New Twin Commanche ARF
Not going to do the retracts on this one as that will add to much time to the build and I know it will just sit in the unfinished pile if I go that way. Enough for now I'm back to that big box Yours Paul T
I'm keen on the Comanche.
How easily can it be made electric in terms of battery access , and has anyone flown one yet ?
How do they fly , and how fast do they land ?
Regards from sunny South Africa
I have the answer a pair of OS 55 AXs
Now I placed the moving plate on one back and on the other I placed it forward to show the difference that can be achieved. I hope that will make it a little clearer
Can anyone tell me where the batteries go on the electric conversion? I have read the PDF Manuel a few times now and it shows nothing about battery placement except for the receiver battery. I’m guessing that they would go up by the motor and ESC but I don’t see how. thanks
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Can anyone tell me where the batteries go on the electric conversion? I have read the PDF Manuel a few times now and it shows nothing about battery placement except for the receiver battery. I’m guessing that they would go up by the motor and ESC but I don’t see how.
Anyway I spend almost 2 hours on the phone today with Horizon Hobbies product support: they also agreed that there are numerous problems with this kit & manual. Problems go like this:
1. No instructions where the Lipo battiers go or how they are mounted/installed in the fuselage.
2. No instructions/Directions that you need to add 12-18 inches of battery leads for the ESC’s to the batteries if the batteries are mounted in the fuselage.
3. This one is REAL BS! Kit does NOT come with wheel wells tubs for the retracts in the wings, and also does not come with front nose gear doors or linkage. According to Horizon Hobbies you have to purchase Seagulls mechanical retract set to get the wheel tubs and nose gear doors, so if you purchased E-Flite electrics like I did you are SOL. They also don’t know how to order it apparently there’s no part number for it
Last thing that was said by Horizon was that this kit should NOT have been put out yet, and he said they he would get with a Seagull Rep and find out they had to say about it, and he said he will call me back, we will see….VERY sorry I purchased this kit!
BTW: I just called Castle ESC they said by extending the battier leads 12-18 inches would quite likely damage or destroy an ESC because of the “Ripple affect” caused by going to WOT, they said for sure you would need to add a capacitor pack to stop any “Ripple affect”
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Can anyone tell me where the batteries go on the electric conversion? I have read the PDF Manuel a few times now and it shows nothing about battery placement except for the receiver battery. I’m guessing that they would go up by the motor and ESC but I don’t see how.
Anyway I spend almost 2 hours on the phone today with Horizon Hobbies product support: they also agreed that there are numerous problems with this kit & manual. Problems go like this:
1. No instructions where the Lipo battiers go or how they are mounted/installed in the fuselage.
2. No instructions/Directions that you need to add 12-18 inches of battery leads for the ESC’s to the batteries if the batteries are mounted in the fuselage.
3. This one is REAL BS! Kit does NOT come with wheel wells tubs for the retracts in the wings, and also does not come with front nose gear doors or linkage. According to Horizon Hobbies you have to purchase Seagulls mechanical retract set to get the wheel tubs and nose gear doors, so if you purchased E-Flite electrics like I did you are SOL. They also don’t know how to order it apparently there’s no part number for it
Last thing that was said by Horizon was that this kit should NOT have been put out yet, and he said they he would get with a Seagull Rep and find out they had to say about it, and he said he will call me back, we will see….VERY sorry I purchased this kit!
BTW: I just called Castle ESC they said by extending the battier leads 12-18 inches would quite likely damage or destroy an ESC because of the “Ripple affect†caused by going to WOT, they said for sure you would need to add a capacitor pack to stop any “Ripple affectâ€
I never put a lot of stock in the instructions that are created overseas in Asia. When the model is an actual Horizon model, the instructions are typically pretty decent and well thought out, being written over here.....
I glanced at the instructions on line (am interested in this kit)
Anything I do not like in an ARF I typically redo the way I think it should be done, anyway.
Having converted several large twin engine ARFs to electric, I think the very best way to go is to put the lipos in the nacelle where the fuel tanks would normally go. This avoids the long battery leads issue and any need for additional capacitors. You will have to neatly cut out a large acess hatch on top of the nacelle, of course and likely remove the top of the ply frame in the middle of the tank compartment. I have a very, very thin diamond coated steel cutoff wheel that cuts paper thin lines in fiberglass and plastic parts and is about the best way to get a neat result when cutting in a hatch.
