View Poll Results: Do we really need the AMA???
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Do we really need the ama, or is it just like auto insurance...another ripoff?
12-10-2014, 02:39 PM
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Do we really need the ama, or is it just like auto insurance...another ripoff?
This is more of a poll, than a question...If you're for the AMA, type 'Yea'. Against...type 'Nay'
12-10-2014, 04:25 PM
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90% or more of the flying clubs in the USA require you to belong to the AMA to fly at their sites, So yes if you fly larger planes that require a runway or
you just like fly sometimes at a different places then you need the AMA. Also I think the AMA is more than just insurance but it is the insurance that IMO
causes most people to be AMA members.
you just like fly sometimes at a different places then you need the AMA. Also I think the AMA is more than just insurance but it is the insurance that IMO
causes most people to be AMA members.
12-10-2014, 08:56 PM
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Nay......but,
I do pay for a membership card. It's a "convenience tax," as suitable nearby venues for part of my modeling activity are controlled by AMA chartered clubs. There are other options which I often exploit, but the trade-off is minutes to get there vs upwards of an hour.
Your question is akin to asking "Do we need the IRS." Difference is like it or not we would probably be in deep doggy doo without IRS but not so for AMA; the large majority of modelers do their thing without any interest in it......which btw will skew your poll results comically, since those with zero interest in AMA aren't here to reply to it.
I do pay for a membership card. It's a "convenience tax," as suitable nearby venues for part of my modeling activity are controlled by AMA chartered clubs. There are other options which I often exploit, but the trade-off is minutes to get there vs upwards of an hour.
Your question is akin to asking "Do we need the IRS." Difference is like it or not we would probably be in deep doggy doo without IRS but not so for AMA; the large majority of modelers do their thing without any interest in it......which btw will skew your poll results comically, since those with zero interest in AMA aren't here to reply to it.
12-10-2014, 09:13 PM
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Nay......but,
I do pay for a membership card. It's a "convenience tax," as suitable nearby venues for part of my modeling activity are controlled by AMA chartered clubs. There are other options which I often exploit, but the trade-off is minutes to get there vs upwards of an hour.
Your question is akin to asking "Do we need the IRS." Difference is like it or not we would probably be in deep doggy doo without IRS but not so for AMA; the large majority of modelers do their thing without any interest in it......which btw will skew your poll results comically, since those with zero interest in AMA aren't here to reply to it.
I do pay for a membership card. It's a "convenience tax," as suitable nearby venues for part of my modeling activity are controlled by AMA chartered clubs. There are other options which I often exploit, but the trade-off is minutes to get there vs upwards of an hour.
Your question is akin to asking "Do we need the IRS." Difference is like it or not we would probably be in deep doggy doo without IRS but not so for AMA; the large majority of modelers do their thing without any interest in it......which btw will skew your poll results comically, since those with zero interest in AMA aren't here to reply to it.
And there in is the problem the Non or Hater AMA people that cause the FAA to Be lumping the good with the Few Bad Apples that think they can fly anywhere at any time any how the please.
12-10-2014, 11:22 PM
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And there in is the problem the Non or Hater AMA people that cause the FAA to Be lumping the good with the Few Bad Apples that think they can fly anywhere at any time any how the please.[/Q
I'm not sure that is an accurate statement for all who fly RC. I'm not an "AMA hater". I simply choose not to be a member. I don't fly just "anywhere" and I don't fly in a manner that endangers others or myself. I will not subscribe to the idea that to fly RC is to be AMA. I respect what the AMA is trying to accomplish and wish them well in their endeavors.
James
And there in is the problem the Non or Hater AMA people that cause the FAA to Be lumping the good with the Few Bad Apples that think they can fly anywhere at any time any how the please.[/Q
I'm not sure that is an accurate statement for all who fly RC. I'm not an "AMA hater". I simply choose not to be a member. I don't fly just "anywhere" and I don't fly in a manner that endangers others or myself. I will not subscribe to the idea that to fly RC is to be AMA. I respect what the AMA is trying to accomplish and wish them well in their endeavors.
James
12-10-2014, 11:25 PM
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And then they show up with a "Park Fliers License".
12-11-2014, 01:20 AM
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With any sporting body you need one central body if you actually want to be heard when it comes to any governing body or form of government. Thats just a fact of life. There is always a compromise in goals as well, they have to decide which are the most important issues that can be dealt with, and decipher the good ideas from the bad. Everyone who is a member will have different ideas even when it comes to a single topic. Their place is to put that forward and advance it in the best way possible, as well as providing the obvious insurance, funding towards events and helping clubs run in a satisfactory way. In any club there are always those who choose not to contribute, as well as those who dont see the need. They are really the ones who are missing out.
12-11-2014, 03:05 AM
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12-11-2014, 05:10 AM
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IMO AMA is just part of the expense of the hobby.and is required at any club I've ever bee associated with.
Mike
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12-11-2014, 05:21 AM
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The question is "Do we need..." not "Do we like..." The answere is in my opinion, an unequivocal yes. They do and have done much more than provide insurance. Not going to list that out as it would take volumes, but the organization (which is us by the way), continues to be advocates for the hobby. With any organization they are not going to get it 100% right to 100% of the member's satisfaction. That never happens with any club, organization, or group. Look here, we don't agree already and again we as I said are the AMA.
