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djsqueeze 12-29-2013 09:21 PM

What should I do, buy or rebuild?
 
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I built this .60 size Stik. I left it on the floor out of the way. On the day I came home to fly it I found it in the condition shown in the pics. My dog, I think she was trying to get at a cat thru the window (stupid as it seems), apparently jumped on it. So, I am trying to decide if I should buy a new plane or try to rebuild this one. It is really my desire to rebuild and fly this one since I never got to fly it. I know it can be rebuilt, so I am looking for guidance. Any assistance or ideas on rebuiliding given will be much appreciated.


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RCKen 12-30-2013 07:51 AM

Looking at your pictures I would say that the damage was not really all that bad. I would rebuild.

Ken

bogbeagle 12-30-2013 11:02 AM

You'll get that fixed in a couple of hours.

drube 12-30-2013 12:15 PM

I would rebuild it. Doesn't look like the hinges were even glued in.

flyinwalenda 12-30-2013 12:39 PM

Well first thing that Super Stick was discontinued two years ago and you will have a hard time finding parts for it. Shame as it was one of many great flying Stiks discontinued by Horizon.
The second thing as mentioned by the others, it's not bad. The horiz stab looks like a clean break. The vertical stab may have the lower part broken off inside the horiz stab but again that's not bad. First glue the horiz stab back in place on the fuse keeping it properly aligned and level to the fuse. Then glue the vertical stab back in place right onto the broken part in the horiz stab again keeping it plumb.
Then get some triangle stock in a width that will extend up the vertical stab past the break and across the horiz stab and cut two pieces long enough span the vert stab length . You can cover the exposed pieces in ultra/mono-coat then glue the pieces in place or just glue them in and paint them white, You can also cut two additional pieces and install them below the horiz stab to the fuse. These pieces will reinforce the stabs. Then install the elevator surface with new hinges.
Done !

raptureboy 12-30-2013 12:59 PM

I would tie the cat up and let the dog get out his frustrations;) JUST KIDDING calm down every one. rebuild it I've seen worse after flying.

acerc 12-30-2013 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by raptureboy (Post 11696881)
I would tie the cat up and let the dog get out his frustrations;)

ROTFLMAO
Reminded me of going cat fishing in my youth. Probably no one here even knows what that means.

52larry52 12-30-2013 09:20 PM

No,no,no, ignore all the previous advice to rebuild this no longer available, fine flying, well liked Stick. Buy a new one (Great Planes still sells ARF Sticks), and let me have the old one!:cool:

djsqueeze 12-30-2013 11:24 PM

No, 52larry52. I am going to take everyone's advice and rebuild. Thank you guys for the advice, esp. you, flyinwalenda
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for the instructions (which is what I was also looking for). I will post more pics as I go step by step.

BIG AL HBX BONZER 12-30-2013 11:35 PM

hbx bonzer lover
 
Can someone please tell me if I can run a lipo 2s 5000mah battery without changing anything else? Because the standard battery suxks.thanks for any help

flyinwalenda 12-31-2013 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by djsqueeze (Post 11697371)
No, 52larry52. I am going to take everyone's advice and rebuild. Thank you guys for the advice, esp. you, flyinwalenda
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for the instructions (which is what I was also looking for). I will post more pics as I go step by step.

You need to make it strong but try not to go overboard with a lot of epoxy making it really tail heavy. Try and use CA where you can and epoxy the triangle stock on. I don't remember how these came out of the box (tail, nose heavy or neutral) but you can always move the battery forward to compensate or put on a bigger engine!
Oh and if there are rough spots, pot holes.divots, in the balsa after repair get a small container of lightweight spackling compound , fill in the dents and sand smooth . Then you can cover the sins with a piece of coating or paint it.

flyinwalenda 12-31-2013 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by BIG AL HBX BONZER (Post 11697373)
Can someone please tell me if I can run a lipo 2s 5000mah battery without changing anything else? Because the standard battery suxks.thanks for any help

Try posting in this forum/thread or search it: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-e...-owns-one.html

CafeenMan 12-31-2013 06:29 AM

I would rebuild. In fact, the last time I flew (a couple weeks ago), I was unloading my Stik from the car when my neighbor walked over and started talking to me. I was distracted and hit the tail hard on the car door breaking it off completely. Not a difficult fix but really annoying. I will fix it though. It's too good of a plane not to.

