ingleburn

Baby steps Brian. I think you should start with something like this. www.rc-fever.com/sanhuan-sh-6048-predator-4ch-rc-quadcopter-rtf-24ghz-w3-axis-gyro.html

Give you some practise with planks as well.

ingleburn

I should in fact watch a video but being a stubborn ***** I will try and get it working myself then in 2 hours time swear a lot and go watch that video.

I did think about buying a fubar but my brain would explode with having to learn another system. Luckily HK dont have them so you are all spared my rantings on trying to get it to work.

Good luck with the quads. So much to try and take in. So many more options than you have with helis.

Another day of rain so time to clean the house then get back to the GT.

hugj

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A bit of sad news, The chicken shi!!!! fight is over. We lost! Yes we lost our field after 5years. The owner of the property had 0 problems with us but the famer who gets the hay for free did. We said always if any one has a problem we would quit using it, so now it's off to look for a local club, have a couple in mind if they will have me.  In the long run I'll save some $$ because I won't have to cut it any more. this year alone I think I have about 250 in fuel cost alone not to mention the mower mntc.

Maybe I'll just pack up and move south to FL and bother Brian for awhile, or the dream, go to the land down under, But I'm not sure if they can handle a Dam yankee, southern boy?  Happy flying  Hugh

Ddaddy

That sux. What was the specific problem? Never mind,mute point I'm sure. Everyone is mor ethan welcome to fly on my prperty anytime...and maybe even have a beer

ingleburn

Sorry you lost your field. Im sure you will find something else.
If not your always welcome here. We will turn you into an aussie in no time.

hugj

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Thanks guy's Texas My brother use to live there and loved it. As far as the point of losing the field, I guess he wanted more land to get hay and since we did not own it not much can be done, I do think there may have been other reasons he felt this way but that just the way things go.

  Hugh

ahamay

Here's a new clip from an early release Mobius cam I found. Play it in full HD fullscreen. Quality looks impressive. I think i'll end up with one once people start uploading their videos.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLU0e2ASbRo[/youtube]

ingleburn

Anyone out there with experience with a BeastX V1? The GT is ready for a test after converting it to FBL using a HB800 which is a beastx clone.

Everything is good except Im a bit worried about parameter menu step B. Control behaviour.

I have it set to radio but Im thinking it might be a bit aggressive for me. Maybe I should set it to sport or pro and see how that goes.

The weather looks like it is clearing so should be able to take it out tomorrow. To bad my cam is playing up otherwise it might make for an interesting video.

rikybob

Hiya Kidz!

Day three of [link=http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/uscg-holds-operation-dry-water-event]"Operation Dry Water"[/link] (read: It's raining and I'm working all evening doing NOTHING) and I'm ready for days off and vacation!

The Georgia Twins - Dang I'm gutted for ya re: losing the field. Unfortunately I saw it coming. The price of hay is ridiculous and the chicken s h i t spreading was what is known as a "clue" in my line of work!

Upside is, is that you will meet a bunch of new friends (fellowship is equal footing as the hobby itself) and get new direction and horse trading and end up in an atmosphere where on is less likely to hit his own vehicle with an airplane[:@]

@ Ingleburn - One of the twins had a Beastx clone I recall!

@ Jonesy - Yah the viddy is GREAT! I'm watching closely as the guy from the quads at my field has lost THREE, count 'em THREE vehicles at 1K apiece! The Mobius, if it works for FPV is a cheap and attractive alternative. I've been subscribed to Top Franks wonderful threads since the beginnings. Say what you want the fokker is grumpy but great threads!

@ mssmsenenneneth - You are giving me HUGE survival guilt about the Fu-Bar!!

@ All - Now back to spending my spare time reading [link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1675613&page=10]HERE[/link] and [link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1904559&page=12]HERE[/link] and [link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1097355]HERE![/link] Only 2000 more pages to go (phreakin OT blatherers. Oh I found the right arrow key)[:@]

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pushinoldrc

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We are both gutted as well. Hugh was spending a lot of money on his mower, and would go to the field after work sometimes twice a week to mow with no expectations from me. I wanted to take some of that responsibility, but since I only have a walk behind mower, he refused my help. If Icould get a bush-hog, Iwould keep the whole field at 6" tall so no hay could be harvested.

We will meet new people, and we have a bonus for the club we join. I have two instructies at the moment, and they must join the club if Iam going to continue to instruct them.

One of the fields we are thinking of is Scenic RC Fliers, and is about the same distance for me to the field, but will add about 30 minutes to Hugh's commute.
They seem to be a good group of guys, but I don't specially like crowds.

Yes Jonesy, Hugh HAD a BeastX, and relinquished it to me when he gave me the Align 450. When I set it up, I just set up the first set of parameters and test flew it to see if more adjustments were necesary. None were, so I don't have a clue as to what they do, or when Imight need to adjust anything. The bird flies wonderfully as it is.
No pitch-up, and she will even do tic-tocs that look like I know what I am doing. It is VERYNICE.