Having the lipos in the nacelle would make it really easy to install and remove them while the model is sitting on the ground, upright. Once in a while, a model will need a little extra nose weight going this route, since the lipos are only slightly ahead of the CG when they are in the nacelle. (My TF B-25 ARF needed about 7 oz in the nose with 5S 5000 lipos in the nacelles, which is no big thing on a 21lb model.)
I agree that making you buy their retracts to get their doors and their retract wells and other special bits that are required for ANY retract installation is misguided. I would keep the pressure on HH to work this out, but remember, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.... It would be in HH's best interest to get those special parts from Seagull and make them available as a package, so they could sell their electric retracts for this model.
Having said that, it would not be all that hard to create the doors and retract wells yourself. I judge the wells would take about an evening or two to create out of thin balsa and/or 1/64 ply and get installed. Ditto on the nose gear doors.
This model is still on my "probably will buy" list and the issues you mention do not scare me off, at all.
Let's not forget that ARFs are built to a price point as well as to any quality standard and if we insist on perfect ARFS, we would need to be ready to pay several times the cost of this one, at the very least.
I like your idea of putting them in the nacelles looks to be plenty of room to make a nice battery tray. I guess I’m just not confident in my abilities to make a nice clean cut and once you start it there’s no backing out and starting over if you make a mistake .
IF I hear back from Horizon Hobbies I will post what they say these about issues, it’s been day 1 and no response back yet, I will give them a few more days before I call them back.
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Ok, after 128 minutes of being on hold with HH, they said they just got a response back from SeaGull and literarily this is what they forwarded to me from SeaGull…
· “The wheel wells and gear doors are being set up, will be available in the near future”
· “Battery goes in the fuselage”
“Wheel wells and gear door are being setup” What the #^%$ does that mean! Guess it means I have to buy there retracts also to get 15 cents of stamped plastic.
“Battery goes in the fuselage” NO S@#T!! a photo or picture would be really nice, do I have to make my own battery tray? what about the Battery leads i really have to add 12-18 inches of Battery leads to the ESC's? those Castle 75's are $100 each!
It took me a long time to save up this much $$$ I have almost a $1000 into it I just expected much better. I have Never seen an ARF that had the retract options NOT come with wheel wells/tubs that you cut out if you needed them or discard them if you went with fixed gears. Im not happy
Thanx for the info in regards to the twin.....I have built 3 of thier models (Seagull)..they are "Pilatus PC-6 Porter, Dewoitine D.520, and a Super Tucano....The last two came with retracts and wheel well liners (Plastic)..no problem installing them....I intend to use glow engines in mine (Twin)....As for future Seagull kits,I believe I'll pass...The piper twin comanche really sucks....At the present time,can't say too many good things about the kit......I think that 'Seagull' better get there S@*^& together or they'll bite the dust................Nuff said
If they must go in the fuse, it is not a big deal to make a battery tray in the correct location to get a good CG with the batteries in place. Worst issue will be battery access in the fuse.
Seagull still thinks like a glow/gas model company for the most part and few if any of their models have well thought out instructions for electric conversions (At least the few Seagull models I have bought and converted, the Mew Gull and the Sparrowhawk among them)
I' m assembling a Comanche at this moment ...
Will be powered by a couple of OS FS A56 ( a couple of 2 Stroke 46 AX being overkill here ...)
for the retracts, I used an E-flite EFLG 430 main gear with the 411105 nose gear ( 105° aperture ...)
It has been easy to adapt the suspended genuine legs to those mechanisms ... and make aluminium honests torsion links
Alain
Thanx for the info....I have a set of e-flite retracts and will try to see if I can make them fit the landing gear that came with the kit.....Do keeps us posted on your progress.....also enclose some pics,if possible....thanx again
This movie I found. It's an electric version and retracts are working properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFZMVskcUo
To ask a Horizon about LiPo position it's just wasting time, the staff has no even general knowledge at all. Just try to ask them - what is the difference between Oracover and Ultracote