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Old 04-12-2010, 10:55 PM
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here s the link in english [link]http://www.wd200-modellbau.de/?Antriebe%2FDrives:Z-Drive%2FDirektantrieb#Length:_183mm[/link]and the price woks out to be about $ 270.00 USD plus shipping
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Old 04-13-2010, 04:12 AM
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well i took her out today for a run and was not very happy with the way she ran. first the carby had blockage so in to pit lane for some tinkering, ok so all clear, back on it goes and sure enough more problems. i dont know how this happened but the flex shaft worked itself loose, so now i had to go swimming [:@]. i think the new prop i put on (67/17/3) is to small for the mod Zen. it seemed to be cavitating alot and took a while to get on the plain (maybe thats how the shaft became loose?). i have a old prather 275 and that prop makes this boat hual a#$ with the mod zen, so im thinking maybe a 70/19/3 voodoo would be a good starting point. does anyone have any thoughts on what prop wound be ideal for a 6hp zen? also would a cavitating prop cause the flex shaft to come loose? i need a bigger prop so i dont over rev the engine.
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If your running a round collet check the gap between drive dog and strut you want arround 1/4",if its less it will bind up as the flex shrinks under load and can cause the collet to let go of the flex.As for the 6717/3 prop its a decent prop for a modded zen i ran one on my t boat and plan on using it on my new 57" apapche with a 6+ hp zen,its not too small imo.Cavitation is worse if your running a clutch ?,is the prop ballanced?have you hit anything and bent a blade slightly? maybe check it .For another good prop i hear the 7016/3 is a good prop for a big mono,tad bigger might be worth a try.Im sure someone who has tried one might chime in with some info also abc 2814/3 is another i will be trying out myself.
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Old 04-13-2010, 04:54 AM
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On my heavier hulls I found the Prather 275 a much better prop than the 6717/3. I found the 6717/3 cavitated out of the hole like you have found. The best way to find a prop to suit your hull is to borrow some props & test them until you find one you like. Then get one made for yourself.
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Try bigger diameter, 67-70 are small light mono props. Doesn't matter how much power your zen has, an Apache is a big heavy hull, you need more blade area.
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hey mart, thanks for your insight. the prop is a brand new voodoo sharpened balanced ready to go, im not running a clutch and i am running a round collet and the gap is 1/4 inch it just seems to cavitate like hell. i pulled everything out of the apache when i got home today and inspected the collet and flex to see if there were any sings of wear (slipping ect), i might just order a new collet anyway..... @ dicko yeah mate i plan to grab a few of my mates props and have a bit of a play tomorrow. hopefully the weather conditions are a bit better here on the coast than they were today. keep you posted
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Try bigger diameter, 67-70 are small light mono props. Doesn't matter how much power your zen has, an Apache is a big heavy hull, you need more blade area.

i could'nt agree more
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:16 AM
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I've seen very scale looking mercruiser leg out drives at RC sports and hobbies in Woodbrige On. The owner is the guy who made the capricorn apache. They look really good, even have mercruiser decals on them. They look like they'd be hard on cables though. I'll try and get a pic of them .
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If your running a round collet check the gap between drive dog and strut you want arround 1/4'',if its less it will bind up as the flex shrinks under load and can cause the collet to let go of the flex.As for the 6717/3 prop its a decent prop for a modded zen i ran one on my t boat and plan on using it on my new 57'' apapche with a 6+ hp zen,its not too small imo.Cavitation is worse if your running a clutch ?,is the prop ballanced?have you hit anything and bent a blade slightly? maybe check it .For another good prop i hear the 7016/3 is a good prop for a big mono,tad bigger might be worth a try.Im sure someone who has tried one might chime in with some info also abc 2814/3 is another i will be trying out myself.
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I run a 7016/3 Voodoo on my 56" APACHE, modded Zen, clutched hitting 54mph. Surface props are not a hole shot prop. The application of the prop begins once the boat has gotten up on plane. A slow and steady acceleration to get up on plane with a bit of cavitation is a given but if it persists once up on plane (if it makes it) then the prop is too small for the application. When the boat is larger and heavier this becomes more evident, in the smaller boats like the 45" range its not so evident, it changes that much.

If you want to try a 7016/3 and nobody has one that you can try. WHH has an aluminum version for $15.
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54 MPH is a good speed for a big boat with a single zen,if i can get that speed ill be happy with that but first i need to build the boat,just finnished waxing the mould .
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Here are the drives I was mentioning. I'll stick with strut and rudder , but for someone who likes the look...........................
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I am a fan of the look of the drives, though i have never seen one up close. To me they look very very heavy.. If your a scale boater and your going for looks rather than top speed then go for it .
Maybe one day i'll build a scale apache boat with two of these bad boys (MHZ though)...
On another note it is a beauitful day here on the coast so im off to the local race pond. I hope to get some vid today
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That's a nice drive!
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that's a lot of exposed flex, I don't think I would be comfortable with that much flex whipping around unsupported.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:52 PM
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Here are the drives I was mentioning. I'll stick with strut and rudder , but for someone who likes the look...........................
I'm almost sure those are Capricorn drives. A pair just sold on the dock for $50.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:24 PM
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there noy a bad drive if set up corectly the big trick is to use the teflon tube right to the drive this prevents the cable from whipping
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Old 04-14-2010, 04:44 AM
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well i have been looking at all of your apache's and i have now decided to give mine a make over. there is no way i can have my apache on here with you guys having your boats looking the way they do. maybe a fluro or sunset orange over white or maybe a kurmet the frog green over white with a black pin stripe to seperate the twp colors. then some decals and a coat of clear to finish...
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good luck on your refit they are a lot of work and sometimes a lot of $$$$ but in the long run they are worth it
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Well I am officially an apache owner lol I recieved my 65" ballantine hull this thing is huge especially since I am used to the team pro lol. Have to go to work now sucks but will have pics up tonight cant wait to start building!!!
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Congratulations Scott, I cannot wait to see the pictures.
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the Ballintine s are a beautifuly built hull and will withstand many years of BIG waves good luck on your upcomming build a look forward as this will be my next build
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i have seen what appears to be an MHZ drive with no guts. basically a glorified ''outdirve looking'' movable (turning) strut. it has a plastic shaft tube coming thru the hull (like if it were a strut set-up) but it goes into the drives nosecone. Nice. just dont have any idea who, what make they are? any ideas. that would be nice. keep the scale look without the gears or the cost!

THAT is a WD200 Drive. They are nicely done. You must shim the stand-off box to trim but a wonderful peice of hardware from Werner. I used a single on on the Dumas Scarab Resto and it turned out GREAT! You need the same size servo to steer the MHZ Z-Drive HUGE The front of the drive cone is just the right size for the MHZ stuffing tube and Teflon liner (it is almost twice as thick as anything offered here in the USA). THAT is the way Werner suggested setting it up. It really is a nice balance between teh scale looks and PITA servicing of the S6 drives...no power loss through the gear reduction/oil either!!!

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http://www.wd200-modellbau.de/?Antri...FDirektantrieb
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I was thinking of these - believe they were made by Thorsten. Basically a copy of an S6 with no mechanicals. Little more scale than what Werner is offering at the moment though they are 100% custom.






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Old 04-14-2010, 04:29 PM
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those would sell like hotcakes if the price was right [8D]
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Yeah Matt , thats them. very nice indeed!
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