B

pushinoldrc

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Ihate working for any amount of time without doing something. It always makes me tired, sore, and ANGRY.

rikybob

Yah, hate it for you guys but I assure you the benefits will outweigh the detriments!

It was GOOD for me to get out and about even though it's only a few hours once a week and then every three months, not at all!

I suspect the quad world is a realm that is going to open up a HUGE amount of possibilities for me that are NOT married to ridiculously attenuated hand/eye coordination!


Hmmmmm readin' through the "Mega Thread" and found the ubiqutis Mmemeneeth [link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24113815&postcount=449]HERE![/link]

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hugj

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Hey Ingleburn Ihave a true beast x and a clone I use the setting in the unit for control behaver perameter b. here is a link for the manual its for the real one but most of the info will be usefulhttp://www.beastx.com/service_manuals.php if this doesn't work go to service at the beast x web site and you will find it hugh

ingleburn

Thanks Hugh, yeah I think I will go down that path for a start.
Might set it to sport first and see how that goes. I remember the first time I set it up I had problems with that setting as well.
I asked a few questions on a forum and was told if you set it in the unit make sure you have no expo in the radio.
When I was going through the steps it turned out last time I had it set for a 140 degree swash.so that might have been the reason it never worked properly.

Weather is looking good today so I will let you know how it goes.

mnemennth

hugj -

That sucks about losin' your field; I can't think how many times I've wished I still had the south 60 acres of the family farm. SOMANYthings I wanted to do with that property. Now I'm a pathetic suburbanite with my little postage stamp backyard, and lucky to have that.

Well, yeah, brian... that's cuz I'm RIGHTHERE on page 2 of the MEGALINKINDEX:


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On Screen displays and FPV and AVP:
TIP 1: Amateur Radio License (HAM) is required to use some frequencies in the US: http://www.wikihow.com/Get-an-Amateu...ense-in-the-US and http://www.arrl.org/FandES/ead/classes.html
TIP 2: Adding a video or down-link Tx can have detrimental effects on your Tx/Rx range and GPS if fitted. Be sure to do a proper range test when adding these transmitters to your model. The use of filters and ferrite rings properly wound and placed near the sources will help reduce this Rf interference. A cheap (sometimes free) source of ferrite rings are old obsolete dead computer power supplies, computer main boards, and modems.
TIP 3: Practice flying with dummy weight equal to your AVP and or FPV setups instead of those expensive and easily damaged systems to make sure you are comfortable with the multicopter's flight performance at your fully equipped AUW. Flying with a higher weight can cause the multicopter to be somewhat less responsive and require higher throttle input to arrest descents.
TIP 4: Also see the Wiring info for multicopters section
$15 TX Mount FPV System by Mnemennth: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1829318
433Mhz Datalink Transceivers set for ~$45: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=843 , http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=1053
915Mhz and 433Mhz 3DR Datalink Transceivers for ~$50. http://www.ebay.com/itm/F03016-Dual-...item3a77e4ca4b , ~$75 at DIYDrones: https://store.diydrones.com/ProductD...lemetry-3DR915
1.2Ghz Tx/Rx Info on one page by Iacei: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1279902
12v Step-up Buck Inverter for FPV VTX and camera filtering: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1361685
Adding extra channels to PPM Tx/Rx: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=661
AP Landing Multicopter threads: http://www.aplanding.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78
A poor Man's OSD: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=921467

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Dinn't I tell y'all 'bout that when I hacked it?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhnw2MXVJSE[/youtube]

How much guilt, there dude? Enough to trade it off before you open it up and discover how fabulous it might be?

I have copious amounts of mCPXbling I bought to see if it would XFer over to my Genii...

Call me.


mnem
No, seriously; CALLME. I WANTyou FUBAR. Err, YOURFUBAR.

rikybob

Naaaaaah, not THAT much quilt!

Just a twinge!

Yeppers the quad FPV stuff is amazing.

I've spent about 6 hours perusing to date and actually spoke with the "Quad Guy" at the club again extensively and found that apparently it IS dumb @ s s proof to get into the air!

I'll get the tried and proven frame [link=http://QAV500 V1.2 Multirotor Kits]HERE[/link] with the appropriate motors, esc and FC board (read KK2).

Down the road I'll prolly get the NAZA (300.00) USD and either Fat Shark or Sony for the glasses.

Part of the foreplay of the hobby is to read extensively of which I still have some days of. Prolly one of the harder parts is, well parts. Specifically batteries. These forkin' HK 4s batteries are like "hens teeth"!

Wakin' up on this side of the universe and starting the day!

