming back with Kickstarter campaign
There is a Kickstarter campaign to once again produce Pica and Ikon N'wst kits, this time with laser cutting. You can check it out at http://kck.st/1miw2oj Many rewards and four Pica kits to start with.
#2
I'm surprised that Hobbico would give up the rights to Pica. Same with Mr. Silk, from IKON. It must have cost a small fortune to obtain them.
Last edited by TomCrump; 07-14-2014 at 10:55 AM.
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I wonder if he has Alex's permission to use the Ercoupe parts photo from the website...
http://a-mmodels.com/wp/laser-cut/
What a deal
"Pledge $245 or more - See list of airplanes available. Any category B airplane "Almost Ready to Fly" (ARF) pre-covered with an attractive color scheme, ready for radio and engine installation. Not including shipping."
So, for $245 +$60 to ship, I'm going to get a pre-built and covered aircraft of my choosing in the 64"~77" range? Have you lost your mind?
Last edited by Hemikiller; 07-14-2014 at 08:29 AM.
#4
Yeah, this I have to see.
I wonder if he has Alex's permission to use the Ercoupe parts photo from the website...
http://a-mmodels.com/wp/laser-cut/
I wonder if he has Alex's permission to use the Ercoupe parts photo from the website...
http://a-mmodels.com/wp/laser-cut/
#5
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Yeah, this I have to see.
I wonder if he has Alex's permission to use the Ercoupe parts photo from the website...
http://a-mmodels.com/wp/laser-cut/
What a deal
"Pledge $245 or more - See list of airplanes available. Any category B airplane "Almost Ready to Fly" (ARF) pre-covered with an attractive color scheme, ready for radio and engine installation. Not including shipping."
So, for $245 +$60 to ship, I'm going to get a pre-built and covered aircraft of my choosing in the 64"~77" range? Have you lost your mind?
I wonder if he has Alex's permission to use the Ercoupe parts photo from the website...
http://a-mmodels.com/wp/laser-cut/
What a deal
"Pledge $245 or more - See list of airplanes available. Any category B airplane "Almost Ready to Fly" (ARF) pre-covered with an attractive color scheme, ready for radio and engine installation. Not including shipping."
So, for $245 +$60 to ship, I'm going to get a pre-built and covered aircraft of my choosing in the 64"~77" range? Have you lost your mind?
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Hobbico isn't giving up the rights, I am going to be paying them royalties. Since they are not producing the kits right now, other than a few in ARF form, which I am not doing with the Pica kits (only the "other" listed kits), there is no competition against them. So, making royalties gives them money they would not otherwise have. As for Mr. Silk, he has not produced the Ikon N'wst kits for quite a while, and so I will buy the rights and content from him.
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I can't remember if his last name is "Silk", you may be thinking of someone else, but he lives in Spokane, Washington. Even if he decides not to sell the rights to me, since he is no longer producing the kits, I will pay him royalties.
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-I sure like that Saturn V but I feel like the risk may be too great to pay money out to a business that may or may not get started. Seems like there are several questions in the thread that raises questions in my mind. I would think that a person would obtain permission and have his business plan worked out before opening the doors-what if you cannot get permission to produce a certain model and people have invested in your business with the idea of getting that model. Also it is to my understanding if a company decides not to enter in a business agreement with you and they have a protected product -you will not legally be able to reproduce the same product. Also questions come to my mind that you do not know SILK-I do not know him either-but appears he has a stake in Ikon Nwest .
Please sell me on the idea that I will not lose my money and I will sign up.
Please sell me on the idea that I will not lose my money and I will sign up.
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/show...errerid=207331
there are three threads on this topic started by the OP
there are three threads on this topic started by the OP
Sorry pilot dood , but your gonna have to get WRITTEN permission to use those designs , build a few ON YOUR OWN DIME to attempt to establish a "name" in our hobby , and THEN go asking for money to continue building these kits so hopefully folks will buy them . Asking for money before you have all your "ducks in a row" just makes you look like every OTHER internet scammer out there with just enough of a "great idea" to attempt to separate folks from their $$$ .................
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RC Ken has already warned this guy once to stop posting multiple posts all with the common theme of this kickstarter nonsense . Just remember , the wheels of justice here at RCU turn exceedingly slow , but turn they do , and I'm sure Mr. Dood will be dealt with in due time ......
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RC Ken has already warned this guy once to stop posting multiple posts all with the common theme of this kickstarter nonsense . Just remember , the wheels of justice here at RCU turn exceedingly slow , but turn they do , and I'm sure Mr. Dood will be dealt with in due time ......
#20
Yep , that's one of them thar things bout holes , when yer in one deep enough , It's best to stop diggin !