Granpooba 12-31-2013 09:40 AM

Definitely a REBUILD ! I have done basically the same rebuild/repair on a different model. Just be sure to use good glues " Epoxy ", and perhaps some reinforcing. :)

52larry52 12-31-2013 09:53 AM

djsqueeze, I hope you got my "tongue in cheek reply" ("Buy a new one, and let me have the old one":)). Repairing this plane should be a no brainer. If you are an ARFer only, then these kinds of repairs are a good learning experience. A little wood cutting, a little glueing, and a little covering. You'll be glad you fixed it. Enjoy

jeffEE 12-31-2013 10:26 AM

We have the technology. We can rebuild it. We can make it stronger, faster, better! I just hope it deos not cost 6 million dollars. :)

THERCAV8R 12-31-2013 10:41 AM

Not a rebuild. It is a minor repair. I have rebuilt a lot worse. should only take a couple hours. Better make sure the hinges are glued in better than they were and check all the hinges on the other surfaces as well.

oliveDrab 12-31-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by raptureboy (Post 11696881)
I would tie the cat up and let the dog get out his frustrations;) JUST KIDDING calm down every one. rebuild it I've seen worse after flying.

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WE don't think that's funny at all! :mad: lol

blvdbuzzard 12-31-2013 04:24 PM

Cat fishing, large multi hooked contraption, thrown towards a stack of garbage cans, wait for the MEOW and pull. Ahh the good ole days you could make a joke with out being tared and feathered then run out on a rail.

Rebuild it. I have done field repairs worse then that.

I was camping for 4 days. I had a 40 sized stick charging on top of my engine with the hood up. Wind picked the hood up and it fell off the little holder. Hood slammed down crushing the fuse. An hour and a half later, I was in the air. She may not have been pretty , but she flew a lot in those 4 days.


Buzz.

mustangman177 12-31-2013 05:19 PM

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...515693&thumb=1Neuter the Dog !!!

djsqueeze 12-31-2013 05:43 PM

Yes, 52larry52
, I got the joke. And for all who say it is a repair vs a rebuild, you are probably correct. I am working on it now. Taking off the glue and wood on the vert. stab 1st., then I will clean up the horiz stab and put together some triangle stock in prepping to glue the horiz stab. in the morning.

djsqueeze 12-31-2013 06:37 PM

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brockettman 12-31-2013 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by djsqueeze (Post 11696393)
I built this .60 size Stik. I left it on the floor out of the way. On the day I came home to fly it I found it in the condition shown in the pics. My dog, I think she was trying to get at a cat thru the window (stupid as it seems), apparently jumped on it. So, I am trying to decide if I should buy a new plane or try to rebuild this one. It is really my desire to rebuild and fly this one since I never got to fly it. I know it can be rebuilt, so I am looking for guidance. Any assistance or ideas on rebuiliding given will be much appreciated.


Yeeep! My vote is fix her up. Don't forget to check the center of gravity once you've added repairs to the tail...

I came home one day to find my wing rack had "collapsed" and I was thinking "what the heck!". After a little more investigation it turns out the neighbor's cat got locked in the garage and tried to escape through the window via the "wing ladder":mad: Oh well, it happens. I'm pretty sure my troubles are over for the rest of the year!:D

djsqueeze 12-31-2013 09:07 PM

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Wow! Sorry hear about your bad fortunes there,brockettman
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Hope you are able to salvage something out of it.