All the best childrens!

b

Ddaddy

mnem, I ain't too impressed with the spec's on that Sure Tx/Rx. Specifically the output power and rated distance.  I'd go with openlrs before that.  And whiling getting the feel just keep los and what you have will work rb...out to some undetermined distance!

pushinoldrc

My Feedback: (46)

My FPV buddy purchased some prebent antennas from HK, and they seem to work pretty good

mnemennth

brian -

I didn't expect so; but hey. Can't blame a guy for tryin'. I've gotten paid for a couple work orders from last week; now I'm just waiting for the money to show in my account. SHOULDhappen before they're all sold out. *crosses fingers, wings, tail & toes*

If you're going quad and want to carry a Hero, I suggest starting out with the classic 450V2 chassis; DON'Tget one that isn't listed as V2. The V2 has power distribution built into the bottom chassis plate in the form of PCBtraces; eliminates a WORLDof wiring Charlie-Foxtrot. I'm going to recommend the Q450 for a simple reason: it flies and sets up very much the same as the H450 you want to use, it will even fly very well with the same motors, props and ESCs you use on the 450. The difference is... well... the learning curve.

To be blunt, while you are learning, you are going to crash. Suck it up, admit it, plan for it. The difference is COST. The Q450 is CHEAP; you can rebuild CHEAP after you crash. Get some flying experience on the cheap chassis, then transfer all your hardware over to the H-470 frame once you've gotten some experience, and BEFOREyou hang a $300 camera off it.

The Q450 is a quick, easy frame to rebuild; the H470 is a specialty frame. It doesn't have power distribution and it is made up of a bunch of small parts. When you crash that, you're going to be rebuilding for a while.

I recommend getting 2 full frames for whatever you decide to build right at the start; you'll be kicking yourself for not doing so 5 minutes after your first crash.

Like this one:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...B_Version.html

or this one:

http://www.myrcmart.com/x450q-quadco...ne-p-4871.html


MYRCMART.COM ships quicker than HK, and if you catch what you're looking for on sale, you can get it cheaper. Also, they have a rep for somewhat better quality product in general. Spend some time shopping there and take notes on recommended motors, props, etc. There's a wealth of good info on the site.


If you're shopping motors at Hobbyking, be sure to read the reviews. Some of them are GREAT, but as I've said before, the sub-$20 ones are generally a crapshoot. Most of HK's cheap motors come with crap bearings that IMHO should be replaced with quality ones before you even fly once. I swear they're made of case-hardened cheese, etc.

The KK2 is a great first controller; I have one in my hand right now There is MASSIVE support on the RCGthread for this MC; also the MWC family.


http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1675613


http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1764146


. you ALSO might want to try one of witespy's "Flip" controllers, or even one of his RTF quads:

http://witespyquad.gostorego.com/fli...ontroller.html

I will tell you; if I had the money, I'd just suck it up and buy this one for myself:

http://witespyquad.gostorego.com/quads/the-flip.html


HUH? What Sure TX/RX? Am I missing something here, or are joo just jankin' my chain, mong?


The Turnigy Circular Polarized (Skew Planar Wheel) antennas are getting good feedback as far as bang for the buck; but if you want something a bit more rugged I recommend the Immersion RC ones or the genuine article BlueBeams if you want to be SUREyou get the BESTquality signal. IBCrazy makes sure every antenna is tested for SWR before they ship; also, if you shop them and your goggles from here:


http://hobbywireless.com/index.php?main_page=index


I know for a fact that they'll ship FAST.

A friend of mine from the flying club just quit his job at HobbyTown after 8 years to go to work for this guy; he's established, and if you get your order in before 14:00 CST, it goes out same day.

http://hobbywireless.com/index.php?m...bcrazy&x=0&y=0

He says he's got guys shopping him from China, cuz they know what they're getting when they order from him.

http://hobbywireless.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=2

How's THAT for a quick, helpful list, buddy?



mnem
Fuel. LiPo Fuel.

ingleburn

Wow this thread is fast becoming a quad and FPV one.Brian what have you started.

Well getting back to helis for a second and sorry for going OT.took the GT out yesterday and the Hobbymate gyro did really well.
The only thing I had to change was the tail gain as it was to low and in the last flight I went from sport to pro in the settings as it wasnt flipping fast enough.
I wish I had given it more of a chance when I first bought it because it performs really well.
I only have analogue servos on the swash ( HK939MG) and an old Turnigy DS480 on the tail. The old girl has been through a few crashes and there is a bearing or 2 that whine a bit.
Below are a few videos with some blather. Sorry about the weird angles but the battery in the cam is shot so had to plug an external battery pack in to keep it recording and the cord kept pulling the cam out of whack.
On one flight which I didnt upload the cam actually fell off mid flight and tangled in my hands.Made for an interesting landing.