But really , and in all seriousness ,
I and everyone else would like nothing more than to see pilotdude actually end up making a go of this . Pretty much most of our present day suppliers started out just that way as small operations and ALL companies have to start somewhere . It would be really great to see the guy GET the proper permission to use the designs , build a few , and see if the market beats a path to his door . That's the right way , The way every small company starts out , and should have the blessing of all . Our problem here is one of "putting the cart before the horse" in that he needs both the legal permission to use the designs AND the respect of a well earned name for building from these designs , BEFORE asking strangers for money to fund something that likely may not happen for either legal or other market force factors .
I do truly wish the OP the best with step one , securing the permission to use the designs . This step , which of course will need a lawyer to draft the contract to have any validity in any future legal dealings the new company may encounter , will enable him to build a few , sell a few , and let we the buying public decide if any more of em need to be made .
And THEN , we'll talk about money , after the OP has put enough of his OWN "skin in the game" as to prove being fully vested in the idea of becoming a kitmaker VS a get rich quick scheme .
But really , and in all seriousness ,
I and everyone else would like nothing more than to see pilotdude actually end up making a go of this . Pretty much most of our present day suppliers started out just that way as small operations and ALL companies have to start somewhere . It would be really great to see the guy GET the proper permission to use the designs , build a few , and see if the market beats a path to his door . That's the right way , The way every small company starts out , and should have the blessing of all . Our problem here is one of "putting the cart before the horse" in that he needs both the legal permission to use the designs AND the respect of a well earned name for building from these designs , BEFORE asking strangers for money to fund something that likely may not happen for either legal or other market force factors .
I do truly wish the OP the best with step one , securing the permission to use the designs . This step , which of course will need a lawyer to draft the contract to have any validity in any future legal dealings the new company may encounter , will enable him to build a few , sell a few , and let we the buying public decide if any more of em need to be made .
And THEN , we'll talk about money , after the OP has put enough of his OWN "skin in the game" as to prove being fully vested in the idea of becoming a kitmaker VS a get rich quick scheme .
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Hobbico isn't giving up the rights, I am going to be paying them royalties. Since they are not producing the kits right now, other than a few in ARF form, which I am not doing with the Pica kits (only the "other" listed kits), there is no competition against them. So, making royalties gives them money they would not otherwise have. As for Mr. Silk, he has not produced the Ikon N'wst kits for quite a while, and so I will buy the rights and content from him.
[strike]Funny, but according to BAX, Hobbico doesn't have the rights to the Pica kits....[/strike]
Edit 7/17 - got a PM from Bax, Hobbico does have the Pica rights and they're sending legal your way...
Last edited by Hemikiller; 07-17-2014 at 08:36 AM.
#22
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-I sure like that Saturn V but I feel like the risk may be too great to pay money out to a business that may or may not get started. Seems like there are several questions in the thread that raises questions in my mind. I would think that a person would obtain permission and have his business plan worked out before opening the doors-what if you cannot get permission to produce a certain model and people have invested in your business with the idea of getting that model. Also it is to my understanding if a company decides not to enter in a business agreement with you and they have a protected product -you will not legally be able to reproduce the same product. Also questions come to my mind that you do not know SILK-I do not know him either-but appears he has a stake in Ikon Nwest .
Please sell me on the idea that I will not lose my money and I will sign up.
Please sell me on the idea that I will not lose my money and I will sign up.
#23
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Apparently, you don't realize that I started this thread, it was not "hijacked". See the first post in the thread.
#24
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I'm not sure on that one, but I should be able to do it wihin 60 days of the end of the campaign. If I run into any problems, then I would just do my own design BASED on the Pica kit, but with a one-inch increase in wingspan.
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Which is exactly two more than RC Ken told him he could post on any one subject . The OP has been on a begging binge because he thinks this "kickstarter" thing is gonna make him into an instant internet millionaire . I found it especially funny when he was threatening folks with lawsuits for "slandering" his fund raising efforts , what he seems to have missed is that EVERY , and yes , I mean EVERY , successful Kickstarter campaign has had either a "Big name" celebrity or an AIRTIGHT idea behind them . No one has a clue who this guy is , he has exactly 0 name recognition or "cred" in our hobby , and he is expecting folks to open their wallets for planes built from stolen designs ?
Sorry pilot dood , but your gonna have to get WRITTEN permission to use those designs , build a few ON YOUR OWN DIME to attempt to establish a "name" in our hobby , and THEN go asking for money to continue building these kits so hopefully folks will buy them . Asking for money before you have all your "ducks in a row" just makes you look like every OTHER internet scammer out there with just enough of a "great idea" to attempt to separate folks from their $$$ .................
Sorry pilot dood , but your gonna have to get WRITTEN permission to use those designs , build a few ON YOUR OWN DIME to attempt to establish a "name" in our hobby , and THEN go asking for money to continue building these kits so hopefully folks will buy them . Asking for money before you have all your "ducks in a row" just makes you look like every OTHER internet scammer out there with just enough of a "great idea" to attempt to separate folks from their $$$ .................