I'll give one example - would we have gotten our exclusive use 72mhz band if we the AMA hadn't as an organization been there to work with the government bodies to set it aside for us? 72mhz is not critical like it once was, but without it the hobby would not have grown like it did. We as modelers would not have all the options/opportunities we have today. No way that happens unless we as a collective group with a representative leadership body work and were there to do it.
if you are a hunter/gun sportsman, would you be better off without the NRA? If you are a private pilot would you be better off without the AOPA?
Lars
I'll give one example - would we have gotten our exclusive use 72mhz band if we the AMA hadn't as an organization been there to work with the government bodies to set it aside for us? 72mhz is not critical like it once was, but without it the hobby would not have grown like it did. We as modelers would not have all the options/opportunities we have today. No way that happens unless we as a collective group with a representative leadership body work and were there to do it.
if you are a hunter/gun sportsman, would you be better off without the NRA? If you are a private pilot would you be better off without the AOPA?
Lars
12-11-2014, 06:31 AM
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Multirotor Helis quads FPV fomies 3D "Lectrics" on and on and on. U can't get the members of any one club to agree on things every one hates the other things that they don't do. So what do they do they Bad Mouth the things they don't participate in.
Yester day one of our members X president came around to see if anyone wanted to participate in a FUEL BUY. He had to purchase so many cases to get the price break. Well he a "LECTRIC" hater and just kidingly I said "What U gona do with all that fuel when the clubs goes to an all "LECTRIC" field January one. Man He came unglued ... Maybe so angry that he won't talk to me for another year or so....one can only hope.
12-11-2014, 06:37 AM
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The question is "Do we need..." not "Do we like..." The answere is in my opinion, an unequivocal yes. They do and have done much more than provide insurance. Not going to list that out as it would take volumes, but the organization (which is us by the way), continues to be advocates for the hobby. With any organization they are not going to get it 100% right to 100% of the member's satisfaction. That never happens with any club, organization, or group. Look here, we don't agree already and again we as I said are the AMA.
I'll give one example - would we have gotten our exclusive use 72mhz band if we the AMA hadn't as an organization been there to work with the government bodies to set it aside for us? 72mhz is not critical like it once was, but without it the hobby would not have grown like it did. We as modelers would not have all the options/opportunities we have today. No way that happens unless we as a collective group with a representative leadership body work and were there to do it.
if you are a hunter/gun sportsman, would you be better off without the NRA? If you are a private pilot would you be better off without the AOPA?
Lars
I'll give one example - would we have gotten our exclusive use 72mhz band if we the AMA hadn't as an organization been there to work with the government bodies to set it aside for us? 72mhz is not critical like it once was, but without it the hobby would not have grown like it did. We as modelers would not have all the options/opportunities we have today. No way that happens unless we as a collective group with a representative leadership body work and were there to do it.
if you are a hunter/gun sportsman, would you be better off without the NRA? If you are a private pilot would you be better off without the AOPA?
Lars
Absolutely Correct ... If We can't/won't stand as a united fource we will parish as individuals. Throwing one discipline "Under the Bus" will cause all of us to loose out. Most likely Non AMA people first bt if that happens U know we are next. If the FAA can limit or or prohibit one segment of this hobby/Sport they can Damn well do it to all of it.
12-11-2014, 06:54 AM
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There are many more "Nay sayers" that belong to clubs, not to contribute the club, or assist the club, or to further the advancement of the hobby, but to fly their planes. These are the ones that never show up to help cut the grass, or to assist at club events, or even attend club meetings. These are the guys that drive up to the field and see other members doing field maintenance, and they turn around a leave. Only to come back after the work to fly their planes.
And then they show up with a "Park Fliers License".
And then they show up with a "Park Fliers License".
These and the guys that just "PAY THEIR DUES" and fly ounce of very little are the guys I love they stay out of your way when U want to get something done and the others help keep the dues down. Besides every club of any kind has the 10% that do every thig including making the rules and enforcing them.
I belong to 3 clubs in Wisconsin and 2 in Arizona. Club dues in WI are $20 at RAF $75 at LakeLand R/C Flyers and I paid $1400
for my share of PFC 15 years ago (we own the Land) and $135 dues and I flew ther 3 times in 2 years. Then it's 20 Dues and $100 at Arizona Model Aviators up $25 this year because they realized that 3 years ago they paid $5200 to re top the runway and we arn't going to ave the necessary funds when it comes to keeping the runway up to snuff in the feature.
But U know what I can fly Year round and I go to one field or the other every flyable day ...Mostly just for the Commodorery. But at 71 and some health problems I have gotten a new Philosophy toward MONEY. I can't take it with me, ( it will burn) and it's only MONEY and if I don't spend it My Daughter will. I just hope that the CHECK to the scum bag under taker BOUNCES.
Now it's time to head for the field ... don't want to be late for Lunch
12-11-2014, 07:19 AM
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12-11-2014, 07:57 AM
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Answer to "poll" question. NO. Throwing fuel on the conversational fire: How is the AMA similar to Auto Insurance? Where are the claim forms to get my crashed vehicles repaired? I am not a former nor current member of AMA , I have no idea what the benefits of membership would bring to me as an individual. I've just assumed the membership requirement at private club fields is to CYA of the property owners. .......so..... You can't fly here without insurance? Like you can't drive a car in the state michigan without car insurance, why then do I pay for as a separate item of coverage for uninsured motorists and under insured motorists? I'm buying my insurance to cover or protect myself from those don't follow the rules(law)