Also a vid of the MCPx BL with a crash in the first 30 seconds.Never try and show off or it will bite you in the balls.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vsjAOeUeEA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-db-ibO6zLM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbIPuraxiyk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTmhrK87qI[/youtube]

mnemennth

Well, like i said... I have a KK2.0 INMYHAND... well, I was still working on my Axius CP BRUSHLESSCONVERSION when I posted that; I was waiting until I had that done before opening up ANOTHER bit of electronics on my disaster area... err, workbench. The BLupgrade, BTW, went fabulously; I LOVEthis heli, even if it is a bit on the heavy side.

Maybe I shouldn't have been QUITEso patient... see the attached photos.


Come on HK... How am I supposed to believe this thing isn't going to just fly apart while I'm flying it when you can't even manage to make sure the d@mned LCD is glued down when I get it? And I LOVEthe personal touch; that clump of lint stuck to it just SCREAMSQuality Control.


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Oh, it just gets better & better... Now that I've stuck the LCD down, it wants to play the "Pop-up" game...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOrxatWI_d4[/youtube]


I just can't help wondering if they spent ANY time at all designing this thing. Jeebus. Poor KaptainKuk, having his name associated with this half-baked piece of badunkadunk...

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mnem
That "Flip" is looking better & better all the time...

rikybob

@ Ddaddy - Yah, was thinkin' Fat Shark too!

@ Mnemeemeeth - If I knew you wanted one of them Fu-Bars at the time and was short I would have done the right thing. Oh well! Re: your thoughts on quads. I like 'em. Prolly best to buy a wad of those little plastic ones and fly/crash/repair with the waaaaaaaaaay less than 200USD platform!!! Very, very salient points that I will most likely follow! I will read and read and read and read and read some more (recall, I consider it kind of "foreplay")! Re the KK2 niiiiiiice. That was quite the QC you got there AND the added bonus of Panda hair!

@ Ingleburn - Viddy 1: Yah, lookin' like I'm headin' in the quad direction! Viddy 2: Bout time you got some sun shine!!! Unceremonious landing! Viddy 3: Good stuff! Sorry about the wag! Get a 500!!! Viddy 4: DOH!!! Yah, tough as nails! I actually have to do some surgery on the MCP X (New dog bones) and the MCP X (need to stuff pod back on the end). Great viddy and great blather!!!!

@ All - Winding down from a 10 hour day just did three rainy as hell evenings and I'm oddly pooped. Gonna see what kind of setup is recommended for the ole Q450 and see what the damage will be. Meebe and early Xmas?


Cheers!

b

hugj

My Feedback: (7)

Looks good I have the hobbymate as well never messed with the pots. I do recommend going to digital servos you will see a better more stable and faster response.I gave Brian my trex 450 with the hobbymate and align servos he loves it and flys the crap out of it makes it do things I thaught it would never do. Great flying any help I can give i'll try Hugh

rikybob

This guy has a good series on the Q450. Viddy #4 is awesome!

b

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3jeBseWkFI[/youtube]

mnemennth

brian -

Oh, it gets better. Go back and look at my edited post; I think you'll probably be facing this problem when your KK2.0 gets to you.

Thanks for the kind regards on the FUBAR; actually, I was pretty sure you would but I've been stuck at home for 2 1/2 weeks while my wife does required training for next school season and didn't know when I was going to be able to get back to work for sure.

The HK Q450 is a full size quad; it's a knock-off of the current DJI FlameWheel 450. I consider it the "450GT" of the Quad world; two of 'em are $38.54 shipped with this current buddy code:

http://hk.rc-international.info/budd...version-229650


This is a good choice for first "real" quad; but of course, they only have the "V1" in the USAwarehouse.

If you don't mind the hassle of installing one extra board, you can get the V1 and a power distribution board from the USA warehouse and save some bucks and get it quicker:

Use this buddy code for the power board:

http://hk.rc-international.info/budd...n-board-224552

And you can get 3 power boards (I always get all 3 when I buy on The Swarm; good to have a spare spare for only a couple bucks more) and 2 complete frames for $37.10 shipped via Priority Mail.

The power board has an advantage over the V2 chassis: it comes with bullet connectors for your ESCs instead of solder-on; this makes field-replacing an ESC easy, as well as isolating your ESCs for troubleshooting. I've been vacillating between these two setups myself for over a month; the convenience of the USAwarehouse vs the added cost of the power boards. Those buddy codes will make the difference for me; if I get enough of my money fast enough I'll be getting the V1 kits &Power Boards from the USA warehouse.


Another option for the V1 kit is this:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html


Oh, and here's a buddy code for the "H" frame you wanted from the USAwarehouse:

http://hk.rc-international.info/budd...e-470mm-228991


Dooya get the idea I've been shopping this for a while?


mnem
I have NOPROBLEM finding things to spend money on...