Used 60C grit to remove the excess glue from the vertical stab. Found it was a clean break on the elevator because the hinges were only glued on one side.
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brockettman 12-31-2013 09:20 PM

Hey thanks dj... I did have to repair three wings and a fuselage! The all lived to fly again :)

Keep up the good work on your repair, I'm sure she'll be better than new!

djsqueeze 12-31-2013 09:21 PM

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More in-depth pics of the damage. I just have to get some triangle blocks (or make some) to finish working on it.

djsqueeze 12-31-2013 09:33 PM

flyinwalenda
I am using tri-cycle landing gear so it is on the nose heavy side. It gave you options for a tail dragger or tri-cycle gear. I chose tri-cycle gear. (Don't remember why, probably had something to do with my trainers.)

I have some spare wood. I am going to try to make some extra pieces to use as braces.

djsqueeze 12-31-2013 11:38 PM

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I found some extra stock I had for making fuse boxes. I made rough outlines of the areas needing to be replaced.


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cordell staker 01-01-2014 06:46 AM

I had one of those H9 sticks many years ago and it virtually fell apart from the poor factory glue job. I would not rebuild what is broken because of the way it is broken. It's gonna fly bad. With the tail completely off I think your best bet is to rebuild the whole fuse using the broken parts as guides for the wing saddle and stab/tail locations. This is the simplest way to get a true and strong flying plane….plus you can jazz up the Hanger 9 color scheme.

mustangman177 01-01-2014 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=cordell staker;11698290]I had one of those H9 sticks many years ago and it virtually fell apart from the poor factory glue job. I would not rebuild what is broken because of the way it is broken. It's gonna fly bad. With the tail completely off I think your best bet is to rebuild the whole fuse using the broken parts as guides for the wing saddle and stab/tail locations. This is the simplest way to get a true and strong flying plane….plus you can jazz up the Hanger 9 color scheme.[/QUOTEi]

I know this is not what he wanted to hear.....but coming from a flyer who has previously owned one and experienced its characteristics, could be words to consider. Nothing worse than putting all this time and money into a re-build and just have to do it again later on. If this was a plane you built yourself and knew it was built well, the fix would be a no-brainer.

Profile Pilot 01-01-2014 09:45 AM

Good choice on re-building. I had a 30 of that model. Being dumb, flying in the back yard at my in-laws, I ripped the entire tail section off. Re-built it and you can't tell it ever happened!

OliverJacob 01-01-2014 11:10 AM

You are lucky the dog didn't use his rifle to shoot at the cat :cool:
Looks like some clean breaks, some glue can fix that

flyinwalenda 01-02-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by djsqueeze (Post 11698117)
flyinwalenda
I am using tri-cycle landing gear so it is on the nose heavy side. It gave you options for a tail dragger or tri-cycle gear. I chose tri-cycle gear. (Don't remember why, probably had something to do with my trainers.)

I have some spare wood. I am going to try to make some extra pieces to use as braces.

On the right side with the most damage, I would cut that out back to the first former/bulkhead and replace it with a new piece of balsa. If you can;t repair the other side replace it too. Cut some plates out of light-ply if you have or use some square stock to reinforce the joints of the new pieces up against the former on the inside. You will get it . Just take your time ,think about it a few times, measure twice,cut once, etc...

djsqueeze 01-02-2014 09:25 PM

Thx
flyinwalenda. I plan to cut the whole rear portion up to the bulkhead and replace it with some lite-ply. I will use square stock, same as shown in the pics, to reinforce the joints. I do plan on taking my time. This is my 1st rebuild and I want to do it right. I am in no rush. I have other planes to fly.

acdii 01-12-2014 07:10 PM

Shoot I have had crashes worse than that. Those only took a few hours to repair.

djsqueeze 01-12-2014 10:03 PM

Time is not my friend right now. It is the triple witching hour for me and I've not had time to work on this at all for the last week wks.

52larry52 01-12-2014 10:20 PM

Chill man, it's a hobby! No time schedule on this. Real life comes first. Whenever you get to it is just right.


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